"Something is seriously wrong with the New York Times ..."

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I suppose it’s a catch 22 then, because very few people seem to be interested in fairly evaluating the true cost in human lives that have been throw away in this war, a war which continues to this day. I remember years of Bush = Hitler posters on one side and total denials on the other, and not much else. Then the left kind of sputtered out and ever since it’s been something that no one even talks about. But there is a sane middle ground there where we can actually look at the devastation this war has caused without pushing any kind of agenda.

They didn’t make a big deal of this execution of 20+ people, but how many other massacres have been backpage news in the meantime? Seems to me they’re just not all that interested in highlighting reports on the deaths of brown people halfway across the world… Christian, Muslim, whatever.
I would say that we see a lot of coverage on television and on the radio about the injustices and especially the massacres around the world. In fact, I often feel that there is too much coverage, and the perpetrators are dancing with joy at all the publicity they are getting. (For them, this represents “treasure in heaven” that they are storing up.) I wish the television networks would scale back on their stories about these atrocities. I say let the radio shows cover these stories in depth so that they can debate the issues in more depth than is possible on TV.
 
I dont think most people realize the media today is actually owned and ran by private corporations, they literally control what is news and what the public does not get to hear, there are certain topics that are automatically ‘blacked out’ as in NOT allowed to mention anything about it.

The same goes for all the Christians currently being persecuted in the world, you probably wont find any stories about this! Id even go as far to say, when this christian persecution starts happening in the US, it still wont be on any news outlet or newspaper.
 
I dont think most people realize the media today is actually owned and ran by private corporations, they literally control what is news and what the public does not get to hear, there are certain topics that are automatically ‘blacked out’ as in NOT allowed to mention anything about it.

The same goes for all the Christians currently being persecuted in the world, you probably wont find any stories about this! Id even go as far to say, when this christian persecution starts happening in the US, it still wont be on any news outlet or newspaper.
I disagree with this.

I’m a newsaholic and have the news on for hours each day, either on the radio or on the TV. (We don’t have cable, so it’s all network stuff.) I hear lots of stories about the persecution of Christians, and these stories are done in a sympathetic manner and with no contempt.
 
I dont think most people realize the media today is actually owned and ran by private corporations, they literally control what is news and what the public does not get to hear, there are certain topics that are automatically ‘blacked out’ as in NOT allowed to mention anything about it.

The same goes for all the Christians currently being persecuted in the world, you probably wont find any stories about this! Id even go as far to say, when this christian persecution starts happening in the US, it still wont be on any news outlet or newspaper.
I think I’ve seen more news coverage of a Christian baker that didn’t want to bake a gay wedding cake in the past year than of the drones that the U.S. has been using to blow up Muslims. So, I dunno… I think they’ll cover this Christian “persecution” pretty well.
 
I think something has always been seriously wrong with the New York Times, or at least since the days of Walter Duranty, if not before . . . :rolleyes:
 
I’ve heard a different slant on this.

The newspapers have been trying NOT to give ISIS or other terrorist groups, and also serial killers, shooters, etc.-- any front page publicity. It makes them look important to themselves. And it encourages copycats who see that they can be on the front page, too.

I think it’s good that we bury these evil people in the middle of the newspaper instead of blaring their accomplishments across the front page in large print, with pictures and lots of print. They don’t deserve the PR. It tells them that we don’t think they’re very important. I think this is the proper approach to dealing with evil people. Don’t give them any more press than is necessary to present the story.

And I agree with the poster who said that most people get their news online.
I disagree. It seems if we bury the story it signifies we really don’t care about the people being butchered or burned to death.
 
I disagree. It seems if we bury the story it signifies we really don’t care about the people being butchered or burned to death.
What I see is that the story of the atrocity is underplayed (to avoid giving free press to the perpetrators), but the victim is given a lot of good press, with multiple stories of their accomplishments, the legacy they left, their personality, and the loved ones they left behind.

This is what has happened with the story of the beheading of the Coptic Christians–we are seeing (on network news) multiple stories where the family members are shown sobbing and mourning, and various family members talk to the reporters about their loved ones (R.I.P.).

It’s very touching, and it definitely helps us to see the victims as real people who suffered real pain. So IMO, the media does demonstrate by this coverage that we do care for the people who are murdered by terrorists.

I don’t see that doing a huge multiple-page story detailing the actual atrocity would demonstrate caring for the victims. If anything, it’s going to appeal to voyeurs, and make the rest of us sick to our stomachs and minds without giving us anything we can do to prevent it from happening again. It might also give weak-minded people and people with a lot of anger ideas about joining up with the terrorists, and it might give teens with emotional and mental illnesses ideas of sick acts to commit to get all kinds of media attention (better than no attention).

I like seeing lots of coverage of the actual victims and learning about their lives and what kind of love and personal mission brought them to an area of the world that the rest of us (at least me!) plan to avoid.

It’s the same thing with any tragic death. Media doesn’t do in-depth coverage of the actual murder or auto accident, detailing all the grisliness and condemning the circumstances or the killer(s). Instead, the media has a small story about the tragedy, and in the days following, they print or broadcast multiple stories about the victim’s life and accomplishments, the family’s grief, and the details of any memorial service or activities.
 
Honestly judging the front page of a print newspaper to have a lot of meaning is probably a mistake in 2015. I doubt that there are many rushes to change or reprint papers just to get a major story on the front anymore. The people in charge of the print layout probably aren’t exactly the guys running the operation like they used too.

Not to say that the NYT doesn’t have problems. Honestly journalism has always been plagued by corporate control, government propaganda, and just plain lazy ill-informed fill-in pieces. If you ever look at old papers with modern knowledge those influences are very clear. Solid hard hitting journalism has always been incredibly rare and even papers like the NYT who are famous for having broken major stories have always been filled with tons of white noise (at best).

It is just that front pages hardly mean anything at this point. Heck most website front-pages are run by algorithms and set to display whatever is currently “trending” with their audiences.
 
What I see is that the story of the atrocity is underplayed (to avoid giving free press to the perpetrators), but the victim is given a lot of good press, with multiple stories of their accomplishments, the legacy they left, their personality, and the loved ones they left behind.

This is what has happened with the story of the beheading of the Coptic Christians–we are seeing (on network news) multiple stories where the family members are shown sobbing and mourning, and various family members talk to the reporters about their loved ones (R.I.P.).

It’s very touching, and it definitely helps us to see the victims as real people who suffered real pain. So IMO, the media does demonstrate by this coverage that we do care for the people who are murdered by terrorists.

I don’t see that doing a huge multiple-page story detailing the actual atrocity would demonstrate caring for the victims. If anything, it’s going to appeal to voyeurs, and make the rest of us sick to our stomachs and minds without giving us anything we can do to prevent it from happening again. It might also give weak-minded people and people with a lot of anger ideas about joining up with the terrorists, and it might give teens with emotional and mental illnesses ideas of sick acts to commit to get all kinds of media attention (better than no attention).

I like seeing lots of coverage of the actual victims and learning about their lives and what kind of love and personal mission brought them to an area of the world that the rest of us (at least me!) plan to avoid.

It’s the same thing with any tragic death. Media doesn’t do in-depth coverage of the actual murder or auto accident, detailing all the grisliness and condemning the circumstances or the killer(s). Instead, the media has a small story about the tragedy, and in the days following, they print or broadcast multiple stories about the victim’s life and accomplishments, the family’s grief, and the details of any memorial service or activities.
I am not talking about a multi-page story. A headline on the front page should have been warranted with the details of the story.
I never saw or read one story about the families of the 21 Coptic Christians, but we don’t have satellite tv. Just local channels.
You really shouldn’t compare a car accident to acts by terrorists.
None of the articles I read gave many grisly details. They did not describe the beheadings or make any comments that would have caused the families to suffer more.
 
Something is seriously wrong with the New York Times…

The “inside story” …

nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/middleeast/islamic-state-video-beheadings-of-21-egyptian-christians.html

By its agenda a newspaper presents what is most important to its readership.

This story is news, but … is relegated to an inside page? And not Page 1 “above the fold …” < that is … the paper’s most featured news.

What WAS on page 1 above the fold? See for yourself. 🤷:confused:

nytimes.com/?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&region=TopBar&module=HomePage-Button&pgtype=article

I counted 13 stories … some rather pedestrian … and none anywhere near as earth shaking as the ISIS beheading of Christians.

This from the supposed “newspaper of record …” for U.S. news. IMO this is beyond a political bias (which all newspapers have somewhat) … but a dereliction of duty. :mad:
I don’t know what you’re getting puffed up about. I haven’t taken NYT seriously in ages.
 
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