Something Bad That Jesus Did?

[AmbroseSJ]

Valmabar, much of what you write, I can agree with. Like this:

We desagree on the detail. Since the Material World were born God Left in it His Light. Which don’t need to be a visible or measurable one. The Light of God Is in the air (even on the figure of language that I used here). It is for all of us to hear. But mostly all of us don’t know how to be quiet enough for to capture It so well. Some of the sensitive are more capable of to do it. Usually we call them Prophets, even the ones that make bad use of his prophecies.

or this:

My disagreement is in the perception that, You can consult the Bible for foretell or interpret the future that came long ago after the writing of the Bible.

Catholics DO believe that God gave ALL of mankind a sort of light of his presence, and his law. That all men, that are sensitive to the quiet whisper can hear God we believe too.

But where we disagree is that God did something very much more for the chosen people. He gave them very special knowledge, (Revelation) that even though they were still living in a brutish time of history could understand. Moses talked directly to God (no other prophet did so.) God told Moses that the Hebrews would be HIS special people, His close family, and HE would be their God, and no other.

So the Hebrews, The Israelites, and later the Jews, became familiar with God, through the prophets and later the anointed Kings and High Priests. They expected God to be a part of their history, and He was! Surely we can agree on this much?

But in those days, I don’t think anyone used prophecies as an excuse to do bad or wicked things (like today is done much.) I think only the high priests and scribes were educated enough to even have knowledge of such things, and what their significance might be.

But another problem area between us might be the difficulty you see in God truly leaving future prophecies and man’s free will. But free will is always maintained I believe.

You also see difficulties with contradictions in the Scriptures, but they are not contradictions if you have the KEY to their interpretation.

Many think the Bible is God’s instruction manual. But OH NO, Heaven forbid! God always gives us flesh and blood, real people to give us guidance. Always this was, since Adam and Eve. God never requires anyone to know how to read to be able to know Him and His will. He must only have Faith (like Abraham) and be Obedient (like Isaac) to please God and be with Him some day in heaven.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Yes, of course I know that. The Hebrews were the first to receive the knowledge of our One God.

My goal in asking the ridiculous, is to point out that even though the early Church was called:
a) The Way
b) Christian
c) Catholic
doesn’t mean that it was more than one Church.
Thus, all names of how the early Christians perceived the only Church and Her followers.

NotWorthy, I thought we had dealt enough with each other on this terminology about “The New Way,” which was a title granted to the Sect of the Nazarenes and not to the Church of Paul or Christianity.

Okay, let’s go down a little into the details. Acts 9:1,2 does not make sense to me but it’s good for you. It says in there that Paul went to the High Priest for letters to arrest in the synagogues of Damascus all those who were living according to the New Way. Mind you, the term is synagogue and not church.

Halfway, on the Road to Damascus he had that sudden change of mind as to come to the conclusion that it was of no use to physically persecute the disciples because the more he did that, the more they would grow. He decided to join. The reason by then, only he and God knew. We would know later.

He procceeded to Damascus and Arabia where he stayed for three years before he decided that the time had come to go up to Jerusalem and try to join the Sect of the Nazarenes.
(Galatians 1:17,18)

When he tried to join, it turned out that the disciples were afraid of him and refused to believe that he could be a disciple. (Acts 9:26) Why? Because of his history of persecutions in Damascus of all those who were living according to the New Way. (Acts 9:2)

Why would the disciples in Jerusalem be afraid of Paul for persecuting those who lived according to the New Way? Obviously, because the New Way and the Sect of the Nazarenes were one and the same.

What came out of Paul were Christians, about another three or five years later in Antioch, and they had nothing to do with the New Way. These Christians, of course, Paul never persecuted, because one does not found a church to persecute the adepts. I hope we are on the clear now.(Acts 11:26)

Ben:

 

[Valmabar]

May God Put us in the Same Place although we believe different.

To Brother Ambrose.

For we discuss the entire Bible you need to know what I know step by step. You have faith on that, God thought directly to Moses. I not. Why? Just one reason. The law attributed to Moses legalized slavery. It contradicts the Will of God.

About your mention of Matthew 17: 24-27. It mention appear to describe Jesus forseen a become happening. Suppose though it is true. Now look at Mark 5: 25 and Luke 8: 43 not only the edition made by Matthew 9:20.

Why should Jesus ask, “Who touched my clothes?” I don’t believe that he was just playing around. I already endorsed the contradiction pointed out by Ben Masada, about the woman that was called by the name dog by Jesus. Your eyes of faith can not see contradiction because you are willing to believe. I don’t condemn you and none of the others because if you believe is very difficult to deny.

Also, because of the teachings by Paul at 1 Corinthians 9:19-24 I put all miracles discribed on the Bible in a reserve department. I would not say, It never happening. I would say, Maybe yes but it also can be just a tactics of conversion.

I saw miracles on myself. I even saw a testmony of someone that said to be totally not believer, until his got his miracle. The medics said to him that he was about do die. And others outside the Catholic Church asked for try a miracle. He accept because he thought, I have nothing more to loose, and he was cured. In Mark 6:5 is written: “And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.”

See the contradiction? If God had depend on us for To Be Real, problably He was not. God does not depend on us to believe in Him for do His Works. We don’t need to believe in Him for to get the Better of His Works.

I am out of time now. The only thing that I can put on doubt is that, what Jesus taught, better saying, what were attributed to him, my knowledge can not doubt. Like I don’t doubt some of the teachings in the OT. I don’t doubt teachings which came from aknowledgeble minds outside of the Bible. What I say is that, you have to try, by practicing or testing by “laboratorial” ways before you believe. (I put this phrase because, I don’t need to fall from the sky for know that I will be death).

I love Jesus. And know that, he loves me back.

May God Put His Love on us all.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

All I can say in reply is that the meaning of the Bible is veiled, and is a stumbling block to anyone who is puffed up with scientific knowledge, and lacks Faith and humility. It will only be nonsense and contradictions to such persons. Why do they even bother with it? If I thought that a book, supposed to be about God, was only a little bit right, but mostly wrong, I would never look at it or waste my time with it.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Posted by Ben Masada,

I don’t know if you know but Amarna were the chosen capital for
Akenothan’s religion. He is the father of king Tut. And he were the first to create a cult worshipping one god, which were represented by the Sundisc. How you deny though that, Hebrew faith came from the Gentile beliefs?

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Ben Masada:

Only the Hebrew could be able to worship an invisible and incorporeal God. Such a Monotheism was never known before the Hebrews and for many and many years into the future.

Better check your Scriptures again. The priest and king of Salem Melchisedech was entertained by Abraham, who paid him Tithes as a royal priest of the one true God.

Genesis 14:18

18 But Melchisedech, the king of Salem, bringing forth bread and wine, for he was the priest of the most high God, 19 Blessed him, and said: Blessed be Abram by the most high God, who created heaven and earth. 20 And blessed be the most high God, by whose protection, the enemies are in thy hands. And he gave him the tithes of all.

 

[promethius]

Yesterday I was asked if I could think of anything bad that Jesus could have ever done. I thought for a while and the following came to my mind:

Yes, there is indeed something Jesus did, which I wish he had not done, because it does not represent well the People he belonged to.

Once a Gentile Canaanite mother was crying after him, asking for her daughter to be cured, and Jesus would not give a damn to her. His disciples told him to do something for that woman or discard her, because she was making them go crazy with her non-stop crying.

What did Jesus say? I haven’t come for Gentiles but ONLY for the House of Israel. Then, kept on going and the woman kept on crying and following them.

When he couldn’t take it any longer, he stopped and told her something like this: Hey, listen, what do you want from me? To cure my daughter Master. No way, I cannot take of the food of the children and throw it unto the dogs.

He meant the Jews for the children, and the Gentiles for the dogs. But only after the woman understood and recognized her condition of dog, by saying that the dogs also feed from the crumbles that fall from the table of the children, Jesus saw that he would never get rid of that woman. So, he changed his mind and cured her daughter. Then, to erase a little the impression left on her for being forced to recognize her doggy condition, he mentioned something about her strong faith and left.

That was terrible, if we can imagine what that poor woman went through till she got what she wanted. The text is in Matthew 15:21-28.

Ben:

This thread is ridiculous. The canaanites were an enemy tribe of israel. They were directed to live in the land of Ham, but instead continued to reside in what was set aside for shem. Further, they were idolators who believed in sexual immorality of all kinds despite the fact that they had been called to repentence. In fact, the Canaanites had been so revolting to God that the direction for their expulsion included that not one should be left alive.

This is the equivalent of Osama Bin Laden asking to be put on US welfare and foodstamps… it’s almost an insult that she, an enemy of God, would come and try to distract Him from loyal and Godly people who had not done everything they could to offend God. It is her humility and faith which changed Christ’s mind, and only at that because God is exceedingly merciful if we recognize our sins and repent.

Her calling herself a dog is significant. It represents one of the few times in the bible that the Canaanites showed anything but contempt for God.

 

[Ben_Masada]

This thread is ridiculous. The canaanites were an enemy tribe of israel. They were directed to live in the land of Ham, but instead continued to reside in what was set aside for shem. Further, they were idolators who believed in sexual immorality of all kinds despite the fact that they had been called to repentence. In fact, the Canaanites had been so revolting to God that the direction for their expulsion included that not one should be left alive.

This is the equivalent of Osama Bin Laden asking to be put on US welfare and foodstamps… it’s almost an insult that she, an enemy of God, would come and try to distract Him from loyal and Godly people who had not done everything they could to offend God. It is her humility and faith which changed Christ’s mind, and only at that because God is exceedingly merciful if we recognize our sins and repent.

Her calling herself a dog is significant. It represents one of the few times in the bible that the Canaanites showed anything but contempt for God.

I really did not understand this post. The whole post has nothing to do with the first sentence. “This thread is ridicuous.” And the rest was completely the opposite of that sentence.

Ben:

 

[Valmabar]

Valmabar;4868192:

Posted by Ben Masada,

Valmabar, I am aware of that part of Egyptian History involving Archenaten. He was a Pharaoh who did a lot to bring Monotheism to Egypt but he didn’t succeed because it was too immature for his time, and if he had succeeded, it would have been a far-cry to the Hebrew Monotheism.

In fact, he had been inspired by the Hebrew Monotheism, which was in existence already for about 200 years before Archenaten, for it started with Abraham. And why Archenaten’s Monotheism was a far-cry from the Hebrew Monotheism? Because Archenaten could never be able to conceive the idea of an invisible and incorporeal God. His god was Aton, the Sun in the sky.

So yes, he went for Monotheism but his god was visible. The one and only Sun in the sky. Only the Hebrew could be able to worship an invisible and incorporeal God. Such a Monotheism was never known before the Hebrews and for many and many years into the future.

Therefore, please, don’t say that we have copied our Mornotheism
from Archenaten because that’s a farfetched statement, which will never hold even a drop of the truth. The opposite is true, that Archenaten tried to copy his Monotheism from us and did not succeed. When he died the priests of Amon were back from one material god to their usual pantheon of many material gods.

Ben:

May God Reign over us.

I am sorry Ben but what you said is almost true. Akenothon is not my mentor but he is really the first who atempt to put in practice an organized monotheist religion in human History. The fact that he failled does not not mean he didn’t. At these point I can’t give you prove that the Egyptians already knew an invisible god but the Sundisc was not their god, it was the representation of it.

What I can say to you is that, the Archeology does not support the idea that had any monotheist people before, during or later Akenathon untill the twenty and seven centuries Ago. Even the Hebrew had more than one god and Yahweh were part of the Pantheon.

The Archeology even does not support the idea of Exodus. What it does support is a people from Cannaan evolving to Hebrew long after the Biblical suppose dates. For example, that discipline found that were a fall of the Jericho walls. It 800 to 1000 years before Joshua ever lived.

We both know the about the interventions made by Josiah and the Priest. As you doubt the Counsel of Nicea I also can say that they made some alterations in the Torah. It does not mean that, they did something for bad but the simple alteration is a problem for the credibility of the Scripture as a whole.

It is why I prefer to look in what we have in hands now. Not for accept in a blinded faith. But for test what is or not true before God. In my understanding, the fact that is an article that ligalizes slavery in the Torah is prove enough for to doubt in good faith that God ever told man what to write in the Bible.

God Still The Only Answer.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;4873199:

May God Reign over us.

At these point I can’t give you prove that the Egyptians already knew an invisible god but the Sundisc was not their god, it was the representation of it.

That’s absolutely not the same as the Hebrew Monotheism. Archenaten’s Monotheism needed a material representation of their god. There was no such a thing for the Hebrew and neither there is for the Jews. For Catholics yes, who need a image or statue to represent their God.

Even the Hebrew had more than one god and Yahweh were part of the Pantheon.

How about a Biblical quotation that the Hebrews had more than one God for Yahweh to be but one of the Pantheon? I would love to read it.

The Archeology even does not support the idea of Exodus. What it does support is a people from Cannaan evolving to Hebrew long after the Biblical suppose dates.

Archeology is never finished. Therefore, Archeology can never be the final word of proof.

We both know the about the interventions made by Josiah and the Priest. As you doubt the Counsel of Nicea I also can say that they made some alterations in the Torah. It does not mean that, they did something for bad but the simple alteration is a problem for the credibility of the Scripture as a whole.

That alterations were made in the Torah years later by writers! My dear friend, you can say that again. And I’ll help you with a name: EZRA. He was the one who made a lot of changes; and in fact, wrote most of the Tanach. To me it doesn’t matter as long as they were Jews writing according to Judaism. My problem with the NT is to have Gentiles writing non-Jewish stuff and trying to temper with Judaism by inserting Hellenistic Mythology as if the Land of Israel was in Greece./COLOR]

It is the fact that is an article that ligalizes slavery in the Torah is prove enough for to doubt in good faith that God ever told man what to write in the Bible.

God never had anything to do with slavery in the Torah. The Torah was God’s inspired but the words were written by men. Then, you cannot compare regular slavery with slavery in the Torah. The implications to keep slaves in ancient Israel were so adverse that one was better off not to keep a slave.

Ben:

 

[AmbroseSJ]

My problem with the NT is to have Gentiles writing non-Jewish stuff and trying to temper with Judaism by inserting Hellenistic Mythology as if the Land of Israel was in Greece.

 

[Valmabar]

May God Send us His Inspiration

To Ben Masada.
When I read your posts I got the filling that we are talking almost the same thing using different words. Since you know the representation is not God but just a representation, it is not a sin. You think Jewish faith need not a representation of God but you are wrong at this point. You don’t need a image for to do a representation. The writing is enough. And you take books as God Himself. Or you think that, When you are reading the Bible you are not imagining God? You have a wishful thinking but, unfortunately for you, a wrong thinking.

As I said I don’t want talk about Archeology because it is other department. Let me talk about Bible that you need to know what is wrong in there and what is right. Let look at the book 2 Chonicles 33: 9, " So Manasseh made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to err, and to do worse than the heathen, whom the Lord had destroyed before the Children of Israel." Take a look at the 2 Kings 21, 9 which is almost the same.

Now use your brain. If God had put a decree of genocide against the others sinners, should He do not the same to the worser sinners? Don’t give me the classic excuse of the Love of God. He Does Love Israel and Does Love all of His children, does not matter from which nation they are. You have to think about Justice.

When the writers of the Bible said that, God did a Covenant with Israel it is a false claim. Why? Because He Knew that, the Israellites were about to sin in a worse manner that the Cannanites did. The writers of the Biblical text, maybe without malevolence, just accused God to be unjust.

There are not such think as “Chosen People”, “Chosen Land”, “Chosen Jerusalem” or chosen anything else by God. The point is not on who or what God Choose. The point is only on, Who choose God.

The People of Israel did not choose God. It is clear in all that are written in the Bible. The people had some leaders that had the preference for some of the Powers of God, and they tried to make mandatory their preferences. It is the law. You is obligated to swallow it or die. Was not it that you see in all the Torah? You probably see it not, If yes you would have a different opinion about God.

So, God Does Love Israel? Yes. But He Loves everyone else of His Children In A Same Way. God Does Not Respect anyone. (I don’t know if the last phrase does translate what I mean, what I mean is that, God Don’t Behave differently before anyone of us.)

The Choose were not made by God. Hebrew choose themselves for to be the people of God; choose the land for to be the Land of God; choose Jerusalem for be the city of God, and choose the temple for be the temple of God. And on all those things they failled.

When I want to have a talk with God, I do not choose place. I ask and He chooses the time and the place for Answer me. Most of the time is not in the Church, better is an open place or in the basement of the house were I live. God Is Invisible, You said it. Why His temple, His land, His capital, His people have to be visible for you? Don’t talk about the Invisible God because What Is Invisible for you can Be Visible for me. Why do you think when the Prophets came out with something that the writers said was the Word of God, almost all the time were out of the temple? If the temple were really the place for The Name of God, should be or not be there to hear His Words?

The Bible is clear on it. The authors of the Bible said that, Moses promises a visible land, a visible capital, a visible temple and the Jews from our days still looking for it. They were not looking for to serve God then or even now. They were looking for visible things that are destructibles as Jesus said.

No my brother, where you see obedience, I see the opposite. He said, “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;”…and what you are done? He said, “Thou shalt not kill.” And what the writer said to the people to do just after? He said, “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house,…” And what the Biblical writer said they did?

What I see is that, communicated to me by God Himself, I WOULD SET THEM TO BE THE PRIESTS OF MYSELF BUT THEY ARE MORE COMMITTED TO THE VISIBLES THINGS THAN HEAR ME.

My brother Ben, your are almost in the right way. The Torah and all the Bible Scriptures is fruit of mankind’s hand. We need it because we are human beings and limited. Is good to us to have such piece of work but it is only paper and ink, not God Himself. We are human with brains which wrote it and need to get the good sense for to choose what to follow and what follow not. All religions with the basis on the Bible choose some parts as wrong. But they still saying, It is the Word of God. If is the Word of God and not an human attempt for get things right, why don’t follow it on its integrity? I would not be false to myself.

May God Put His Righteousness on us.

 

[Valmabar]

May God Protect us from our sins.

Posted by Ben Masada,
God never had anything to do with slavery in the Torah. The Torah was God’s inspired but the words were written by men. Then, you cannot compare regular slavery with slavery in the Torah. The implications to keep slaves in ancient Israel were so adverse that one was better off not to keep a slave.

Slavery is slavery. And the people of Israel committed such sin. The Torah specifies a less not human slavery when the Israllites were leading with another Israellite. The slavery of another people were accepted and regulated by the decree on the Torah. You right, it is not the God’s Will. So freed yourself from to accept it.

May God be our Liberator.

 

[Ben_Masada]

May God Protect us from our sins.

Posted by Ben Masada,
God never had anything to do with slavery in the Torah. The Torah was God’s inspired but the words were written by men. Then, you cannot compare regular slavery with slavery in the Torah. The implications to keep slaves in ancient Israel were so adverse that one was better off not to keep a slave.

Slavery is slavery. And the people of Israel committed such sin. The Torah specifies a less not human slavery when the Israllites were leading with another Israellite. The slavery of another people were accepted and regulated by the decree on the Torah. You right, it is not the God’s Will. So freed yourself from to accept it.

May God be our Liberator.

Very good! If our Tanach was wrong about slavery
why do you keep connecting your NT to our Bible? If you guys never tempered with Judaism, we were not having this conversation. So, stick to your NT and I’ll stick to my imperfect Tanach, now that you found out slavery.

Ben:

 

[simplynoone]

The canaanites were an enemy tribe of israel.

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They were directed to live in the land of Ham, but instead continued to reside in what was set aside for shem.

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Further, they were idolators who believed in sexual immorality of all kinds despite the fact that they had been called to repentence.

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In fact, the Canaanites had been so revolting to God that the direction for their expulsion included that not one should be left alive.

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Congratulations! You just identified the RCC! Job well done!

 

[Esquire0130]

Re Opening Post…

There is actually surprising evidence that Jesus told a casual lie. See John 7:8-10. He said that He wouldn’t go, then He did go. The text seems to suggest that He lied so that the Apostles would believe His words were truth, and so tell everyone, contrary to fact, that He wasn’t coming to the feast.

The explanation for your example is that Jesus sometimes engages in what appears to be bad behavior to teach.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Re Opening Post…

There is actually surprising evidence that Jesus told a casual lie. See John 7:8-10. He said that He wouldn’t go, then He did go. The text seems to suggest that He lied so that the Apostles would believe His words were truth, and so tell everyone, contrary to fact, that He wasn’t coming to the feast.

The explanation for your example is that Jesus sometimes engages in what appears to be bad behavior to teach.

Here’s the passage:

6 Then Jesus said to them: My time is not yet come; but your time is always ready. 7 The world cannot hate you: but me it hateth, because I give testimony of it, that the works thereof are evil, 8 Go you up to this festival day: but I go not up to this festival day, because my time is not accomplished. 9 When he had said these things, he himself stayed in Galilee. 10 But after his brethren were gone up, then he also went up to the feast, not openly, but, as it were, in secret. 11 The Jews therefore sought him on the festival day and said: Where is he? 12 And there was much murmuring among the multitude concerning him. For some said: He is a good man. And others said: No, but he seduceth the people. 13 Yet no man spoke openly of him, for fear of the Jews.

From this passage you can see that Jesus DID STAY in Galilee for some time. He did eventually go up into Judea, but later, and unbeknown to the brethren. If you read the text carefully, it was the brethren that wanted Jesus to go up openly into Judea, even though it would be fatal to Jesus to do so at that time. The brethren, the Gospel also says, did not believe in Him and basically wanted to see what would happen. So it was the brethren that were doing something bad. Jesus, not wanting to detain them with the hope of seeing some sort of showdown, and also not wanting to prevent them from obeying the law, told them he “goes not up to this festival day.” (but perhaps a later day of that feast.) That may seem to be dissembling, but it was not his intention to then go up, just as He said. He would not be able to say honestly to them what his real intentions were, as they would have made sure they could precipitate the showdown they so eagerly sought. He did honestly answer them in full when he said His time had not yet come. That was actually the answer to their question, not whether he would go up later or not.

In any event, Jesus did not lie. He may have withheld details of his full future itinerary from those who would have facilitated his death by being evasive. Many times the Jews and others were impertinent and even insolent with Jesus, because he was so approachable, and so honest. There were therefore many situations in the Gospels, beside this one where Jesus had to answer carefully with measured words and sometimes evasively. The answer to the canaanite woman is another example.

 

[Valmabar]

Very good! If our Tanach was wrong about slavery
why do you keep connecting your NT to our Bible? If you guys never tempered with Judaism, we were not having this conversation. So, stick to your NT and I’ll stick to my imperfect Tanach, now that you found out slavery.

Ben:

May we be susceptible to The Love of God.

Don’t be mad on what I said Ben. As I said, I am not here for blindely to defend the NT or the OT. Both have something bad and both have something good. The NT also is failled on not condemn the slavery. Paul just said that, Before God all peoples and social class are the same. In the letter to Philemon he asks forgiveness on behalf of Onesimus but fail on to be clear on that, If before God we are the same, before man should be not different.

Is impossible to disconnect the NT from the OT because they are like father and son. Why everyone have the right of read and study the Bible? Is because the authors of those books said they were talking about God. God is not Father for some and stepfather for others. He Is The Father of all. So, everyone have the right of to know what is been said about Our Father. If anyone accuses Him of do anything wrong, is our duty to try to explain how impossible it is.

I don’t know if you interpreted what I said in some wrong way. But the fact is that, The Hebrew chosen themselves as people of God were an act of selfishness. To condemn the others Cannahanites were an egoistic act.

Even so, for to prove they were wrong on it, God Allowed them to spare a remnant from the Cannahanites. And also from the others tribes. Look at the Book of Numbers 31: 15-18. What you see as a sin of man is an Work of God. If were God on control and not men, and He were like is written in the Torah, He would not let it pass without extermination of the Israellites.

The order of extermination were a human commandment. The Spare Is An Work of God. If you are a genetical Jew and not a converted one, for sure, when you go take the next look at yourself on the mirror, take a profoundly look at your face. You will see that, you are descendant of the peoples that, once the writers of the Torah was willing to be exterminated.

I am a descendant of Hebrews and I am happy to have a connection with all the peoples on Earth. Why? Because I can look at my face and see that, Although they behaved bad before, always is a hopping for conversion. Not a conversion to another religion but a conversion to The Will of God.

God spared all those that were in terrible sin. Even the Israllites never knowing God, is posted that, Ezekiel wrote, 33:11 “Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?”

Each one of us should convert to the Will of God. (No to the Catholicism, to the Judaism, to the Islamism or any other ism. If we want to be Catholic, Ok; Jew, Ok; Muslim, Ok. What is not Ok is to be wicked, and to condemn the others because their sins.)

God Loves all of us not because we are from a religion, or from a nation, or are descendant of anybody. God Loves us because He Is Father for each one of us. The Salvation come not from Jew as you learn on our Scriptures. Since the Beginning God Is our Salvation. Before any Muslim, Christian, Jew or Gentile were born, The Salvation Were Provided.

May God Separate us from our wickedness.

 

[Esquire0130]

Hi, AmbroseSJ.

You said, “From this passage you can see that Jesus DID STAY in Galilee for some time. He did eventually go up into Judea, but later.”

Nah. I don’t buy it. You’re interpolating into the text meaning that isn’t there.

Jesus tells a casual lie, here.

I am not suggesting that Jesus was being evil. I do believe that sometimes lying is not only morally justified, but also morally required.

 

[simplynoone]

But the fact is that, The Hebrew chosen themselves as people of God were an act of selfishness. To condemn the others Cannahanites were an egoistic act.

I do hope that I am forgiven for posting to something that was in reply to someone else, but this statement really does not set well with me. I have heard this a lot and actually fell for this same lie. What changed my mind on it was God.

If the Jewish had written the Tanakh with the agenda of self promotion, why is it that all their “wrongs,” their chastisements from God, everything… is exposed before the world within the pages of their Scriptures that are widely published and distributed throughout the world… REALLY think about this… it is quite brilliant really.

Most do not really consider this very telling tidbit. He did not cast them away to cater to the whims of those who spoil that which is beautiful. It only appears that way to those who are not bothering to read the actual Word of God. He speaks of this in one of the prophecy books that the churches love to manipulate.

The epiphany for me that the Jewish did not selfishly and falsely claim rights to God, the Scriptures, and/or the Holy Land, but instead that God chose to make them His, is this… I know that when a Government of any nation (and other religions of course) wants to seek power and control, the LAST thing they do is expose their sins before the world. They work behind closed doors making deals and selling their people out. They cater to other people rather than their own if it benefits their agenda. They keep their evil deeds under the cover of darkness as much as they can.

That is NOT how God works. He exposed Israel sins before the world… and before you go judging them for it (as though you would have that right) and/or telling them they are trying to claim what has been given to them under false pretenses, realize this… God had a plan and it is clearly written out in the part most are not paying attention to. When the vanity and the lies and the stealing from His people have made the vain liars and thieves drunk… then the world will see who it is that God chose and stayed loyal to because they are His children. Israel was given their role as a duty to the world… as a responsibility and the churches have proved themselves to not only NOT be capable of having such a responsibility, but also that they would pervert the Laws of God via human sacrifice of one of His chosen to cover their own sins.

Israel has been made to take the punishment and it has not been hid from the eyes of the world. That is God’s way. Hiding sins, well that is hellenistic Paul’s and his christian followers’ ways. Psalm 2. (you will not see Jesus’ singled out… so please, quit getting drunk off the blood of one God’s children. It is scary behavior). :sad_yes:

It honestly matters little that you think they falsely staked a claim. The claim is not yours to decide who it should go to.