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carlysrose
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If sons of God are angels, then at what point in history did THE Son of God become God incarnate?
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Neil_Anthony
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at the annunciation
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carlysrose
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Please provide a quote. Thanks
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Neil_Anthony
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From wikipediaPlease provide a quote. Thanks
The Incarnation of Christ is a central Christian doctrine that God became flesh, assumed a human nature, and became a man in the form of Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the second person of the Trinity. This foundational Christian position holds that the divine nature of the Son of God was perfectly united with human nature in one divine Person, Jesus, making him both truly God and truly man. The theological term for this is hypostatic union: the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God the Son, became flesh when he was miraculously conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary.[6] Biblical passages traditionally referenced in connection with the doctrine of the Incarnation include John 1:14 and Philippians 2:7-8.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation
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carlysrose
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I mean from the Bible, so that we can all actually read it.
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Neil_Anthony
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Luke 1:26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called** the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”
38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.**
29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called** the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”
38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.**
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carlysrose
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I don’t see God incarnate in any of those verses.
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Neil_Anthony
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John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14** The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.** We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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Neil_Anthony
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Phillipians 2:7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature** of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!**
by taking the very nature** of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!**
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cornbread_r2
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Adoptionism was an early view of Jesus that held that he became the adopted Son of God at his baptism.
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Robertanthony
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I read on here not long ago that Jesus’ soul was incorporated 4 months into Mary’s gestation, so roughly 2012 years and a half years ago would be my answer IF Christ had been born in the year zero, which many believe he wasn’t.
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philial
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Can you provide a quote for that? What do you mean by ‘Jesus’ soul’? Doesn’t sound quite Christian… some gnostic gnonsense gno doubt!
I am aware that Aqunias seemed to believe in ‘ensoulment’, but I dont think the Church agrees, which is the basis for the anti-abortion stand.
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Robertanthony
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=645007&highlight=bl.+emmerich see post #8 (sorry, I can’t quote a single post, if you know kindly PM me). It’s three months into the pregancy rather than the 4 months originally believed, my bad. It’s from private revelation to Blessed Anne Emmerich so you’re free to accept it or not, personally not having interest in anything gnostic, I haven’t made up my mind whether it was at the instant of conception or later on in the pregnancy, I’ll wait till I get perfect tuition on these matters when/if I enter Heaven. That’s for Christ, for the rest of us I believe that a soul is there pretty much at the moment of conception.
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carlysrose
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I do not believe it is Gnostic. I have read Gnostic texts, and they are not much different from the canonized Gospels.
I do know, however, that the idea that the soul being infused at 4 months is in Indian tradition, at least in Sikhism.
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philial
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No, that’s fine. Thanks. I did a wee bit of research on Bld Anne Emmerich. It turns out that her visions were set in writing herself, but by a poet, who interviewed her, and wrote his books ten or so years after the interview with Bld Anne. Also, he was only able to take basic notes because he didn’t understand the dialect Anne spoke! So, it may have been a misunderstanding, or a misinterrutation!
The writings did not form part of Anne’s cause, and were not instrumental in her being made a Blessed.
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Robertanthony
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Thanks for enlightening me, philial. Have a good day.
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