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Lapell
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Yes, and it’s quite clear from the Gospels that there is a Son of God. NO middle ground. Sorry!
And this is where we stand. What is there else to say?
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And this is where we stand. What is there else to say?
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inJESUS
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which is quite clear that the author is not God because the title has been used for thousands of years, and Jesus never said it is wrong…we’d be the first to point it out if it were a “corruption” but a true prophet does not question God’s words…yet this is not the problem. The problem is that the Quran gives wrong theological reasons, if they can be put on the level of theology in the first place.
How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything.
Say the Jews and Christians, ‘We are the sons of God, and His beloved ones.’ Say: 'Why then does He chastise you for your sins? No; you are mortals, of His creating; He forgives whom He will
very curious argument from a supposed all-knowing deity since it does not follow that just because God chastises individuals this proves that these persons are not his spiritual children. In fact, the reverse is true:
Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you." Deuteronomy 8:1-5
“My son, do not despise the LORD’s discipline and do not resent his rebuke, because the LORD disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in.” Proverbs 3:11-12
but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." Hebrews 12:5-11
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent." Revelation 3:19
They say, ‘God has begotten a son.’ God forbid! Self-sufficient is He.
self-sufficient means he doesn’t need a woman.Besides, the true God knows that Son of God has nothing to do with self-sufficiency because God does not need Word/Wisdom, God HAS Wisdom/Word. The author obviously had no clue about the Christian theology.
Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is. 19:35
Allah does not need to beget a son the way men have children, with a wife .He can just say ‘Be.’
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. 72:13
Again, sex.
Allah said, “The son of Adam tells a lie against me though he has no right to do so, and he abuses Me though he has no right to do so. As for his telling a lie against Me, he claims that I cannot recreate him as I created him before; as for his abusing Me, it is his statement that **I have offspring. No! Glorified be Me! I Am far from taking a wife or offspring.” **(Bukhari)
I think anyone reading the above can in no way come to the conclusion that an all-knowing deity uttered them…it was a human, and a confused one.
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Sister_Amy
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Yes, and it’s quite clear from the Gospels that there is a Son of God. NO middle ground. Sorry!
And this is where we stand. What is there else to say?
I’m glad you are able to see things for what they are.
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swariffin
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Dear Kadeveri,
That is good, and that is how to interpret any holybooks, which cannot be done by looking at one verse in isolation. So, next time I see my muslim brothers in this forum should also understand this golden rule; Cannot interpret any single verse in the bible at one verse in isolation.
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Chris_LaRock
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Can’t these verses be understood on their own?
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
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Delta2
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That’s interesting
can you explain why in Arabic the word BUT and (He is above such things.) should be interpreted in another way ?
Can you be more specific ?
It makes me remember this verse :
“This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs” (Quran 10:92)
IN YOUR BODY
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BADANI means BODY as well as SHIELD, and the correct translation should be :
This day shall We project you with your shield on a bulge in order that you may be a sign to those who come after you
The same way “farasi wa badani” , means “my horse and my shield”
Clever reinterpretations, that can me caught by a Arabic speaker
can you explain why in Arabic the word BUT and (He is above such things.) should be interpreted in another way ?
Can you be more specific ?
It makes me remember this verse :
“This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs” (Quran 10:92)
IN YOUR BODY
bi-badanika
BADANI means BODY as well as SHIELD, and the correct translation should be :
This day shall We project you with your shield on a bulge in order that you may be a sign to those who come after you
The same way “farasi wa badani” , means “my horse and my shield”
Clever reinterpretations, that can me caught by a Arabic speaker
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