Something out of nothing

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This is a general belief that something cannot come out of nothing. Here we argue that this is possible and provide an example for it.

Think of something with a set of properties. Anything has a form which the form is the result of configuration of the properties. The idea is whether we can reach to a formless state which is nothing from something and vice verse. This is feasible since we can adjust the properties such that they cancel each other out, if this is intrinsically possible for something. So to get nothing from something we just need to reconfigure the thing to reach to nothing. Obviously the contrary is also correct meaning that you can get something out of nothing if you can manage to get things out of nothing such that they always cancel each other out.

The example is obviously our universe. We know that in Big Bang the positive energy related to particles was canceled by negative gravitational energy and this made the existence of our universe possible.
 
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Obviously the contrary is also correct meaning that you can get something out of nothing if you can manage to get things out of nothing such that they always cancel each other out…
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None of this is true.
The example is obviously our universe. We know that in Big Bang the positive energy related to particles was cancelled by negative gravitational energy and this made the existence of our universe possible.
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You have not demonstrated how something can come from absolutely nothing. You clearly begin with something.
 
STT said:
This is a general belief that something cannot come out of nothing. Here we argue that this is possible and provide an example for it.

Think of something with a set of properties. Anything has a form which the form is the result of configuration of the properties.
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Ok, I’m thinking of a solid cube, black in colour, 4 inches per side.
The idea is whether we can reach to a formless state which is nothing from something and vice verse. This is feasible since we can adjust the properties such that they cancel each other out, if this is intrinsically possible for something.
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Show me that you can create my black box out of nothing at all.
 
STT said:
That is true and it is clear in the example provided in OP.

We know that in the case of our universe quantum fluctuation caused initial seed for Big Bang. It could be God either.
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Quantum fluctuations do not come from absolutely nothing.
 
seagal said:
Ok, I’m thinking of a solid cube, black in colour, 4 inches per side.

Show me that you can create my black box out of nothing at all.
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That is a good example but not something we are looking for. We are looking for examples that can illustrate how something can comes out of nothing. Think of two particles which absorb each other by gravitational force. This gravitation force has negative energy which can cancel the positive energy due to creation of particles. This means that such a creation is possible out of nothing.
 
STT said:
That is true and it is clear in the example provided in OP.

We know that in the case of our universe quantum fluctuation caused initial seed for Big Bang. It could be God either.
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Quantum fluctuation? My dear sir, a quantum fluctuation is indeed something and not nothing.
 
IWantGod said:
Quantum fluctuations do not come from absolutely nothing.
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Yes they do. Otherwise we couldn’t be here. Moreover, there are quantum fluctuations around us which they are not due to presence of anything.
 
STT said:
That is a good example but not something we are looking for. We are looking for examples that can illustrate how something can comes out of nothing. Think of two particles which absorb each other by gravitational force. This gravitation force has negative energy which can cancel the positive energy due to creation of particles. This means that such a creation is possible out of nothing.
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The fact that matter and anti-matter cancel each other out does not make them equivalent to nothing, either considered together or apart. They exist. They have being,
 
STT said:
Yes they do. Otherwise we couldn’t be here. Moreover, there are quantum fluctuations around us which they are not due to presence of anything.
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Do the quantum fluctuations occur in anything? Space and time, for example?
 
Wesrock said:
The fact that matter and anti-matter cancel each other out does not make them equivalent to nothing, either considered together or apart. They exist. They have being,
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Matter and anti-matter only cancel each other in charge and not energy.
 
goout said:
I’d be interested in seeing that proved.
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This is proved scientifically. Consider the case of decay of Cesium 137. The decay is completely irregular. Something which is completely irregular in its nature cannot have a cause.
 
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