You can’t dedect your mind or delight or thought etc by a machine! Do you not have these senses?We could detect soul if soul act on body. We haven’t found anything yet so what you are suggesting cannot be true.
When you are talking about brain as a interface then you are framing human in Cartesian dualism which we know has problems, one of them is interaction problem.Then you could not talk to anyone or learn from anyone, since the brain is the interface that makes intelligible objects into material expression. And when it is old and dying, it is no longer capable of being used in this way by the soul, and so we can no longer talk to you or hear you.
Chemicals can manifest themselves to a state which consciousness emerges. In fact, thoughts pop up inside your conscious mind which means that they are constructed somewhere else, inside your brain. Therefore thoughts also constructed by your brain so what is left?As to your answer to hasantas: We can detect the soul the same way we track wild animals, not by seeing or touching them, but by looking at the results of their being present after they have run away. I know you have a soul because thoughts are appearing in your consciousness, sometimes fully formed with no effort, and coming through your fingertips to your keyboard and onto the screen. The chemicals and materials that make the brain cannot think or type. They are the same elements in a living person and a person just deceased. Yet one is having thoughts and the other is not. Same chemicals and elements. But one is animated and one is not. One is moved to thought but one is not moved to thought.
In fact you can detect thought this days. You can read this article. This is a quote from the article (section Neuronal prediction of free will):You can’t dedect your mind or delight or thought etc by a machine!
Despite criticisms, experimenters are still trying to gather data that may support the case that conscious “will” can be predicted from brain activity. fMRI machine learning of brain activity (multivariate pattern analysis) has been used to predict the user choice of a button (left/right) up to 7 seconds before their reported will of having done so.
What senses?Do you not have these senses?
Of course you can detect gravity. Just leave an apple in the air and it falls down. That is gravity. You cannot see it by you can detect it.There is gravity, do you believe? But there is no any detector which could dedect gravity as a physical essence or a subatom particle!
We cannot detect soul otherwise it become physical.There is something which cannot be dedected but they have some moral or other type existence.
The soul is the seat of the will and intelligence. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote in the Summa Theologica, I, Question 76. The union of body and soul, Article 8. Whether the soul is in each part of the body?This is really difficult to me to believe that there is no life after death. Soul is believed to be animator of body but with the recent scientific progress in area of neurobiology it becomes more and more clearer as time passes that the animator of body is only brain. We know that any damage can affect our beings even our identity. People use medicine to cure many psychiatric maladies. The scientists can read our decision in advance and influence them (wiki). So everything to me seems physical, the result of neurobiological process. What is the use of neurobiological process in our brain otherwise? What is the use of soul?
Dark matter exists because we observe a deviation in what expected to be the correct rotation of a galaxy based on observable matter. For what regards brain, there is always a correlation between malfunction of brain and the specific area of damage. Therefore that is brain which produces specific functioning, like rational thinking, etc. For what regards string theory, it is not accepted as a correct theory because it predicts particles which does not exist in reality. Therefore the string theory is not a correct theory.Non detection in physics is a regular thing. By using your logic dark matter doesn’t exist, and it is rightfully admitted that particle strings in string theory may never be detected with our current physics. Not detecting soul just means the tech isn’t there yet.
You of course need a specific configuration of matter if you want to build up conscious thing.I can also ask you to show me non living matter that is conscious to prove me wrong, but you can’t.
We all know that we are the result of and an egg and a sperm which is simply chemical and not conscious yet we as a result of this mixture are conscious therefore matter could become conscious.You could forge an excuse, say we haven’t built the right equipment yet or science hasn’t gotten there. This is also faith. The idea is you, myself, and many others can only speculate.
With all due respect I am not here to troll. I am just looking for an answer to my question.I admit that but from your posts you don’t. Again another reason I believe you are trolling people with this thread.
I am sorry but we need to argue in order to find the answer or convince each other.I have given this a bit of thought I’ll be inscribing to this thread. I have read it again you really aren’t looking for answers, you are her just to argue.
I am sorry but I don’t understand how what you explained could be related to this thread.The soul is the seat of the will and intelligence. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote in the Summa Theologica, I, Question 76. The union of body and soul, Article 8. Whether the soul is in each part of the body?
Objection 4. Further, all the powers of the soul are rooted in the essence of the soul. If, therefore, the whole soul be in each part of the body, it follows that all the powers of the soul are in each part of the body; thus the sight will be in the ear, and hearing in the eye, and this is absurd.
Reply to Objection 4. Some of the powers of the soul are in it according as it exceeds the entire capacity of the body, namely the intellect and the will; whence these powers are not said to be in any part of the body. Other powers are common to the soul and body; wherefore each of these powers need not be wherever the soul is, but only in that part of the body, which is adapted to the operation of such a power.
newadvent.org/summa/1076.htm#article5
Catechism of the Catholic Church, glossary, soul:
The spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature. Each human soul is individual and immortal, immediately created by God. The soul does not die with the body, from which it is separated by death, and with which it will be reunited in the final resurrection.
The soul exists. And we observe that beings are alive due to the presence of the soul.Dark matter exists because we observe a deviation in what expected to be the correct rotation of a galaxy based on observable matter. For what regards brain, there is always a correlation between malfunction of brain and the specific area of damage. Therefore that is brain which produces specific functioning, like rational thinking, etc. For what regards string theory, it is not accepted as a correct theory because it predicts particles which does not exist in reality. Therefore the string theory is not a correct theory.
I am sorry but this theory does not really add anything to our knowledge of truth. The hylemorphic dualism is an attempt to bring soul, which should be there because they believe that we have eternal life, and matter together in order to describe human being. Here we are however discussing whether soul has any functioning in our daily life which cannot be explained by matter alone. So far there is not a real good argument in favor of that.The soul exists. And we observe that beings are alive due to the presence of the soul.
Soul = the animating principle of live. This is fact. Without a soul something is not living.I am sorry but this theory does not really add anything to our knowledge of truth. The hylemorphic dualism is an attempt to bring soul, which should be there because they believe that we have eternal life, and matter together in order to describe human being. Here we are however discussing whether soul has any functioning in our daily life which cannot be explained by matter alone. So far there is not a real good argument in favor of that.
CCC said:5 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.
With all due respect I am not here to troll. I am just looking for an answer to my question.
Many answers were offered but you reject them all. Convince each other? It seems you want only to convince everyone else. I’m out.I am sorry but we need to argue in order to find the answer or convince each other.
The body is a machine much like a computer. Without an outside agency it cannot fully function. The body can be animated but it cannot function as a human being (i.e. hope, respect, trust,experience joy, believe, love, comprehend beauty and the higher things of life) without an animating mechanism. We believe God supplies that mechanism by instilling in a human being, His image and likeness, an immortal soul. An inorganic, independent, energizing entity. A noted Catholic author once said, “a body without a soul is a corpse, a soul without a body is a ghost.”This is really difficult to me to believe that there is no life after death. Soul is believed to be animator of body but with the recent scientific progress in area of neurobiology it becomes more and more clearer as time passes that the animator of body is only brain. We know that any damage can affect our beings even our identity. People use medicine to cure many psychiatric maladies. The scientists can read our decision in advance and influence them (wiki). So everything to me seems physical, the result of neurobiological process. What is the use of neurobiological process in our brain otherwise? What is the use of soul?
Another thought. Let’s for a minute accept that there is no soul. Then what autonomous, homeostatic function of the human body, particularly the brain, could make value judgments regarding, say, the killing of another human being, or whether roses smell good and skunks smell bad? How could the brain, devoid of any mechanism of value judgment realize that a kitten was cute and cuddly, and a rattlesnake isn’t. Without a mechanism for moral judgment, a simple organic entity without a soul could only make value judgments based on either conditioning or instinct. That would be a mere animal, and certainly not a fully functioning human being. The human brain is a massive computer, but like all computers, it cannot make moral or ethical value judgments on its own.I am sorry but this theory does not really add anything to our knowledge of truth. The hylemorphic dualism is an attempt to bring soul, which should be there because they believe that we have eternal life, and matter together in order to describe human being. Here we are however discussing whether soul has any functioning in our daily life which cannot be explained by matter alone. So far there is not a real good argument in favor of that.
St. Thomas Aquinas addresses what you asked in the first post:I am sorry but I don’t understand how what you explained could be related to this thread.