You keep saying that, but if he started it and it worked in the old form, why was the new form needed? Was a total undoing of Trent, which stressed that certain parts of the Mass were to be silent, necessary for this “participation”?
Because every man is mortal. St Pius X died long before finishing the reform.
Can someone tell me, please, how any of that is related to the question posed in the OP?
Try the search page for any keywords you might remember. I tried “ad orientem silent” or “silently” and it didn’t return any recent matches.
It’s not. Any thread started to discuss the TLM is going to be derailed. The thread in question, per the OP, quite possibly was removed because someone made sure it was.
I am sorry, but this 'ad orientem is titillating my brain.
I hope you’ll excuse me … You’re dealing with someone with virtually no sense of direction and perhaps a rather unique electromagnetic field. A compass once pointed South when I held one and faced North with everyone else holding a compass. I had to get rid of my car compass because no matter which direction I was going, the compass wanted to point South West. And I actually was once given the steering wheel on a yacht and told to follow the compass … thing is, my presence at the wheel affected where the compass was pointing so we ended up off course … which led to our yacht rescuing a stranded rowboat out on Lake Ontario. So I can kind of relate to Captain Jack Sparrow.
Exactly. And it has nothing to do with the English definition of East, either. Another case of mistranslated theology, apparently.
Ideally, it is geographical east, and at one time, nearly all churches, East, West, and Orient, were so positioned. As time passed, however, it became more difficult to do that, what with zoning laws, property locations, etc., so it’s often not possible to construct a church that way. But whether a church is built to face geographical east or not is immaterial. Celebrating Mass ad orientem refers mainly to “Liturgical East” where, just as you’ve pointed out, the celebrant leads the congregation in prayer, and all face the same direction. The focus is the altar and the Cross (not, as some mistakenly believe, the tabernacle). Some also mistakenly think that ad orientem celebration is restricted to the Usus Antiquior. It’s not. While it’s rarely done, the Novus Ordo can be done that way too. Anyway, as I see it, the universal restoration of ad orientem celebration is the single most important step in fostering a “reform of the reform”.
There is nothing wrong with the concept that in the Mass the priest leading the people toward God.
Bunk. There is theology behind ad orientem, whether you wish to believe it or not. This is very ancient and is held in the East and Orient as well as in the West. I’m not about to rehash it now, but it has been repeated over and over in these fora. In any case, one thing I will remark on is that the concept is NOT recent and most assuredly it was NOT taken from the practices of the false religion mentioned. That’s nothing but hogwash. And insulting hogwash at that.
Yes, that’s part of it.
Would you so kind to point me to your sources, more that forum talks?Bunk. There is theology behind ad orientem, whether you wish to believe it or not. This is very ancient and is held in the East and Orient as well as in the West. I’m not about to rehash it now, but it has been repeated over and over in these fora. In any case, one thing I will remark on is that the concept is NOT recent and most assuredly it was NOT taken from the practices of the false religion mentioned. That’s nothing but hogwash. And insulting hogwash at that.
No.
No.
Oh please, give me a break.