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Sarcelle
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Yes.
I remember reading in St. Faustina 's diary that Jesus particularly desires to receive our miseries, because they are wholly ours.
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I remember reading in St. Faustina 's diary that Jesus particularly desires to receive our miseries, because they are wholly ours.
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RosyAnne
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I’m dealing with the same thing, just in different ways. My main thorn though isn’t with people at Church it’s other drivers on the road with me 
. What I’ve learned over the past couple months (since I’ve been paying attention to this):
. What I’ve learned over the past couple months (since I’ve been paying attention to this):- It is a response to my prayers for growth in humility and patience (petitions during the rosary).
- It could be God trying to get my attention about a fault within me that I have to work on OR God bringing someone to my attention that could use a quick prayer or two.
- I’m being taught also that things don’t have to be perfect to be acceptable or enjoyed.
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Sarcelle
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I also hate it when I am driving at the speed limit and drivers still try to get very intimate with my car’s rear bumper.I’m dealing with the same thing, just in different ways. My main thorn though isn’t with people at Church it’s other drivers on the road with me
God is really helping me work through my issues with other drivers and stretch me to grow in patience. I’ll just shake loose the slow driver in front of me, get a few blocks and then WHAMMO! a driver from a side street will speed up to turn and get in front of me and then sloooooow right down to just below the speed limit. Blessed be God forever
- It is a response to my prayers for growth in humility and patience (petitions during the rosary).
- It could be God trying to get my attention about a fault within me that I have to work on OR God bringing someone to my attention that could use a quick prayer or two.
- I’m being taught also that things don’t have to be perfect to be acceptable or enjoyed.
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glendab
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Hello MysticalSeeker.
I do think the whole incident has to be treated as water under the bridge at this point because the incident is long past, however I do feel it is important enough to bring to the Pastor and since so many do receive in their hands the parishioners may actually benefit from a homily about the basic etiquette of receiving Holy Communion. There is never a bad reason for giving basic catechesis right from the pulpit and who cares if it stings the pride of the folks in the pews. They **do **need to be told what to do from time to time. And that is after all, what Jesus sent the Church to do: to teach and that includes being told to wash one’s hands before receiving God in them on Sundays.
Glenda
I think your exaggeration is uncalled for and rude. Most people receive Communion in their hands these days. Basic hygiene is expected. It is actually GOD YOU ARE HOLDING IN YOUR HANDS, not just a piece of bread. If a person feels no need to wash his or her hands before receiving GOD IN HIS OR HER HANDS, do you think they actually care about the state of their souls prior either? Yes, it is also **a sacrilege **to have dirt on your hands and then have the Blessed Sacrament touch that dirt and in this instance the source of that dirt can be unthinkable.
I do think the whole incident has to be treated as water under the bridge at this point because the incident is long past, however I do feel it is important enough to bring to the Pastor and since so many do receive in their hands the parishioners may actually benefit from a homily about the basic etiquette of receiving Holy Communion. There is never a bad reason for giving basic catechesis right from the pulpit and who cares if it stings the pride of the folks in the pews. They **do **need to be told what to do from time to time. And that is after all, what Jesus sent the Church to do: to teach and that includes being told to wash one’s hands before receiving God in them on Sundays.
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Weejee
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Oh I know your frustration.I’m dealing with the same thing, just in different ways. My main thorn though isn’t with people at Church it’s other drivers on the road with me
God is really helping me work through my issues with other drivers and stretch me to grow in patience. I’ll just shake loose the slow driver in front of me, get a few blocks and then WHAMMO! a driver from a side street will speed up to turn and get in front of me and then sloooooow right down to just below the speed limit. Blessed be God forever
- It is a response to my prayers for growth in humility and patience (petitions during the rosary).
- It could be God trying to get my attention about a fault within me that I have to work on OR God bringing someone to my attention that could use a quick prayer or two.
- I’m being taught also that things don’t have to be perfect to be acceptable or enjoyed.
I’ve just moved to Santa Fe, and it seems you can’t go anywhere without getting beeped from behind. It really makes me want to cuss-n-swear. I’m trying not to do that, although sometimes a “go to hell” will escape my lips. It’s so freakin’ hard to be patient with the impatient! I try, and I pray, but it’s still very hard, I won’t gloss it over. Dear GOD, please give us all PATIENCE!
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Mystical_Seeker
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That’s why I suggested the measures to take care of the problem. If you wish to take it upon yourself to educate others in this manner. If all you do is get angry and sound off to a particular person – and in a manner that will not get through to them anyway – then you’re not really doing anything about the problem except being angry and annoying about your perceived lack in others.
Think about how many people have picked their noses, or gone to the bathroom without washing, at Every Single Mass you go to. Or right during Mass you can see them sneeze into their hands and fail to excuse themselves to wash them before the Sign of Peace. You can obsess over it, or you can let others be concerned with their relationship with God and focus on why we are there – it is to get help ourselves in the hospital not to go tell all the other patients how they are so sick that don’t even care about the state of their souls. It is possible that’s one reason they are even at Mass.
I think that’s a great idea, for someone who is so concerned. I think it’s fine to ask the pastor about that, and to ask him to teach about it from the pulpit. One of my pastors used to talk every now and then about how to come up for Communion and he would definitely mention that. And if I saw this happening in the bathroom I might also mention it to my pastor, for him to decide whether it’s something to talk about.
But playing “holier-than-thou” vigilante in the bathroom is as much an exercise of ego as any actual attempt to correct the problem – because like I said to correct the problem would require much stronger measures. Especially because those sort of approaches tend to turn people even more away from whatever message you deliver. It’s a natural psychological phenomenon, that if you pair a message with an angry messenger, the message will be suppressed.
But if you (I know you’re not the OP but I mean “you” in general) admit that it’s just out of anger and not to try to fix the other person’s soul or do God any favors by acting angrily in His name but instead was from an egoic desire to “tell someone off,” then I understand completely and I withdraw further concern.
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Joy2day
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What if the person who didnt use soap & water unwittingly had ebola?
& what if they misjudged the intentions of the other person, & therefore became hostile & aggressive towards them & then just to show the other they wont be bossed, proceeded to wipe their hands on everything & everyone?
Are we supposed to offer up, & practise patience with this type of dangerous & childish behaviour?
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& what if they misjudged the intentions of the other person, & therefore became hostile & aggressive towards them & then just to show the other they wont be bossed, proceeded to wipe their hands on everything & everyone?
Are we supposed to offer up, & practise patience with this type of dangerous & childish behaviour?
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Mystical_Seeker
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Those are good reasons why it’s risky to lash out at somebody whom I don’t know anything about other than that they did not to something I thought they should do. If the other person is the only witness, then potentially nobody “learns” from the correction which may have been offered for good intentions but was administered in a way that could easily be considered quite an affront.
As far as germs in the handshake of peace, I know that when I touch other people it can spread germs, period. A hand doesn’t have to look dirty or just come out of the bathroom stall to be teeming with nasties. So I just get used to that, or just nod politely if I don’t want to touch other people. Unless I’ve followed their hands around since the last time they disinfected them, I really don’t know.
Personally it wouldn’t bother me to do away with the handshake of peace. I don’t mind the risk of infection because I have a good enough immune system apparently, but I think it’s so awkward when some people want to hug, others want to shake, others nod, and others just keep their heads down and avoid eye contact. I think the time for socializing is outside of Mass, at least where I go to church. I’ve been to some smaller churches where the hug and go around the room for five minutes or so. I can get with that because it was open and genuine, instead of people feeling like the have to go along with it. I don’t want to touch somebody who would rather not touch me.
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Weejee
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I wish they’d do away with it too, for the same reasons. It’s such a distraction, and it’s not sincere. Most of the time the other people won’t even look at your eyes. It’s automatic. One thing peaceful I find about the Tridentine mass I’ve started to attend is that you don’t have to do the handshake.
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glendab
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Hello Mystical Seeker.
As for doing away with a part of the Mass for hygienic reasons, that cannot happen. I’ve been through times of flu outbreaks when the Pastor has responded with a withdrawal of Communion under both species, but that is about it. Those who are truly germophobic who need to keep to themselves at Mass instead of shaking hands are perfectly free to do so without altering any rubrics. No one says a hand-shake is necessary as the “sign of peace.” It may seem that way because everyone uses that particular sign in a parish, so it is the norm by enculturation, but it isn’t required.
Glenda
I guess I have failed to help you see that perhaps the zeal of Absolvo for the sanctity of the Blessed Sacrament was the motive behind watching a grown man use the toilet yet fail to wash his hands prior to receiving in his un-washed hands that same Blessed Sacrament and bring his distaste and rightful disdain here to CAF to vent. Instead you’ve chosen to see only Absolvo’s inconsideration for human feelings.
As for doing away with a part of the Mass for hygienic reasons, that cannot happen. I’ve been through times of flu outbreaks when the Pastor has responded with a withdrawal of Communion under both species, but that is about it. Those who are truly germophobic who need to keep to themselves at Mass instead of shaking hands are perfectly free to do so without altering any rubrics. No one says a hand-shake is necessary as the “sign of peace.” It may seem that way because everyone uses that particular sign in a parish, so it is the norm by enculturation, but it isn’t required.
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Mystical_Seeker
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No I have not chosen not to see his zeal for the Blessed Sacrament. I have only chosen not to comment on it.
The OP asked for opinions of his reaction and I gave it. His reaction was not the type of reaction I’d expect to see Jesus coach any one of us to use.
IF you think it’s OK to behave like the OP did, then that’s clearly your opinion. but I don’t hold my opinion just because I don’t value the Eucharist as much as you do. That’s what’s coming through from you. I’m not blind to your viewpoint on the OP action; it was a reaction maybe like Peter cutting off the ear of the soldier. Its not Jesus’s way of doing things IMO. You can do things your way and tell people what is wrong about them and why their behavior doesn’t meet your standards, and that’s fine.
Actually the priest that says the Mass I go to every week, skips straight from “and with your spirit” to the Agnus Dei, during flu season when he hears people coughing and stuff.
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Mystical_Seeker
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One thing peaceful I find about the Tridentine mass I’ve started to attend is that you don’t have to do the handshake.
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glendab
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Hello MS.
Glenda
So, you think the man’s feelings about being addressed by the OP for not washing his hands are the most important thing and “His reaction was not the type of reaction I’d expect to see Jesus coach any one of us to use.” Can I ask how you feel about Jesus raising a whip and using it on those moneychangers in the marketplace? They were also guilty of profaning that which is Holy, but not in as direct a way as the sacrilege that may have occurred when recently soiled hands handled the Blessed Sacrament. So, what would Jesus do?No I have not chosen not to see his zeal for the Blessed Sacrament. I have only chosen not to comment on it.
The OP asked for opinions of his reaction and I gave it. His reaction was not the type of reaction I’d expect to see Jesus coach any one of us to use.
IF you think it’s OK to behave like the OP did, then that’s clearly your opinion. but I don’t hold my opinion just because I don’t value the Eucharist as much as you do. That’s what’s coming through from you. I’m not blind to your viewpoint on the OP action; it was a reaction maybe like Peter cutting off the ear of the soldier. Its not Jesus’s way of doing things IMO. You can do things your way and tell people what is wrong about them and why their behavior doesn’t meet your standards, and that’s fine.
Actually the priest that says the Mass I go to every week, skips straight from “and with your spirit” to the Agnus Dei, during flu season when he hears people coughing and stuff.
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Mystical_Seeker
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You make an excellent point.
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Mystical_Seeker
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Also I was thinking about the “good old days” in the 60s, before kids started getting away with being “smart mouthed,” really any adult could correct any child. It didn’t matter if you were the parent or even saw the child before. If an adult corrected a child, the child would at least pretend to take the correction.
That was before it became fashionable for parents to aggressively protect their children against anything being said by Anyone Who Isn’t Their Parents, that hints the little darlings may have room for improvement.
So back then, it would be perfectly normal if a child didn’t wash hands, for any adult to correct the child, and more than likely, the child would have complied.
I think kids these days are conditioned to rebel against any “negative (name removed by moderator)ut.”
That was before it became fashionable for parents to aggressively protect their children against anything being said by Anyone Who Isn’t Their Parents, that hints the little darlings may have room for improvement.
So back then, it would be perfectly normal if a child didn’t wash hands, for any adult to correct the child, and more than likely, the child would have complied.
I think kids these days are conditioned to rebel against any “negative (name removed by moderator)ut.”
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Weejee
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Guess what, Gang? Soon nobody will have to wash their hands after pooping. Read on!
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Gilead Sciences won U.S. approval Friday to begin selling the first pill that promises to cure most hepatitis C patients without requiring other medicines.
The drug, dubbed Harvoni, builds on Gilead’s blockbuster Sovaldi treatment, which recorded the biggest drug launch in history after going on sale late last year and is itself a lightning rod for critics of drug prices.
The new drug combines Sovaldi with another agent into a single orange pill that needs to be taken just once a day to cure most patients.
Gilead Gets U.S. Approval To Sell New Hepatitis C Drug
Gilead Sciences won U.S. approval Friday to begin selling the first pill that promises to cure most hepatitis C patients without requiring other medicines.
The drug, dubbed Harvoni, builds on Gilead’s blockbuster Sovaldi treatment, which recorded the biggest drug launch in history after going on sale late last year and is itself a lightning rod for critics of drug prices.
The new drug combines Sovaldi with another agent into a single orange pill that needs to be taken just once a day to cure most patients.
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Mystical_Seeker
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I won’t link it because it has foul language, but I get kind of a kick out of George Carlin’s standup routine about germs.
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Weejee
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Oooooooo…could you send me the link privately. Nothing better than a good scatological joke!I won’t link it because it has foul language, but I get kind of a kick out of George Carlin’s standup routine about germs.
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msammiem
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Exactly!! I cringe at the thought of taking the cup after someone who didn’t wash their hands.
As for the OP…I hope your day is better tomorrow and your stress reduces.
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