Soul for Aliens?

[mangy_dog]

Come again? Satan asked God for more power and more time for the obvious purpose of corrupting more souls and God, who, according to scripture, wants all to be saved, granted this request to Satan?

Is this officially documented somewhere or is this part of some private revelation?

The vision by Pope Leo XIII after saying private mass. After the vision he composed the prayer that should be said after every mass but that after Vatican II has been left out.

Sancte Michael Arcangele, defende nos in proelio
contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli, esto praesidium.
Imperet illi Deus, suplices deprecamur
tuque princeps militae caelestis
Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos
qui ad perditionem animarum
pervagantur in mundo.
Divina virtute in infernum detrude, Amen.

Yes officially documented - yes, private revelation - yes, after Vatican II, Sancte Michael Arcangele prayer faded away.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[johnco]

hi,

there are no aliens we are quite alone in the universe.
there is God, angels, demons, and us.

 

[Hastrman]

We are made in the image and likeness of God. Would it be an accurate assumption that if aliens do not appear human, then they do not have a soul and that if they did appear human, then they did have a soul?

You’re assuming God only wants images in one artistic style, so to speak.

For all we know, He might like abstract self-portraiture, or even kemonomimi self-caricature, like some Japanese cartoonists.

 

[mangy_dog]

hi,

there are no aliens we are quite alone in the universe.
there is God, angels, demons, and us.

Brilliant and to the point.

I could not have said it better myself.

Thank you John.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[fhansen]

hi,

there are no aliens we are quite alone in the universe.
there is God, angels, demons, and us.

No offense and I could care less if God made the whole universe just for us or for others as well, but why would you necessarily think it was just for us?

 

[mangy_dog]

No offense and I could care less if God made the whole universe just for us or for others as well, but why would you necessarily think it was just for us?

My apologies for jumping in here, I’m sure Johnco will answer your thread sooner or later. But your question begs an answer. I’m sure you’ve pobably heard of the Drake equation which theorizes that due to the inmensity and infinity of the universe, the chances of another earth-like planet increase exponentially and concludes (theoretically) that there must be thousands upon thousands of earth-like planets…out there.

Then there’s the little known Anthropic theory. I just heard of it a few months ago. In my estimation it is a little more “concrete” than the Drake equation. It states that planet earth, with its perfect atmosphere, rotation, revolution, fauna & flora, life sustaining - perfect distance from the sun, out of danger from other celestial bodies, the moon…just the right size for eclipses etc etc etc. is such a rarity in the known universe. And the amount of cosmic time that has had to transpire for the existence of a planet like ours…millions upon galactic millions of [earth years] for God to bring about a universe that appears to our intelligence exactly as we percieve it and all this just to create an enviroment ideally suited for the creation of man. So that he would not only survive but thrive on this planet.

The other guy made it sound a lot better than what I’ve done here
For God so loved the world that He gave His only son to become a random exponential equation of theoretical possiblities…

No. He became man.

Lucifer on the other hand would plan to befuddle our conciousness with thoughts of other worldly intelligences, living a utopic and idyllic existence - travelling thru the universe un-hindered by space/time. With pormises of self-salvation thru technology beyond our wildest imaginings.

I’ll end my rantings with what Johnco said - in this universe there is the Triune God with His celestial court, Lucifer and his fallen angels and man with all the creatures of earth.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[fhansen]

I’ll end my rantings with what Johnco said - in this universe there is the Triune God with His celestial court, Lucifer and his fallen angels and man with all the creatures of earth.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

Well, ok, I guess-but all that is highly theoretical except the part about satan wanting to befuddle us. Other then that it would seem that since God doesn’t dance to anyone else’s tune and lacks nothing when it comes to power, and since there’s probably an awful lot of unknown universe out there, it should be awfully difficult to predict with any confidence whether or not beings like us exist anywhere else. That just my take on it-but I’ve been known to be wrong once or twice.

 

[mangy_dog]

Well, ok, I guess-but all that is highly theoretical except the part about satan wanting to befuddle us. Other then that it would seem that since God doesn’t dance to anyone else’s tune and lacks nothing when it comes to power, and since there’s probably an awful lot of unknown universe out there, it should be awfully difficult to predict with any confidence whether or not beings like us exist anywhere else. That just my take on it-but I’ve been known to be wrong once or twice.

I wish I could tell you about the different catholic prophecies that talk about this very subject such as the the various apparitions (approved and unapproved) of the BVM, prophecies of different saints and mystics that warn against this line of thinking which detracts from the supernatural realm of God.
Unfortunately even the approved ones are believed or accepted by a handful of catholics only. Seeing these “things” (flying saucers)in our atmosphere and everywhere on earth makes it difficult to concile our views about “life elsewhere in the universe” with the thought of a singularly unique planet created by God.
Lucifer’s great delusion or great lie has to do with this subject…the rabbit hole goes very much deeper. It is best to stick with the sound doctrine.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[fhansen]

It is best to stick with the sound doctrine.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

I’m not trying to be argumentative but while I’ve never believed in the UFO stuff and, like I said before, don’t care a bit whether life exists elsewhere, I wasn’t aware that doctrine spoke to such things. Anyway, either way works for me.

 

[jimmy85]

As an ufologist, I am more than sure that the Aliens or UFOs are spiritual being. I base myself in the message of people that have claimed that they were contacted by UFOs, the contacties claimed that UFOs stress the urgent need of spiritual growth for mankind.

 

[johnco]

hi,

if you are looking for actual numbers, e.g. chances of life developing, please see fr. thomas dubay’s book, 'the evidential power of beauty". avail. at ignatius press.the subtitle of this book is “science and theology meet”.

imagine, if the Word had to redeem other planets, how many blessed mothers would we need? how many queens of heaven?

there is God, angels, demons, and us.

God bless,

johnco

 

[mangy_dog]

I’m not trying to be argumentative but while I’ve never believed in the UFO stuff and, like I said before, don’t care a bit whether life exists elsewhere, I wasn’t aware that doctrine spoke to such things. Anyway, either way works for me.

I understand. The sound doctrine is the Holy Scriptures…the Lord thru His Word and His church will guide us to the truth.
The truth is in there…

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[mangy_dog]

As an ufologist, I am more than sure that the Aliens or UFOs are spiritual being. I base myself in the message of people that have claimed that they were contacted by UFOs, the contacties claimed that UFOs stress the urgent need of spiritual growth for mankind.

The contactees are seeing real, nuts and bolts “transports”. The message is deception, aimed at a pseudo-benign awareness of “other-worldly” ways apart and independent from the truth of Jesus Christ and His salvific plan.

To be dabbling in the UFO phenomenon with a murky understanding of it, is to dabble in the occult.

It is best to know that the phenomenon is real, but is in no way important to our salvation.

I (personally) recommend reading the “Directives from Heaven”.

Stick with regular confession ( I suggest once a month)
Communion (attend weekly mass
Rosary (daily)
Contemplation

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum

 

[Hastrman]

if you are looking for actual numbers, e.g. chances of life developing, please see fr. thomas dubay’s book, 'the evidential power of beauty". avail. at ignatius press.the subtitle of this book is “science and theology meet”.

imagine, if the Word had to redeem other planets, how many blessed mothers would we need? how many queens of heaven?

there is God, angels, demons, and us.

That’s one interpretation; there are others–Christ could have redeemed all men (rational animals) at once, you know. Ontologically, as I’ve said again and again and again, all rational animals are humans, just as all self-mobile life forms are animals. One no more necessarily needs to be biologically a Homo Sapiens than one needs to be ethnically a Jew.

As to the “actual numbers” for the chances of life developing, it is impossible to calculate the odds of something you’ve only seen once and don’t understand well at all. We have a sample-size of one (1) life-bearing planet with exactly one (1) kind of life on it. The number of things we don’t understand about this life, let alone any other kinds of life that may be possible, render it ridiculous to think we can even speculate at this point.

 

[jimmy85]

The contactees are seeing real, nuts and bolts “transports”. The message is deception, aimed at a pseudo-benign awareness of “other-worldly” ways apart and independent from the truth of Jesus Christ and His salvific plan.

To be dabbling in the UFO phenomenon with a murky understanding of it, is to dabble in the occult.

It is best to know that the phenomenon is real, but is in no way important to our salvation.

I (personally) recommend reading the “Directives from Heaven”.

Stick with regular confession ( I suggest once a month)
Communion (attend weekly mass
Rosary (daily)
Contemplation

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum

I agree the thing is that Ufos dont seem to want to intervene with our free will at all. So people misunderstand their messages and opt for the occult in many times.

About God redeming other civilizations and plantes, it is plausible, remeber God tried to redem mankind using covenants first. So maybe this civilizations were redemed in a similar way.
but I agree with Hastrman with the fact that all rational animals are humans, and with the fact that we cant really speculate about this at this point.

 

[mangy_dog]

I agree the thing is that Ufos dont seem to want to intervene with our free will at all. So people misunderstand their messages and opt for the occult in many times.

About God redeming other civilizations and plantes, it is plausible, remeber God tried to redem mankind using covenants first. So maybe this civilizations were redemed in a similar way.
but I agree with Hastrman with the fact that all rational animals are humans, and with the fact that we cant really speculate about this at this point.

Jimmy,

I pray for discernment in your heart and your intellect. I promise you, there are no technologically advanced (or otherwise)civilizations “out there”.
UFO’s and their occupants do not and never have had our best interest in mind.
They are “transports” but they do not come from other planets.
About the intervention part, they have and continue to intervene in human affairs with deceptive and selfish goals.

Stick to the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Catholic Church
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Malperdy]

We are made in the image and likeness of God. Would it be an accurate assumption that if aliens do not appear human, then they do not have a soul and that if they did appear human, then they did have a soul?

There may be some useful discussion in my earlier thread “The Great Silence” in this same forum.

In a posting on that thread I asked if there was a theological argument against the existence of intelligent (that is, ensoulled) aliens.

I think there may well be one. If so, your question would need no answer.

Malperdy.

 

[I_like_Mike]

I agree the thing is that Ufos dont seem to want to intervene with our free will at all. So people misunderstand their messages and opt for the occult in many times.

About God redeming other civilizations and plantes, it is plausible, remeber God tried to redem mankind using covenants first. So maybe this civilizations were redemed in a similar way.
but I agree with Hastrman with the fact that all rational animals are humans, and with the fact that we cant really speculate about this at this point.

I have seen a few strange things in my time. That is what tweaked my interest in science. Only M theory looks at some of the ‘occurrences’ and like the ghost in the machine explanation for conscious thought has very little to say overall on the matter.

The thing about living in a physical world is that it is physical. We have barriers houses for our thoughts. Every living thing has an energy signature, every living thing. Only human beings have one that will last eternity. It is possible to remove the physicality but what is not certain is how quickly the energy of all that creeps and crawls, slithers or flies, swarms or swims the unknown depths would linger, but not eternal.

Before many events such as earthquake or volcano there have been records of a disturbance among animals and birds. We do not have their sensitivity and they do not have our strength.

So while you have the opportunity feed your mind on the living word, read the Bible and pray. That is what we are taught.

 

[catholic2]

Can’t believe I’m responding to a post in the Philosophy forum.

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(I hope I have this part right) My pet dog has a “soul” but it’s not an immortal soul like mine. When her body dies her spirit and memories, etc, will cease to exist. Her soul was not created in the image and likeness of God.

Well, join the crowd. We sometimes find ourselves in unfamiliar places. My take on your pet dog, is that it does not go out of existence, for God loves his creation and is not willing that it go out of existence. Here is a quote that addresses this in the CCC:

**301 **With creation, God does not abandon his creatures to themselves. He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, enables them to act and brings them to their final end. Recognizing this utter dependence with respect to the Creator is a source of wisdom and freedom, of joy and confidence:
For you love all things that exist, and detest none of the things that you have made; for you would not have made anything if you had hated it. How would anything have endured, if you had not willed it? Or how would anything not called forth by you have been preserved? You spare all things, for they are yours, O Lord, you who love the living.

 

[joseph_virgen]

aliens belong right up there with greek mythology. it makes little sense to discuss it, as they did not have people to testify to their existence.