Son of Satan?

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Is there any mention in the New Testament or in Catholicism, or Christianity in general, of the Son of Satan? Would he be thought of as the anti-Christ, perhaps? Or is he only a character in Marvel Comics, as well as the newborn in the film “Rosemary’s Baby”?
 
Well, the Bible does talk about the Antichrist but it doesn’t say he’s devil’s son or that the devil has one. I think the origin of the Antichrist being the devil’s son arose from people’s later assumptions…but I don’t know :confused:

And if he’s the devil’s son who’s his mom? :confused:

As you can see we’re all confused on this matter :sad_yes:

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
Well, he is a Marvel character (Satan is also apparently as profligate as Zeus, as he has a daughter in the Marvel comics as well as Rosemary’s Baby and the kid in The Omen) but the son of Satan in Dark Horse comics (and the movies) is Hellboy, who is a good guy and also a Roman Catholic (like his creator, Mike Mignola) who fights evil and says the Rosary. The theology is a little suspect, but hey, it’s nice to see another Catholic hero in pop culture.

Despite testimony to the contrary from many teachers within our public school system, I don’t think there is any evidence of satanic offspring, The concept of Satan (or any fallen angel) having a son seems more than a little Manichean, as Evil cannot create but only pervert, but folklore is full of such creatures (the wizard Merlin was said to be the offspring of such a union) known as Cambions, and theologians such as St. Thomas Aquinas believed in the possibility of incubi and succubi who could cause pregnancy through the use of “borrowed” generative material by switching bodies from male to female as they visited their human partners (From the Summa Theologica: “Still, if some are occasionally begotten from demons, it is not from the seed of such demons, nor from their assumed bodies, but from the seed of men, taken for the purpose; as when the demon assumes first the form of a woman, and afterwards of a man; just so they take the seed of other things for other generating purposes.”), so who knows?
 
Jesus spoke about the Children of Satan in John 8

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word. You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8: 42-44)
We are the son of Satan when we sin. We are the sons of the devil when we willingly carry out his desires. We are the sons of God when we love Jesus Christ and carry out Jesus’ desires.

-Tim-
 
Is there any mention in the New Testament or in Catholicism, or Christianity in general, of the Son of Satan? Would he be thought of as the anti-Christ, perhaps? Or is he only a character in Marvel Comics, as well as the newborn in the film “Rosemary’s Baby”?
No. That’s just Hollywood.

TimmyH in post 4 gave a good answer.
 
Is there any mention in the New Testament or in Catholicism, or Christianity in general, of the Son of Satan? Would he be thought of as the anti-Christ, perhaps? Or is he only a character in Marvel Comics, as well as the newborn in the film “Rosemary’s Baby”?
Jesus says to the Pharisees:

Matth 23:31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets.
Matth 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Matth 5:11 Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake:
Matth 5:12 Be glad and rejoice for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

Luke 11:47 Woe to you who build the monuments of the prophets: and your fathers killed them.
Luke 11:48 Truly you bear witness that you consent to the doings of your fathers. For they indeed killed them: and you build their sepulchres.
Luke 11:49 For this cause also the wisdom of God said: I will send to them prophets and apostles: and some of them they will kill and persecute.

Taking into account that Jesus is a Prophet (and something more):

John 8:37 I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father.
John 8:43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

These children, it is said in the psalms, went astray from the womb, speaking lies. In that sense, there are many sons of the devil (and daughters.). The characteristic of them is that they lie and murder those who speak the truth.
So, there are many “sons of the devil”; and there is at least one whom has/and or will rise to such great power that he shall threaten the very existence of the church; St. John begins speaking to the churches in this way, some ~1990 years ago, now.

Revel 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth and heareth the words of this prophecy: and keepeth those things which are written in it. For the time is at hand.

In his coded/visionary text, St. John speaks of the Matyrs that the sons of the devil has slain; saying:

Revel 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
Revel 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (Holy and True), dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revel 6:11 And white robes were given to every one of them one; And it was said to them that they should rest for a little time till their fellow servants and their brethren, who are to be slain even as they, should be filled up.

So, it is clear that those slain by these sons of the devil are pleasing to God; their blood is counted at the altar – and the altar is the place where things are given to God by Man; and the blood of the victims is used to free some from their sins by cleansing them. In this case, these martyrs, who died in various places on earth – bring evidence of the full greatness of the devil’s son’s doing – and so they are part of witnesses which shall eventually condemn the Father of these sons to a hell of damnation; and they also bring blood (life) with them which is given both save some people who are on earth, and destroy others.
(cont’d)
 
Jesus did say that the Pharisees “did the works of their father the devil.” And in one passage Paul called the Antichrist the “son of perdition.”

language geekiness on

Bear in mind that unlike Arabic, Hebrew (and perhaps Aramaic, I’m not sure) had no easy way of forming adjectives. So to describe people as being #^&(ish, people of that culture would say that they were “sons of #^*(.” Thus, for one example, fiery, rash-thinking James and John were “sons of thunder.”

language geekiness off
 
Revel 8:7 And the first angel sounded the trumpet: and there followed hail and fire, mingled with blood: and it was cast on the earth. And the third part of the earth was burnt up: and the third part of the trees was burnt up: and all green grass was burnt up.

The particular images used in the text are visionary – and not literal. Some wisdom is required to decipher God’s message to St. John. For that reason, people who don’t know much scripture are easily misled about “the Son” of Satan, for there are many; But St. John’s vision appears to indicate that there is at least one son who will rise in power in a spectacular way – though he is little more than the normal sons of the Devil in how he acts:

Revel 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the abyss shall make war against them and shall overcome them and kill them.
Revel 11:8 And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord also was crucified.
Revel 11:9 And they of the tribes and peoples and tongues and nations shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres.

But, as you can see, the evil ones of this latter day appear to Know Jesus’ condemnation of building monuments to the prophets by those who killed them – yet they prevent even their burial, which is itself more evil than their fathers; for Jesus spoke what he did about the Pharisees in terms allowing for the potent(ial) piety lies that a monument gives; not about the burial of the dead which is a kindness.

Although the anti-Christs, (anti-prophets, for Christ means the annointing chrism/oil of a prophet, really ), are spoken of here in plural – John’s prophecy starts talking about them in the singular; like it does here:

Revel 13:4 And they adored the dragon which gave power to the beast. And they adored the beast, saying: Who is like to the beast? And who shall be able to fight with him?
Revel 13:5 And there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies: and power was given to him to do, two and forty months.
Revel 13:6 And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his tabernacle and them that dwell in heaven.
Revel 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

It is because of this greatness of power, and singularity of figure, that many believe there will be a pent-ultimate anti-christ; Revelation 13:18 points to the total value of his name: 666 (or 665 in some other languages, rather than Greek); And people have great fun trying to assign this number to people all over the world; sometimes even accusing “MICROSOFT” of adding up to that number… (I just Checked, it came out to 694) ‘BILLGATES’ is 663 – so they’re close, but not it…:rolleyes:.

But one man’s name adds up to 666 in Greek, and 665 in another language – and that was the Roman Emporer, “Nero”. As John said at the beginning, “the time is at hand” – Nero is very likely who revelation meant ,for John couldn’t say his name without incurring a death sentence; So John numbered him, instead.

Revelation, 20, is confusing to many people for the two periods of “a thousand years” is a measure of time people identify with what is now happening on earth and we are now 11 years past the second of those; – but the text also speaks about the first “resurrection”, which is something that will not happen until Earth itself is to be destroyed and no more are left to be saved; So this “anti-christ” comes at the very end of the world.

Scripture tells us that “a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day” to God. And Jesus also said that NO one knows when the world will end, not even He himself (as a man); but only the Father in Heaven. So, it is a mistake to take the time given in revelation as revealing when the end of all worlds will come; Revelation’s prophecies alone may point to times 1000years times 365 ‘days’; or more than 365,000 years in our time. 😉 ( Anyone care to pack food and supplies for 'Armageddon early? )

At least, the next possible interpretation of Revelation (and there could be MORE!) is a long way off compared to us; and unless a man will live for thousands of years, and medical science gets there soon, this particular (imaginary) anti-christ isn’t alive today; but even so, there are many sons of the devil (small ones) who were alive in Jesus’ day, and there are many alive in ours as well; but they probably don’t look supernatural to us, since raising from the dead today is common, using CPR; Whereas, in Jesus’ day – it was not common. And so, these signs which were wonderful then – are not so wonderful now. But, none the less, many Catholics are murdered every year because of their religion; and so the blood of the altar in heaven is still accumulating.
 
The question is perhaps slightly literalistic.

Whenever a bodily member of mine is insurgent against the Lex Naturalis, it is a “Son of Satan.”

I am a “Son of Satan” when the egoistic passions pulling under the soul overcome me…

The present aeon is a “son of Satan” when only Lovelessness exists in it…

Satan is primarily a metaphysical Presence or “Energy”, only secondarily some type of tangible person-like being with human-like senses, choosing to corporealize in different circumstances…

–Separate issue: Aquinas on angelic “miscegenation”:

Augustine inclined to the affirmative that demonic angels are capable of sexual relations with women–not the “angels of God” however.

Both Augustine and Aquinas affirmed demonic evil spirits are capable of entering into corpses, or making new bodies out of the natural elements.

Pope Benedict XIV, in De Servorum Dei Beatificatione, stated nearly all theological authorities affirmed the possibility of demonic copulation, but there was no unity of consensus as to whether actual miscegenation resulting in hybrid offspring could result; and if such intermingling existed, the details and actions by which “mutants” might result are mysteric, theorizing the manner of generation probably of an “unusual way not ordinarily known to men.”

Pope Innocent VIII and Bonaventura also affirmed human-devil sexual coupling was possible.

~All of this indirectly leads to the problem of the bene ha Elohim–the “Watchers”, or “Sons of God”…the Grigori…and the Nephilim…

Is there a quasi-official doctrine or teaching on these subjects–the Watchers, the Grigori, and the Nephilim…and the meaning of all this mysteriousness?
 
Thank you all so much for your informative and detailed responses! The specific scriptural passages are greatly appreciated.
 
St. Irenaeus, Demonstration, 18:

“And wickedness very long-continued and widespread pervaded all the races of men, until very little seed of justice was in them. For unlawful unions came about on earth, as angels linked themselves with offspring of the daughters of men, who bore to them sons, who on account of their exceeding great were called Giants. The angels, then, brought to their wives as gifts teachings of evil, for they taught them the virtues of roots and herbs, and dyeing and cosmetics and discoveries of precious materials, love-philtes, hatreds, amours, passions, constraints of love, the bonds of witchcraft, every sorcery and idolatry, hateful to God; and when this was come into the world, the affairs of wickedness were propagated to overflowing, and those of justice dwindled to very little.”
 
Tatian, 2 *Apology *5:

"God committed the care of men and of all things under heaven to angels whom He appointed over them. But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by the love of women, and begat children who are those who are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and the punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they were enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate deeds, and all wickedness.”
 
St. Irenaeus, Demonstration, 18:

“And wickedness very long-continued and widespread pervaded all the races of men, until very little seed of justice was in them. For unlawful unions came about on earth, as angels linked themselves with offspring of the daughters of men,”
This is suggested by the symbol the Devil came under in the Garden of Eden; eg: the Serpent; for the serpent was a wide-spread fertility symbol used in many pagan sexual/orgy type rituals. For a more benign example, the crown of the Pharaoh – also was a serpent. The remedial act of Jesus on the Cross (opening his side, as another Adam) in order to bring forth a wife of non-sexual origin (The bride of the Lamb, Revelation) replaces a body of sin with new flesh, that is pure and untainted by intermixture with the devil. eg: The living conditions of those in heaven is without any more sexual union – but only com-union, ( Mormon golf Jokes aside…:rolleyes: )

As far as church teaching goes, the issue that requires attention doctrinally, is that God forms the spirit of each new child without sin; therefore the body inherits original sin in some mysterious way. St. Irenaeus, in English, says “linked” – rather than “begot”; and “bear to them children” may be a surrogate reference rather than a procreative one. (And as such is appropriate, for that is a sin in its’ own way and mirrors Cain’s generation from Adam by Eve, but with the devil’s inclinations. ).

Although Angels, being spirits, have the ability to form a “body”; eg: from dirt, corpse – (eg: a presumed corrupt rather than incorrupt corpse is likely necessary) – , or whatever material (unspecified) that they manipulate – none the less, it is their spirit which forms it in the angelic appearances and not a “new” one. Although an angel may form a hand, face, or other (genital?) in their appearance – as such, these physical items do not in and of themselves guarantee that they mimic man’s body and soul such as to be able to “create” new offspring, or force God’s hand in supplying a new soul; (an open question.)
" who bore to them sons, who on account of their exceeding great were called Giants. The angels, then, brought to their wives as gifts teachings of evil, for they taught them the virtues of roots and herbs, and dyeing and cosmetics and discoveries of precious materials, love-philtes, hatreds, amours, passions, constraints of love, the bonds of witchcraft, every sorcery and idolatry, hateful to God; and when this was come into the world, the affairs of wickedness were propagated to overflowing, and those of justice dwindled to very little."
So, that, what we have here may amount to as little as a mother giving to her child habits that allow for the child becoming possessed by advertising the child’s availability to demons; the actual father of the child still being human. And various medical practices that made the children of larger than normal proportions – were only evil, in as much, as they were being put at the disposal of demons rather than God.

A consistent reference, though, in these texts is that “makeup” is not something that pleases God in a woman – but rather, let her disposition as a christian/jew/etc. shine forth a beauty which makeup can not give. cf. Esther ; Daniel (vegetables), etc.

I’ll have to look at the original language of St. Irenaeus, to see what he used to mean “linked” but this is an interesting point that touches on modern in-vitro, and potential gay/lesbian cloning of children issues…
 
Is there any mention in the New Testament or in Catholicism, or Christianity in general, of the Son of Satan? Would he be thought of as the anti-Christ, perhaps? Or is he only a character in Marvel Comics, as well as the newborn in the film “Rosemary’s Baby”?
…hollowoodsy spiritualism; Scriptures speak of those who align themselves with Satan and will end up in hell, which was created for Satan and his followers; Scriptures also speak about the anti-Christ–both as Satan and his angels and those who reject Christ… but Satan is much too selfish to allow another creature to share in his power–the closest is found in Apocalypse where the ancient dragon, the Serpent, and Satan come into collusion against God, the children of God, and the two Witnesses… but even then there’s no hollowood connection!

Maran atha!

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