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Okay this has been really bothering me for a while… I know that we can’t influence reality with our thoughts right?? however something happened that made me feel really guilty as if I had caused it, when really I didn’t, I think. A couple times, in the past, the enemy gave me a horrible temptation to wish for something bad to happen to another person, (something specific), - but the temptation was in my imagination and feelings rather than in my will. I think that I rejected it, because I didn’t want it and it was obvious it was a temptation that was forced on me. Well… soon after, that thing actually happened to the person :eek: this happened two times with different people. It scared me sooo much. I was afraid, is there something wrong with me?? or was the enemy just trying to play with my mind? any thoughts? 😦 it’s been making me feel very guilty though I never wanted this to happen to the person.

Or sometimes I think about how much I admire something or someone, and soon after I lose the object or something bad happens to the person or my relationship with them suffers in some way.

My question is - should I feel guilty about this? have I sinned in some way or is there something wrong? It’s honestly been bothering me. If the thoughts are demonic, how does the enemy know what will happen in the future? after these occurences, I felt so bad as if my thoughts had caused them in some way, when really I don’t believe that this is possible… (and I never accepted the thoughts, I saw them as temptations in my imagination)
 
MtnDwellar said:
The enemy knows future events that he intends to cause.
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can he cause an accident to happen?

maybe I should say what happened… my dad was repairing something on the roof, standing on some stairs, and I was on the computer and thinking about something else, when all of a sudden I got this mental image of him falling off the roof but with it came a temptation to want this or agree with it… it felt so evil and demonic and I fought against it and prayed that nothing would happen to dad. But very soon after, he fell off the roof 😦 he didn’t get hurt badly… but I felt SO guilty as if my thoughts had caused it. However, I didn’t want these thoughts at all and I don’t know where they came from! was all this from the enemy? it certainly felt like a temptation… and I love my family, I would never think something like this about any of them, on my own. It felt like the thought was put into my mind, - like intrusive blasphemous thoughts that I was getting before. I just don’t understand, why did dad actually fall off the roof.
 
Do not enter into dialougue with yourself in this issue too much. If it is from the enemy then you are arguing with *him. We are not smart enuff for that. No one is. If I were to meet a demon I would simply fall to my kness and pray and shut him out. *

Consult your priest.
 
Monica4316 said:
can he cause an accident to happen?

maybe I should say what happened… my dad was repairing something on the roof, standing on some stairs, and I was on the computer and thinking about something else, when all of a sudden I got this mental image of him falling off the roof but with it came a temptation to want this or agree with it… it felt so evil and demonic and I fought against it and prayed that nothing would happen to dad. But very soon after, he fell off the roof 😦 he didn’t get hurt badly… but I felt SO guilty as if my thoughts had caused it. However, I didn’t want these thoughts at all and I don’t know where they came from! was all this from the enemy? it certainly felt like a temptation… and I love my family, I would never think something like this about any of them, on my own. It felt like the thought was put into my mind, - like intrusive blasphemous thoughts that I was getting before. I just don’t understand, why did dad actually fall off the roof.
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Yes, the devil can cause accidents to happen. I am not saying that he did. I am only saying that it is possible.

Remember that we are in a war. “For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places .”

Don’t be surprised. It is a real war.
 
This sounds very OCDish (and I should know–I have OCD). I highly doubt that you can think an evil event into existence, and certainly not by accident.
 
Actually we can change reality with our words. This is what Sacraments do, change reality. Not all reality is in the physical. When I married my wife, through the grace of God, we changed reality…we changed our souls eternally.
 
Monica, you may have the wrong take. The thoughts may not have been temptations to wish for something bad. They were premonitions.
 
Monica4316 said:
can he cause an accident to happen?

maybe I should say what happened… my dad was repairing something on the roof, standing on some stairs, and I was on the computer and thinking about something else, when all of a sudden I got this mental image of him falling off the roof but with it came a temptation to want this or agree with it… it felt so evil and demonic and I fought against it and prayed that nothing would happen to dad. But very soon after, he fell off the roof 😦 he didn’t get hurt badly… but I felt SO guilty as if my thoughts had caused it. However, I didn’t want these thoughts at all and I don’t know where they came from! was all this from the enemy? it certainly felt like a temptation… and I love my family, I would never think something like this about any of them, on my own. It felt like the thought was put into my mind, - like intrusive blasphemous thoughts that I was getting before. I just don’t understand, why did dad actually fall off the roof.
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you have done nothing, there is no sin, so don’t worry, just remember this - you cannot sin accidentally, and also, thoughts that simply pop into our head are outside our will, and what entered your head you fought…not to mention there is no way you could have known what entered your mind would happen, which was very likely only a coincidence,

just put it out of your mind, don’t worry about it, and if you are losing your peace over it then it’s not from God, which is all the more reason to dismiss it.

remember, to sin you need to fully consent, and if you have not, then there is no sin…you cannot sin against your will, it is impossible.

ok? hope this helps, take care.
 
Edward_H said:
Actually we can change reality with our words. This is what Sacraments do, change reality. Not all reality is in the physical. When I married my wife, through the grace of God, we changed reality…we changed our souls eternally.
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Yes, but the change occurred on purpose, and through the obvious agency of a sacrament. You couldn’t “think real hard” about being married and miraculously have it happen. 🙂
 
fons_vitae said:
Yes, but the change occurred on purpose, and through the obvious agency of a sacrament. You couldn’t “think real hard” about being married and miraculously have it happen. 🙂
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I was just commenting really on the everyday ness of how we change reality.

Why do we give greater weight to changing physical reality compared to eternal realities.

But I get the points.
 
I hope your dads ok.

Mental image?
Do you mean like you literally saw your dad falling off the roof?

I’m sure if you told a priest that he would tell you not to worry and thats its not your fault.
It still leaves the question of why your getting such experiences though?
 
I worked with many a mentally ill people in my day. I dare say that there is often -**not **always- much evil that is unoticed (read masked) in schizophrenia. Note I am not saying the OP is ill.

However, I am saying that often that what we think are our own thoughts may indeed be the whisper of evil. It is notable that one usually doubts oneself or questions one’s sanity when encountering evil’s machinations. This is evil’s intent. I submit this only for perusal. I am making no assertions here.
 
My dear dnt be worried.I have experienced the same things too.I experience it when i am angry at someone or envious.Like i dnt want someone to prosper above me.But i surrendered myself to God and He took control of the situation.Immediately such thoughts come to my mine i casts them to the foot of the cross of Jesus to deal with them as He wills.I then pray hard and rebuke it not to happen and my dear i have not experienced that for a long time now;The devil knows the future.Fight Him with sacramentals.Pray your rosary daily,do novenas tobe delivered from the powers of the devil.I think with that you will be just fine.
 
Edward_H said:
Actually we can change reality with our words. This is what Sacraments do, change reality. Not all reality is in the physical. When I married my wife, through the grace of God, we changed reality…we changed our souls eternally.
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this was done through the grace of God… He is the one who did the change. There’s another point of view where people believe their thoughts actually change reality (for example like in that book the Secret), but that is new-agey and incorrect…
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Monica, you may have the wrong take. The thoughts may not have been temptations to wish for something bad. They were premonitions.
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I thought of this too, but when I had these thoughts, there was a strong temptation to want them or to like them… (though I do not like them, I don’t know if I fell into the temptation but I know I don’t want anything to happen to my dad)
Nimzovik said:
I worked with many a mentally ill people in my day. I dare say that there is often -**not **always- much evil that is unoticed (read masked) in schizophrenia. Note I am not saying the OP is ill.

However, I am saying that often that what we think are our own thoughts may indeed be the whisper of evil. It is notable that one usually doubts oneself or questions one’s sanity when encountering evil’s machinations. This is evil’s intent. I submit this only for perusal. I am making no assertions here.
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I think there’s some truth there…
 
synlly said:
My dear dnt be worried.I have experienced the same things too.I experience it when i am angry at someone or envious.Like i dnt want someone to prosper above me.But i surrendered myself to God and He took control of the situation.Immediately such thoughts come to my mine i casts them to the foot of the cross of Jesus to deal with them as He wills.I then pray hard and rebuke it not to happen and my dear i have not experienced that for a long time now;The devil knows the future.Fight Him with sacramentals.Pray your rosary daily,do novenas tobe delivered from the powers of the devil.I think with that you will be just fine.
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I’ve had this too 😦 but what is puzzling in that particular experience that I described, - I wasn’t at all angry with my dad… it was horrifying to be tempted in that way.
 
Monica4316 said:
I’ve had this too 😦 but what is puzzling in that particular experience that I described, - I wasn’t at all angry with my dad… it was horrifying to be tempted in that way.
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In your particular case, I think there are two things at work here -

In the first instance, I suspect the devil either “caused” or more likely simply knew your father was going to fall off the roof.

The second issue is that the devil also knew you tend to be a bit scrupulous (from what I’ve seen of your posts), and that by putting this image with an associated feeling of “tempation” into your mind, he could make you feel guilty He can do this sort of thing, but the reality is He’s a liar and trying to do nothing more than make you feel guilty when in fact you’re guilty of nothing.

The danger for you is to start dwelling morbidly on it. If you do that, he knows he’s got a handle. And that’s all it is.

I can tell you of an experience (not mine) where a person did feel guilty and in one sense may have had something to do with the result. My old Protestant pastor told me that he once had a young bloke in his congregation who was riding a motor bike dangerously. It was obvious to everyone he said. I think it may have been just about the time I joined his church, so I don’t remember the young bloke.

However he told me he felt guilty as he warned him with the specific words, “If you don’t start riding more sensibly and carefully, you won’t last two weeks!” Of course he didn’t mean it literally, but he actually buried him two weeks later to the day. The pastor tiold me he later wished he’d warned him in some other way.

Now he said to me that he often found that when he said things, they happened (which I was able to verify later from personal experience. His predictions were very accurate).

But in this particular case, I believe that **God **was warning the young bloke through the pastor. Since the young fellow chose to ignore God’s warning, given through the pastor, he was killed in less than two weeks.

That’s one of the reasons I don’t think God is soft. I don’t like Him much sometimes, to be honest.

But that’s not the same as your experience. In your case, I think the devil is just playing games with your mind. I’d ignore it if I were youi.
 
Bob, thanks for the reply!

I think though that if God warned this person through the pastor… that was an act of mercy rather than justice 🙂 so many die without any warning. It’s better to be able to prepare. However, it’s sad if he didn’t accept the warning, hopefully he is Heaven or purgatory.
 
Monica4316 said:
can he cause an accident to happen?

maybe I should say what happened… my dad was repairing something on the roof, standing on some stairs, and I was on the computer and thinking about something else, when all of a sudden I got this mental image of him falling off the roof but with it came a temptation to want this or agree with it… it felt so evil and demonic and I fought against it and prayed that nothing would happen to dad. But very soon after, he fell off the roof 😦 he didn’t get hurt badly… but I felt SO guilty as if my thoughts had caused it. However, I didn’t want these thoughts at all and I don’t know where they came from! was all this from the enemy? it certainly felt like a temptation… and I love my family, I would never think something like this about any of them, on my own. It felt like the thought was put into my mind, - like intrusive blasphemous thoughts that I was getting before. I just don’t understand, why did dad actually fall off the roof.
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Hi,
Your dad slipped and fell. It’s just that simple.
Your were worried when you dad went on that roof weren’t you?
You may have even said something like, “Dad you shouldnt be going up there, be careful.”
Or “be careful Dad, that’s dangerous up there, I don’t want you to slip and fall.”
Or “I wish you get someone else to do that.”

How do I know this? Because I’m a Dad and have heard it all before.
Your just tying previous thoughts and wishes to the reality when it happened.
Everyone says that to Dad. Only this time by chance the slip occurred.

Have a good day.
 
Monica4316 said:
Okay this has been really bothering me for a while… I know that we can’t influence reality with our thoughts right?? however something happened that made me feel really guilty as if I had caused it, when really I didn’t, I think. A couple times, in the past, the enemy gave me a horrible temptation to wish for something bad to happen to another person, (something specific), - but the temptation was in my imagination and feelings rather than in my will. I think that I rejected it, because I didn’t want it and it was obvious it was a temptation that was forced on me. Well… soon after, that thing actually happened to the person :eek: this happened two times with different people. It scared me sooo much. I was afraid, is there something wrong with me?? or was the enemy just trying to play with my mind? any thoughts? 😦 it’s been making me feel very guilty though I never wanted this to happen to the person.

Or sometimes I think about how much I admire something or someone, and soon after I lose the object or something bad happens to the person or my relationship with them suffers in some way.

My question is - should I feel guilty about this? have I sinned in some way or is there something wrong? It’s honestly been bothering me. If the thoughts are demonic, how does the enemy know what will happen in the future? after these occurences, I felt so bad as if my thoughts had caused them in some way, when really I don’t believe that this is possible… (and I never accepted the thoughts, I saw them as temptations in my imagination)
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Hi Monica,
Not everything in this world can be naturally explained or understood.
Life on the planet carries us along in its mysteries and secrets.

I think the best we can hope for is to follow what Jesus teaches, or His church.
The church teaches that temptation is not a sin as the devil would have you believe.
I would say that what you experienced was evil because it originated unexpectedly and
without cause from you. Where else would an evil thought come from if not from
you? Certainly not a good angel. If it didn’t come from you nor from a good
source than that only leaves one other cause, for everything has a cause. If any
bad happened it was of his planning not yours.

Why are horrible thoughts allowed to prick our soul? Because as St. Paul says
God can draw good out of evil. When you resist evil, you are practising “your will be done”
which is pleasing and meritorous in the sight of God. It is an act that will not
only save yourself but others in the mystical body of Christ when you offer this
to God with love.

Here is someone who also has some wholesome explaination why you are not at fault.

St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori - Letters II
‘You are not the only one whom Jesus Christ treats thus: how many penitents have I not had whom the Lord has treated in this way nearly to the day of their death! One of them was continually tempted to hate God; another said without intermission that she had been condemned never to be able to love God, etc.; nevertheless they all died a happy death. And as for you, of what are you afraid? If you had not this cross of desolation, you would not have any cross in this world; and without a cross we cannot come to God. Besides, the pain that you feel on account of not being able to love God, is a proof that you love him; for if you did not love him you would not feel this pain. Those persons that do not love God feel no pain in thinking that they do not love him.’
 
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