Souls in Purgatory have it BAD!

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I just learned that for every mortal sin we committed in life, we must multiply that times 7 years in purgatory. Not only that, the pain in purgatory is so intense that 15 minutes there feels like 1 year.
catholickingdom.com/Cathedral/Poor%20Souls/sub_pages/time_duration.html

What a horrible fate…

Eternal Father,
I offer thee the most precious blood of thy divine son Jesus,
In union with the masses said throughout the world today,
for all the holy souls in purgatory,
for sinners everywhere,
for sinners in the universal church,
those in my own home and within my family.
 
Well, I don’t know where they came up with the 7 year figure, but there are souls doomed to be in Purgatory until the end of the world. Wow, indeed.
 
NeedsMercy said:
Well, I don’t know where they came up with the 7 year figure, but there are souls doomed to be in Purgatory until the end of the world. Wow, indeed.
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INDEED, wow indeed, but compared to eternity in Hell?
 
This is really terrible! Now it is a question if these stories are reality. At least, it is our responsibility to pray, pray, pray for these souls
 
It’s websites and stories such as this that give Catholicism a bad name and cause for others to mock it.
 
I don’t know about the accuracy of these statements. However, I would NOT doubt the concept one bit!!!

Padre Pio talked about how the fires of Purgatory burn MUCH hotter than regular fire! He said it’d be like comparing regular water to BOILING WATER!

St. Faustina, who was with Divine Mercy, said there were something like 6 different reasons why Purgatory (or hell fire) is SO painful. Well, I remember some of it. She said normally, in a fire, on earth, the pain, eventually is lessened since your nerves die and cease to feel it. However, that doesn’t happen in Purgatory or hell.

Further, she said the emotional suffering of Purgatory, being separated from God is the worst part of the entire experience! She said that, in itself, was unbearable!

Actually, if anything, this website would only UNDERESTIMATE Purgatory, or hell, in my opinion!

Purgatory is real, and no joke. We need to create a greater awareness of the seriousness of it.

Just about a month ago on the forum, someone wrote in saying he/she would “gladly” suffer Purgatory, in order to have the pleasures of life! Now, I thought, “There’s a person who has no earthly idea what it’s like!” If he had, he NEVER would have made a statement like that! Good grief!

My father just died. Every single day, I make a point to pray for his soul, and on occasion, I offer masses, as well. I also pray Divine Mercy as well as a chaplet specifically for people in Purgatory.

A number of my siblings have lost their way and gotten into sects and heresies, unfortunately. One did a eulogy that quoted scripture on a job well done. Another said about how she, and yet another sibling are convinced my father is now in heaven. However, since I’m Catholic, I believe in Purgatory and that not everyone gets to heaven.

I doubt my other siblings even pray for my father’s soul, and that scares me. They don’t realize what Purgatory is like! If they did, they would be on their knees daily, hourly, to help not only our father but everyone!

So, to the original poster, I don’t know how they came across those figures, but I admire the idea of your trying to create an awareness of Purgatory. We desperately need that right now…due to the sects…our modern times. We have forgotten all about it and all the numerous souls trapped there! Thanks for reminding us to pray for them, constantly!
 
StMikhael said:
It’s websites and stories such as this that give Catholicism a bad name and cause for others to mock it.
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It is very easy to mock what one does not understand, but that is not a reason to stop trying to spread the truth to others; in fact, it should encourage us to do more to help others learn.
 
Skyhighblue34 said:
I just learned that for every mortal sin we committed in life, we must multiply that times 7 years in purgatory. Not only that, the pain in purgatory is so intense that 15 minutes there feels like 1 year.
catholickingdom.com/Cathedral/Poor%20Souls/sub_pages/time_duration.html

What a horrible fate…

Eternal Father,
I offer thee the most precious blood of thy divine son Jesus,
In union with the masses said throughout the world today,
for all the holy souls in purgatory,
for sinners everywhere,
for sinners in the universal church,
those in my own home and within my family.
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Sorry that you think the souls are suffering. I would find s better website though

it would feel like 364,000 years. That is a very long time. The earth hasn’t been around that long and neither has Purgatory. The earth is much old that the amount of years that is stated on this website.
 
Skyhighblue34 said:
I just learned that for every mortal sin we committed in life, we must multiply that times 7 years in purgatory. Not only that, the pain in purgatory is so intense that 15 minutes there feels like 1 year.
catholickingdom.com/Cathedral/Poor%20Souls/sub_pages/time_duration.html

What a horrible fate…

Eternal Father,
I offer thee the most precious blood of thy divine son Jesus,
In union with the masses said throughout the world today,
for all the holy souls in purgatory,
for sinners everywhere,
for sinners in the universal church,
those in my own home and within my family.
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first the ideas of years in purgatory is an old concept and no longer used in the Church. This mostly has to do with indulgences. They use to have 10 days off purgatory, 1 year, etc.

also its problematic to say that every mortal sin = certain time in purgatory, because the mortal sin is forgiven and the temporal punishment due to sin is also forgiven if you confess the mortal sin.

The Church believes that they who call saints are those who didn’t go through purgatory. If Augustine went straight to heaven than the 1 mortal sin goes to 7 years is false.
 
one other thing I believe is that those in purgatory have hope because they know that this purifying will be worth it and after it is done they for all eternity will praise the Lord in heaven. That hope alone would make purgatory bearable
 
Loving_disciple said:
Sorry that you think the souls are suffering. I would find s better website though

it would feel like 364,000 years. That is a very long time. The earth hasn’t been around that long and neither has Purgatory. The earth is much old that the amount of years that is stated on this website.
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Not only the earth is older than that, human life is somewhat older than 364000 years.

So there has been a Purgatory at least that long.

ICXC NIKA
 
Eternal Father,
I offer thee the most precious blood of thy divine son Jesus,
In union with the masses said throughout the world today,
for all the holy souls in purgatory,
for sinners everywhere,
for sinners in the universal church,
those in my own home and within my family.

:crossrc:***
 
I would read what the catechism has to say about this. I’m not so sure about this and by saying that, I’m pretty sure this isn’t the case. We simply don’t know. And we should be ok with that. 😉
 
I concur:

The content of the website referenced (and its story from “a Poor Soul in Purgatory”) doesn’t reflect official teaching. It may very well be that the author of the website received from private revelation from a Soul in Purgatory but that revelation has not been made known to us and is not binding upon us.

Let’s look at the official teaching on Purgatory (paragraphs from the Catechism):
  • Each soul is destined for either Heaven or Hell (1022). There is no indication that souls will remain in Purgatory eternally.
  • There is assurance of salvation for all who die in God’s Grace and Friendship (1030). Purgatory is a way-station of final purification.
  • Purification is distinct from punishment that is reserved for those condemned (1031).
The concept of time in Purgatory is problematic - yes we have historically stated that there are so many days given for a specific indulgence, but we cannot know for how long we are to be separated from God while we await our purification and final admittance to Heaven. However, we trust in the Word - that our Lord Jesus Christ saves us by His Grace, and that He will deliver us. The Purgatory, while necessary and no matter how long-endured, will deliver all who enter within it to the very gates of Heaven, and that none shall be lost who die in the Friendship of the Lord.

I’ll reiterate - I find deeply problematic any revelation obtained from a spirit who claims to be a soul in Purgatory; we have no reason to believe that such should be able to appear before us, and we are to test all such Spirits, apparitions, signs and messages. It is not impossible for the enemy to use such a guise in order to frighten, distract or discourage the Christian heart. Indeed, if we read such a website and come away with the lie that a soul in Purgatory might never see Heaven, we are being deceived.
 
catholictiger said:
first the ideas of years in purgatory is an old concept and no longer used in the Church. This mostly has to do with indulgences. They use to have 10 days off purgatory, 1 year, etc.

also its problematic to say that every mortal sin = certain time in purgatory, because the mortal sin is forgiven and the temporal punishment due to sin is also forgiven if you confess the mortal sin.
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I just wanted to correct a mistake you seem to have written: Confession remits the *eternal *punishment due to sin, but *not *the temporal punishment.

So, say Bob commits *and is guilty *of a mortal sin. He is headed towards an eternity in Hell. This is the eternal punishment. When he goes to Confession, he will no longer be headed toward Hell.

However, just because God has forgiven him doesn’t mean that there are no results from the sin which need to be cleaned up. Those results which need to be cleaned up are what merit us Purgatory and are called the *temporal *punishment.
The Church believes that they who call saints are those who didn’t go through purgatory. If Augustine went straight to heaven than the 1 mortal sin goes to 7 years is false.
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I think the sentence in the document regarding 7 years for a mortal sin was just an example. The writing is not entirely clear, and certain concepts are not explained, so it seems a little confusing to someone without the requisite background, like the knowledge that the time periods in reference to Purgatory are metaphorical which you explained.
 
Just extending a thought of the prior poster:
St_Francis said:
However, just because God has forgiven him doesn’t mean that there are no results from the sin which need to be cleaned up. Those results which need to be cleaned up are what merit us Purgatory and are called the *temporal *punishment.
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Temporal punishment may also be “cleaned up” (appropriate term) via penance and indulgences. This is stated inasmuch in CCC 1478, and it is also stated in the Baltimore Catechism, Q.219, that penance may not remit all temporal punishment. I do not know if a bright line - theological, philosophical or otherwise - has been established to say whether and when penance completely removes the temporal effects of sin. We certainly know that a good Confession removes all eternal punishment due to sin.

Though we cannot know for certain, it may not be possible to avoid Purgatory altogether. If we begin with the assumptions:
(1) There are at least some souls in Purgatory.
(2) There are at least some souls in Heaven.

Then we can reason:
(a) At least some souls may avoid Purgatory altogether OR
(b) Purgatory has a finite duration

I think we may be able to show from Tradition that both (a) and (b) are true. It is most cautious to assume you will, upon your death, spend some time in Purgatory, and it is therefore expedient to live in Christ’s Friendship, praying for the souls in Purgatory as well as those on Earth as well as for your own self and soul. Maintain your faith and stay in Grace at all times, that you will never suffer Hell. If you find yourself spending time in Purgatory, by careful preparation may it be brief; and if you immediately set foot in Heaven, you receive your reward by Christ’s own work. Either way are you blessed.
 
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

†

Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Amen.

†
 
Where do they get the idea for Purgatory, and how can they possibly know how it works (7 years for every mortal sin)? Is it anywhere in the Bible, and did Jesus ever even mention Purgatory?
 
St_Francis said:
I just wanted to correct a mistake you seem to have written: Confession remits the *eternal *punishment due to sin, but *not *the temporal punishment.

So, say Bob commits *and is guilty *of a mortal sin. He is headed towards an eternity in Hell. This is the eternal punishment. When he goes to Confession, he will no longer be headed toward Hell.

However, just because God has forgiven him doesn’t mean that there are no results from the sin which need to be cleaned up. Those results which need to be cleaned up are what merit us Purgatory and are called the *temporal *punishment.
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let me be clear confession removes 3 things, guilt, debt of punishment (I explained the word wrong earlier), and the inclination to sin.

guilt for all sin no matter if it is confessed or not is removed.

debt of punishment is removed for sins you confess and the priest gives you a pence for. Let’s say that someone confesses becoming drunk (this is the example used in the article) the guilt for that sin is removed in confession, the priest gives the penance of 10 hail marys once he finishes those hail marys the pays the debt so to speak when he does his penance for all the sins he confessed. Any sins that he didn’t confess still have a debt. One of the ways to pay of this debt is through indulgences. Someone who goes to purgatory has no mortal sin and but still has a debt to pay. Refer to the scriptures when it speaks about paying the last penny. This is what it is talking about debt of punishment

last is inclination to sin, when you sin it becomes easier to sin again, you are not able to resist temptations as you did before. This can never send to hell or even purgatory but it is forgiven when you confess it.
I think the sentence in the document regarding 7 years for a mortal sin was just an example. The writing is not entirely clear, and certain concepts are not explained, so it seems a little confusing to someone without the requisite background, like the knowledge that the time periods in reference to Purgatory are metaphorical which you explained.
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but the time period is not my biggest issue with what is said. The idea that someone once they sin adds up a time sheet in purgatory is incorrect. What you have to understand is that when you hurt someone you have to be forgiven by that person but you also have to repay that person for what you did to them (at-least Anselm describes it this way) Every time we in against God we owe a debt to him. This is why purgatory exists, to remove the debts that we owe to God for our sinfulness and our impurities due to venial sin.

My issue isn’t that they put a time on it, it is rather that it reads as though you can’t be forgiven for the debts due to sin and this isn’t in line with the Church. It is entirely possible that someone after living 60 years of a sinful life and never going to confession and directly before his death he has a conversion. This person is baptized, which I believe removes all three effects of sin without question, this person through the grace of God would skip right over purgatory and go straight to heaven. Even if he built up a debt of 100,000,000 years of purgatory. This is the beauty of the truth that our Church teaches, God wants to heal us and I believe he wants to do it before we die not during purgatory, but he doesn’t want to take away our free will and for many people, actually for most people as Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said, won’t be completely free from all sin and debt of punishment before their death. Instead of sending most people to hell, he rather allows us to go through purification before coming to heaven, to repay those debts that are unpaid after we die.

I think I got this correct sorry for the confusion

but my main objection to this article it is ignores the idea about debt of punishment that is preached by the Church since at-least Aquinas. Indulgences can removed ALL the debt of punishment due to sin. It is possible for someone to receive a plenary indulgence before their death and have ALL debt removed from the consequences of sin. Assuming before they die they don’t have any venial sins they should I believe go straight to heaven.
 
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