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latinmasslover
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Says your particular Protestant view. There are denominations that deny that.
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ElizabethAnne
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His parents vowed at their wedding to raise their children Catholic, not to raise them in two faiths and let them figure things out for themselves. I really don’t believe that submitting children to different ideologies and letting them “choose” later is a good plan. It creates a lot of confusion for the child, and it goes against the promises the OP and his wife made to God at their wedding.We are talking about a child attending a church with his mother, and not being forced to choose between his parents until he is older. That is what you find so abominable. Methodism is not “another religion” but a [defective, from the Catholic point of view] form of Christianity.
I do not want to derail the thread, but Edwin, I was very struck by this comment. If you believe the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, what is holding you back from being Catholic? And if you really believe that the Bread contains the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord, would you not understand why the Catholic Church reserves receiving communion to those who believe?I am quite aware that according to the teaching of the Catholic Church one cannot receive communion in a non-Catholic Church if one is a Catholic. If this were not the case, I would have become Catholic long ago. However, in other respects it is quite possible to participate in a Methodist congregation without violating any teaching of the Catholic Church.
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rr1213
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You’re the one saying that a Catholic commits mortal sin by merely attending a Protestant service. If this is true, it should be reflected in the CCC and you should be able to prove the assertion from there.Vatican II did not define any dogma, as the post V-II popes have said. Therefore you look to previous Councils to discover the teachings. The same for the Catechism. You show me in the Catechism where it says it is okay to participate in Protestant worship services.
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rr1213
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No Christian denomination denies that Jesus is God.Says your particular Protestant view. There are denominations that deny that.
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rr1213
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So you’d be more upset if he became a Protestant than an atheist!?! You’d rather he have NO part of the truth than to have only PART of the truth as expressed in the Protestant bodies? It appears that you really do hate Protestants. I’m sorry for you.I would be gravely dissapointed if my son became an atheist, I would disown him if he became a protestant.
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latinmasslover
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Actually, Protestantism is so divided that, yes, some do. You could say that they’re not Christian if that’s their assertion, but then where’s your authority to say that? The Bible? They use the Bible to defend that belief.No Christian denomination denies that Jesus is God.
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lukewarm
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If he became an atheist while young I would chalk it up to typical teen or young adult angst and rebellion. Once he married and had a child he would find his way back to the Catholic faith. By becoming protestant he would do it so as to inflict as much pain as possible on his family and for that he would no longer be welcome at our families table to upset his mother and probably give his grandmother a coronary.So you’d be more upset if he became a Protestant than an atheist!?! You’d rather he have NO part of the truth than to have only PART of the truth as expressed in the Protestant bodies? It appears that you really do hate Protestants. I’m sorry for you.
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rr1213
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Do you live in Ulster?If he became an atheist while young I would chalk it up to typical teen or young adult angst and rebellion. Once he married and had a child he would find his way back to the Catholic faith. By becoming protestant he would do it so as to inflict as much pain as possible on his family and for that he would no longer be welcome at our families table to upset his mother and probably give his grandmother a coronary.
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latinmasslover
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Like I said, this issue isn’t emphasized in the CCC. Jesus didn’t touch up on every OT issue unless a change was required. If you’re going to say it’s okay, then you show me in the Catechism where past morality on this issue was thrown out and “revised.” I have nothing to prove, as what I’ve said is backed up by Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition, Saints, popes, and Ecumenical Councils. Unless it’s changed it remains the same and does not *have *to be reiterated, although it should be. So, YOU show us all where YOUR assertions are supported in the Catechism, and try not to take anything out of context this time.You’re the one saying that a Catholic commits mortal sin by merely attending a Protestant service. If this is true, it should be reflected in the CCC and you should be able to prove the assertion from there.
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latinmasslover
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Very well put:thumbsup:If he became an atheist while young I would chalk it up to typical teen or young adult angst and rebellion. Once he married and had a child he would find his way back to the Catholic faith. By becoming protestant he would do it so as to inflict as much pain as possible on his family and for that he would no longer be welcome at our families table to upset his mother and probably give his grandmother a coronary.
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rr1213
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You’re the Catholic. Show it from the CCC or admit that you can’t. Moreover, show me a post–just one single post–where I have taken something out of context. Garbage.Like I said, this issue isn’t emphasized in the CCC. Jesus didn’t touch up on every OT issue unless a change was required. If you’re going to say it’s okay, then you show me in the Catechism where past morality on this issue was thrown out and “revised.” I have nothing to prove, as what I’ve said is backed up by Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition, Saints, popes, and Ecumenical Councils. Unless it’s changed it remains the same and does not *have *to be reiterated, although it should be. So, YOU show us all where YOUR assertions are supported in the Catechism, and try not to take anything out of context this time.
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lukewarm
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Right below Ulster…Do you live in Ulster?
County that is…
In beautiful Goshen NY
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I’m surprised. I’d have thought that you were smack in the middle of the “troubles” and everything they stand for with respect to Catholic hatred of Protestants and Protestant hatred of Catholics.Right below Ulster…
County that is…
In beautiful Goshen NY
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lak611
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Do you have any proof that people who become atheist automatically revert back to the Catholic Church, whereas people who become Protestant do not? Where is your evidence?If he became an atheist while young I would chalk it up to typical teen or young adult angst and rebellion. Once he married and had a child he would find his way back to the Catholic faith. By becoming protestant he would do it so as to inflict as much pain as possible on his family and for that he would no longer be welcome at our families table to upset his mother and probably give his grandmother a coronary.
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blacktiger057
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Religion is very different than falling out of a tree, making an abortion, or lending peple guns. The difference is that religion is something that everyone feels very close to. We need it in our lives. It is personal.Your 12 year old son falls out of a tree and breaks his leg but doesn’t want medical attention, you approve yes? Your seventeen year old daughter gets pregnant and wants an abortion, you support her? Your 40 year old brother wants to kill himself, you loan him your gun? I didn’t think so. A soul is more valuable than the body as the Holy Scriptures say. If a Catholic does not raise his or her child in the Faith, but lets him go his own way, that parent is guilty of sin, and the poor choices of the child that are made.
If someone controlled what I believed and I wasn’t allowed to practice what I truly believed, then yes, I might one day be the 40 year old asking for someone to lend him a gun.
Religion can be the most important thing in someone’s life. You should let everyone make their own choices. Then you’ll see who they truly are, instead of what they are forced to be.
My parents raised me Catholic. I’m not Catholic. My parents want me to come back. They didn’t sin. It was my own personal choice. And, who are you to say what makes a sin? That is entirely up to God. Personally, though it isn’t a sin to have free will. God gave us it. There is no ‘right’ religion. Everyone has different spiritual needs. It is my own choice. If the Christian God is real, a God who claims to love everyone, and chooses to send me to hell, then take me there! Why would I want to be in the presence of an eternal lier, truly the ultimate deception force? I only say this because you persist that hell is real. If it wasn’t, I’m sure, since God knows us better than anyone, that he woujld understand all the choices I made and know they were made out of love.
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Rachel_Malloy
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This is a very heated topic. Please remember to double check your posts for charity and content. Also make sure your post is on topic prior to hitting submit.
Thank you and God bless-
Rachel
Thank you and God bless-
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latinmasslover
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Repetition, what a beautiful thing. You can’t tell me to prove every iota of the Catholic Faith from a very ambiguous Catechism. That’s like be telling you to support Christian theology ONLY through the Gospel of St. Mark. “I don’t care what Sts. Matthew, Luke, John, Peter, Paul say, prove it through St. Mark or you have no grounds.” This is your constant argument; it doesn’t work. Just as the Gospels share similar information, each one contains info. that the others do not have. Did Jesus not give the Blessed Virgin to the Beloved disciple because it isn’t recorded in the other three? Jesus says to cast out those who refuse to listen to the Church in the Gospel of St. Matthew; does this mean it isn’t true because the other three writers didn’t record it? Similarly, you will not find every Roman Catholic opinion clearly taught in the recent Catechism, just like not every doctrine was summed up at Vatican II, just like some popes have different focuses, like some saints encourage different devotions. Not contradictory, just not emphasized. I don’t think I can put this in a clearer way. The CCC is “Protestant friendly,” and therefore doesn’t touch up on the issue we were discussing. I’ve already admitted, more than once, that this issue is lightly touched upon in the CCC, and even then it’s very ambiguous. Previous Church Councils, popes, Saints, and Catechisms are very clear, and have not been condemned by the Church. so unless you can find a Church document or Saint that supports taking someone to a heretic community, and quote it, quit arguing.You’re the Catholic. Show it from the CCC or admit that you can’t. Moreover, show me a post–just one single post–where I have taken something out of context. Garbage.
About taking things out of context, see post 86. (this is assuming that you in fact took it out of the CCC, which you didn’t happen to specify).
The fact remains that the father, who promised God to raise his children Catholic, as did his wife, has no business doing something that the Church has forbidden, and with good reason.
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latinmasslover
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Ex-Catholic, aka, apostate. That explains your animosity toward the Church. You know, you really shouldn’t tell any Catholic that they’re wrong on a Church issue unless you’re able to back it up with Church doctrine. BTW, what is your current religion?Religion is very different than falling out of a tree, making an abortion, or lending peple guns. The difference is that religion is something that everyone feels very close to. We need it in our lives. It is personal.
If someone controlled what I believed and I wasn’t allowed to practice what I truly believed, then yes, I might one day be the 40 year old asking for someone to lend him a gun.
Religion can be the most important thing in someone’s life. You should let everyone make their own choices. Then you’ll see who they truly are, instead of what they are forced to be.
My parents raised me Catholic. I’m not Catholic. My parents want me to come back. They didn’t sin. It was my own personal choice. And, who are you to say what makes a sin? That is entirely up to God. Personally, though it isn’t a sin to have free will. God gave us it. There is no ‘right’ religion. Everyone has different spiritual needs. It is my own choice. If the Christian God is real, a God who claims to love everyone, and chooses to send me to hell, then take me there! Why would I want to be in the presence of an eternal lier, truly the ultimate deception force? I only say this because you persist that hell is real. If it wasn’t, I’m sure, since God knows us better than anyone, that he woujld understand all the choices I made and know they were made out of love.
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rr1213
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Ok, you can’t prove it from the CCC. If you could, you’d have done it by now.Repetition, what a beautiful thing. You can’t tell me to prove every iota of the Catholic Faith from a very ambiguous Catechism. That’s like be telling you to support Christian theology ONLY through the Gospel of St. Mark. “I don’t care what Sts. Matthew, Luke, John, Peter, Paul say, prove it through St. Mark or you have no grounds.” This is your constant argument; it doesn’t work. Just as the Gospels share similar information, each one contains info. that the others do not have. Did Jesus not give the Blessed Virgin to the Beloved disciple because it isn’t recorded in the other three? Jesus says to cast out those who refuse to listen to the Church in the Gospel of St. Matthew; does this mean it isn’t true because the other three writers didn’t record it? Similarly, you will not find every Roman Catholic opinion clearly taught in the recent Catechism, just like not every doctrine was summed up at Vatican II, just like some popes have different focuses, like some saints encourage different devotions. Not contradictory, just not emphasized. I don’t think I can put this in a clearer way. The CCC is “Protestant friendly,” and therefore doesn’t touch up on the issue we were discussing. I’ve already admitted, more than once, that this issue is lightly touched upon in the CCC, and even then it’s very ambiguous. Previous Church Councils, popes, Saints, and Catechisms are very clear, and have not been condemned by the Church. so unless you can find a Church document or Saint that supports taking someone to a heretic community, and quote it, quit arguing.
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