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IWantGod said:
Science is dealing with causality in a different sense to metaphysics.

An object moves on its own, it has no cause for its movement other than its nature. Not a problem. It does not have a mechanistic cause.

However, if a thing begins to exist, it cannot be the cause of its own existence because potentiality cannot move itself to actuality, precisely because it has no actuality. This is causality dealt with in a different respect.

Its impossible. The scientific method has never positively shown potentiality becoming actual by itself. Its not possible for the scientific method to produce that kind of data and neither is it possible for it to actually happen.
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IWantGod said:
Science is dealing with causality in a different sense to metaphysics.

An object moves on its own, it has no cause for its movement other than its nature. Not a problem. It does not have a mechanistic cause.

However, if a thing begins to exist, it cannot be the cause of its own existence because potentiality cannot move itself to actuality, precisely because it has no actuality. This is causality dealt with in a different respect.

Its impossible. The scientific method has never positively shown potentiality becoming actual by itself. Its not possible for the scientific method to produce that kind of data and neither is it possible for it to actually happen.
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IWantGod said:
…However, if a thing begins to exist, it cannot be the cause of its own existence because potentiality cannot move itself to actuality, precisely because it has no actuality. This is causality dealt with in a different respect…
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This I know.

We were talking about chain of causality and the fact that a chain of causality can be initiated by a person without any need for another cause. So I don’t understand how your argument is related to what I was discussing.
 
There was never “undecision” within God. There was never inaction within God. God’s mind does not move in the way our mind’s move. He is infinite, we are finite. He is eternal, we are temporal. He is immaterial, we are material. God’s intellect, will, and power are all the same within his essence. I’m not even sure it’s appropriate to speak about of His will as if it is something distinguishable from his power/action. Even should we, it does not follow that any order must be a temporal order and not simply one of dependence. But we cannot think of it as some type of mechanical operation. Immaterial does not mean some type of ectoplasmic substance operating like material. There is no conflict with eternity if we refrain from anthropomorphic models of His intellect, will, and power.
 
Wesrock said:
There was never “undecision” within God. There was never inaction within God. God’s mind does not move in the way our mind’s move. He is infinite, we are finite. He is eternal, we are temporal. He is immaterial, we are material. God’s intellect, will, and power are all the same within his essence. I’m not even sure it’s appropriate to speak about of His will as if it is something distinguishable from his power/action. Even should we, it does not follow that any order must be a temporal order and not simply one of dependence. But we cannot think of it as some type of mechanical operation. Immaterial does not mean some type of ectoplasmic substance operating like material. There is no conflict with eternity if we refrain from anthropomorphic models of His intellect, will, and power.
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That is all good and I agree with it. Yet, you didn’t answer my question: Can we agree that decision allows act?
 
STT said:
That is all good and I agree with it. Yet, you didn’t answer my question: Can we agree that decision allows act?
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Your question has been answered 16 different ways.
Why do you persist?
 
STT said:
Is God a entity with free will ability?

I am asking this because God is equal to Cosmic force if He does not have free will or doesn’t decide.
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God* is* cosmic force. 🙂

He’s just not only cosmic force.
 
STT said:
That is all good and I agree with it. Yet, you didn’t answer my question: Can we agree that decision allows act?
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The issue is that I see an anthropomorphic bias behind this question, which is why I become insistent that God’s mind is not our mind whenever it’s brought up. Decision also seems to imply change from a state of indecision, which is why I have been using the word will.

For the sake of argument, because we seem to be going in circles, let’s just say “yes,” action follows will. Now where do you want to go?
 
Wesrock said:
The issue is that I see an anthropomorphic bias behind this question, which is why I become insistent that God’s mind is not our mind whenever it’s brought up. Decision also seems to imply change from a state of indecision, which is why I have been using the word will.

For the sake of argument, because we seem to be going in circles, let’s just say “yes,” action follows will. Now where do you want to go?
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God is the unity of all things. And he is simplicity.
In God, nothing follows any thing else.
 
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