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I feel very guilty about a possible mortal sin. I do not wish to go into detail if possible considering it is kinda embaressing…But if I have to I will. I know that In order to commit a mortal sin you must know it to be of grave matter and then go ahead and do it anyway. In my case I knew it was probably mortally sinful and reflected on this fact for 2-3 seconds and then committed the sin anyways. I did not wish to commit this sin and I feel as if I did it more compulsively if anything. If I had more time to realize on the gravity of my actions I know I wouldnt have done it. But I can’t shake the feeling because my body commited the sin which I feel like I should have complete control over, unlike the mind. I also admit I am quite scrupulous but I am torn over what “full consent” means because my will did not wish to commit this sin but I compulsivly did after briefly thinking that it probably was a mortal sin. Please give me what advice you can and I can provide more detail if neccessary.
 
this is exactly why we have priests and the sacrament of confession, and why that is the proper forum for a discussion of an individual situation, not an internet site.
 
First, of course there is sacramental confession. Get to a priest and confession as soon as possible.

Second, never forget we are all prone to sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This tendency to sin is called concupiscence.

Surrender yourself to God, the Blessed Virgin Mary. They can help give you the strength not to commit this sin again. If your sin involved hurting another person, then you should, of course, make restitution to the injured party.

If your sin did not involved another person, restitution is not needed. However, I would encourage you to increase the amount of prayer and fasting you do if this sin is habitual.

Habits can be broken with self-discipline. More prayer, and fasting impose a discipline on you and can help give you the strength to over come these sins in the same a way weightlifter gets stronger by lifting weights, not just by competing.
 
puzzleannie said:
this is exactly why we have priests and the sacrament of confession, and why that is the proper forum for a discussion of an individual situation, not an internet site.
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Gotta second what Annie said. You need some guidance on what is sufficient reflection (understand of the nature of an act) and full and deliberate consent of your free will. Short of a priest no one on this forum has the right, or the ability, to give you a definitive answer to your particular situation.
 
Yea…go and see a good priest in the confessional. You are probably not in mortal sin but only you and God know that. A priest can help you discern this especially if it is a habit. I bet that I can make three guesses as to what this is and my first two don’t count. Almost all people struggle with this and you should not despair. Use the Sacrament of Reconciliation and don’t beat yourself up over this. God loves you as He made you. And He died for you…Peace…teachccd 🙂
 
teachccd said:
Yea…go and see a good priest in the confessional. You are probably not in mortal sin but only you and God know that. A priest can help you discern this especially if it is a habit. I bet that I can make three guesses as to what this is and my first two don’t count. Almost all people struggle with this and you should not despair. Use the Sacrament of Reconciliation and don’t beat yourself up over this. God loves you as He made you. And He died for you…Peace…teachccd 🙂
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Emphasis is mine.

Referring to the highlighted text, I do not believe you or anyone else can make such a statement. The OP did say it was a grave matter, knew it was grave, thought about it, and did it anyway. The “formula” for moral sin appears to be present. Only God has the insight to know if there are any mitigating circumstances.

With this little bit of information, I do not believe that your statement is supportable.

I believe great care must be used when suggesting whether or not someone is in a state of mortal sin or not. When there is a doubt, I always suggest confession.

However, one must always be conscious on these internet forums of both tom-foolery as well as those suffering from scrupulosity. Neither appears to the be case here, but one cannot know with this small amount of information.
 
well, I knew I would get a reply like those above and I will and can go to confession, the only problem is that I cant make it there for another month and I dont want this feeling of guilt there that long. As for the sin, it is not masturbation but I guess a more minor form…I wanted to avoid this detail but considering theres really no way to do that without not getting an answer. I woke up and as is common for some males upon awaking, I was sexually aroused and I figured out when I moved a certain way, I could derive some measure of pleasure from this. As I stated above, I thought this may be a mortal sin but then I did it anyways one more time. The only reason I have doubts on whether or not I commited this sin was because I feel like after I briefly reflected on the fact that it was probably a mortal sin, I did it but I feel like it was more compulsive then anything and I did not want to commit this sin.😊 Now you can see why I did not want to go into detail…
 
Hi! We are all sinners! Satan wants you to feel guilty about that which you have already confessed. He also wants to keep you from confession. It is vanity to think you are above sin. It is by grace and God’s divine mercy we are able to trust in his love for us. Always remember, Peter denied Christ three times and was made head of the Holy Catholic Church. Focus on God’s love and mercy and not on your failings and guilt.

Once I missed Mass because I was visiting someone in jail ( the only time to visit him) and I didn’t do enough research to insure I wouldn’t miss Mass. I thought there was Mass in one of the towns I would be dirving through then drove by the turn by mistake and then didn’t turn back when I realized I had missed the turn. It was late. I couldn’t believe I did this! I went to confession asap I am still not entirely sure how much was under my direct control but I did miss Mass and this is a sin.

There are times when we are partly responsible for a sin and only God knows how much of what we did was under our direct control. I sometimes confess for whatever part of the ommission I was guilty for even if it is miniscule. Then I trust and rejoice in God’s forgiveness.

I hope this helps! God loves you! smcl
 
liquid1187 said:
well, I knew I would get a reply like those above and I will and can go to confession, the only problem is that I cant make it there for another month and I dont want this feeling of guilt there that long. As for the sin, it is not masturbation but I guess a more minor form…I wanted to avoid this detail but considering theres really no way to do that without not getting an answer. I woke up and as is common for some males upon awaking, I was sexually aroused and I figured out when I moved a certain way, I could derive some measure of pleasure from this. As I stated above, I thought this may be a mortal sin but then I did it anyways one more time. The only reason I have doubts on whether or not I commited this sin was because I feel like after I briefly reflected on the fact that it was probably a mortal sin, I did it but I feel like it was more compulsive then anything and I did not want to commit this sin.😊 Now you can see why I did not want to go into detail…
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Okay, this is different. What you described seems fairly minor. However, unless you engaged in it for a long time, even if you did not climax, that may have crossed the line.

As for not being able to get to confession for a month, where are you? Are you not going to Mass every week? You can usually just walk up to any priest and ask him to hear your confession, you do not have to wait until the scheduled times. You can go to any Catholic priest, he does not have to be one at your parish.

But whatever the reason, pray the Act of Contrition and mean it!

I have some very important follow-up questions.

Tell me, are you often concerned that you commit many other sins? Are you confident that all your sins are forgiven in the confessional? Do you frequently wonder if something is sinful? Not just about this type of sin, but about your sins in general.
 
yeah, I know I do have some of the signs of being scrupulous such as thinking that the priests I talk to are wrong on some issues. I almost always assume the worst regarding sins that can be mortal and venial, especially detraction, not honoring my mom and a few more.
 
Go to a priest. Confess. Regardless of what anyone writes here, including myself, only a priest can absolve you, and discerene the level of sin committed, as they are acting in the person of Christ though the sacrament. This is the only way you will feel relief and absoluton. I know. I’ve asked questions about confession on here before, and despite what the wonderful kind and knowledgeable people here told me, there is really no substitute for simply going to confession, talking it over with a preist, and moving on from there.

God Bless
 
CreatioNova said:
Go to a priest. Confess. Regardless of what anyone writes here, including myself, only a priest can absolve you, and discerene the level of sin committed, as they are acting in the person of Christ though the sacrament. This is the only way you will feel relief and absoluton. I know. I’ve asked questions about confession on here before, and despite what the wonderful kind and knowledgeable people here told me, there is really no substitute for simply going to confession, talking it over with a preist, and moving on from there.

God Bless
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This was well said. Thank you. 👍
 
rpp said:
Emphasis is mine.

Referring to the highlighted text, I do not believe you or anyone else can make such a statement. The OP did say it was a grave matter, knew it was grave, thought about it, and did it anyway. The “formula” for moral sin appears to be present. Only God has the insight to know if there are any mitigating circumstances.

With this little bit of information, I do not believe that your statement is supportable.

I believe great care must be used when suggesting whether or not someone is in a state of mortal sin or not. When there is a doubt, I always suggest confession.

However, one must always be conscious on these internet forums of both tom-foolery as well as those suffering from scrupulosity. Neither appears to the be case here, but one cannot know with this small amount of information.
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That’s precisely what happens when you take a text out of context. You obviously did not read my entire post and your reply indicates this clearly. In your first paragraph you state that the OP has all of the necessary criteria for mortal sin. “The “formula” for mortal sin is present.” Who do you think that you are?? You condemn me for doing exactly what you just did…🤷 Why don’t we both stick to what we BOTH said and leave it up to a priest… It really burns me when someone will ignore my WHOLE post and pull something totally out of context. GREAT JOB!!!..teachccd
 
rpp said:
Okay, this is different. What you described seems fairly minor. However, unless you engaged in it for a long time, even if you did not climax, that may have crossed the line.

As for not being able to get to confession for a month, where are you? Are you not going to Mass every week? You can usually just walk up to any priest and ask him to hear your confession, you do not have to wait until the scheduled times. You can go to any Catholic priest, he does not have to be one at your parish.

But whatever the reason, pray the Act of Contrition and mean it!

I have some very important follow-up questions.

Tell me, are you often concerned that you commit many other sins? Are you confident that all your sins are forgiven in the confessional? Do you frequently wonder if something is sinful? Not just about this type of sin, but about your sins in general.
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Boy, you sure have opinions of judgment for one who pointed a finger at my post. Are you a priest??
 
teachccd said:
That’s precisely what happens when you take a text out of context. You obviously did not read my entire post and your reply indicates this clearly. In your first paragraph you state that the OP has all of the necessary criteria for mortal sin. “The “formula” for mortal sin is present.” Who do you think that you are?? You condemn me for doing exactly what you just did…🤷 Why don’t we both stick to what we BOTH said and leave it up to a priest… It really burns me when someone will ignore my WHOLE post and pull something totally out of context. GREAT JOB!!!..teachccd
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Peace.

I did indeed read you entire post.

I only changed my initial response after the OP provided more information. It became unclear with this later information whether this was grave matter or not. We were both responding to the initial post, which was vague.

Nor did I lift anything out of context. I quoted your entire post, but focused on one portion which I felt to be problematic. I did not condemn you. In my response I urged caution because we only had a little bit of information at that time. When that changed, my response, logically, changed. It became clear that we may be dealing with what I speculated in my post, the possibility of scrupulousness.

No one attacked or insulted you, least of all me.
 
rpp said:
Peace.

I did indeed read you entire post.

I only changed my initial response after the OP provided more information. It became unclear with this later information whether this was grave matter or not. We were both responding to the initial post, which was vague.

Nor did I lift anything out of context. I quoted your entire post, but focused on one portion which I felt to be problematic. I did not condemn you. In my response I urged caution because we only had a little bit of information at that time. When that changed, my response, logically, changed. It became clear that we may be dealing with what I speculated in my post, the possibility of scrupulousness.

No one attacked or insulted you, least of all me.
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Neither one of us is qualified to make this determination for the OP. Let’s both stop pretending. He needs the confessional as we all do. That’s where his discernment should be made and not on a public forum. Your guessing is also problematic and should be avoided. I was insulted and only I should know that but I will accept your apology if that is what your post suggests…

Peace be with you also and God Bless…teachccd
 
liquid1187 said:
well, I knew I would get a reply like those above and I will and can go to confession, the only problem is that I cant make it there for another month and I dont want this feeling of guilt there that long. As for the sin, it is not masturbation but I guess a more minor form…I wanted to avoid this detail but considering theres really no way to do that without not getting an answer. I woke up and as is common for some males upon awaking, I was sexually aroused and I figured out when I moved a certain way, I could derive some measure of pleasure from this. As I stated above, I thought this may be a mortal sin but then I did it anyways one more time. The only reason I have doubts on whether or not I commited this sin was because I feel like after I briefly reflected on the fact that it was probably a mortal sin, I did it but I feel like it was more compulsive then anything and I did not want to commit this sin.😊 Now you can see why I did not want to go into detail…
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I second going to confession. Reflect on it until you get a chance to go again. 👍
teachccd said:
Neither one of us is qualified to make this determination for the OP. Let’s both stop pretending. He needs the confessional as we all do. That’s where his discernment should be made and not on a public forum. Your guessing is also problematic and should be avoided. I was insulted and only I should know that but I will accept your apology if that is what your post suggests…

Peace be with you also and God Bless…teachccd
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:hug1: :hug3: :grouphug:
 
Meanwhile,

Liquid, can you tell us why it will be so long before you will be able to get to confession Are you in a remote area? Do you not have access to priest?

Remember, while you are waiting, please try to pray the act of Contrition. That can help. Ask the Blessed Virgin Mary for strength. She has never failed anyone.

And when you are confronted by temptation, Father Corapi suggests a “spiritual 9-1-1”.

Pray the Memorare 9 times.
Pray the Hail Mary 1 time.
Pray the Our Father 1 time.

God bless you.
 
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