Sounds like Jesus is saying he is not God

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I have read this passage in the bible which really left me stumped, more over a muslim questions me about it and now my girlfriend is questioning me and i don’t really know what to say to them.

In Matthew 19:16-17
19:16. And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting?,
19:17. Who said to him: Why askest thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If Jesus is God why can’t one ask him about good?

I have also asked a priest in regards to this and his response was not the answer i was looking for, it wasn’t the confort or closure i need to convince me, he said Jesus did not want to reveal himself
at that point of time and to also keep in mind that he had two natures. Now i know Jesus held off telling his disciples and everyone who he really was and also of his two natures but this has not stopped Jesus saying that he and the father are one, and if we have seen him we have seen the father.

I hope someone can enlighten me…

Thanks
Michael:D
 
Remember that traditional Jews grumbled against Jesus for such things as declaring the sins of the paralytic forgiven - which was seen as a prerogative of God alone. Further, when he said that he existed before Abraham was born, his enemies threatened to stone him.

The ONLY outright statements of his divinity (such as the Transfiguration and the ‘who sees me sees the Father’ statements - which if you remember was to Phillip) prior to the Crucifixion were made to the apostles privately. This was for very good reason. His life and ministry would have come to a sudden and very premature end had he wandered around announcing to the world that he was God incarnate.

He certainly didn’t DENY his divinity to anyone - not even when he said ‘God alone is good’. Essentially he IS asking the young man to believe that he is God and is good 😃

But, just as with his parables, and with his ‘bread of life’ statements of John 6, only those with the ears to hear were ready for some explanations and concepts, so he didn’t speak more plainly.
 
Hi

1 We must remember that the Holy Scriptures is both Divinely Inspired (God as the Final Author) and Human (Written by human authors utilizing all his God given faculties)

2 Likewise Jesus has 2 natures - Divine & human.

3 When Jesus walked the earth he directed the people to God.

4 After Jesus’ resurrection, the early church communities started to reflect Jesus’ Passion, death & Resurrection and came to the reliazation that Jesus Is LORD (God)

5 As the Church developed the “CHURCH” is understood a “Mystery” empowered by the Holy Spirit and Light of the Nations - Lumen Gentium V.C. II.

6 Remember also that the New Testament Gospels were Not written until around 20 yrs after the death & resurrection of Christ.

7 It is the Church that determined the Inspired Gospels to adopt in the official Canon. (Only 4 were adopted from numerous other Gospels…)

8 Thus whenever a gospel text is quoted it is importand to ask:
WHAT ELSE DOES SCRIPTURE SAY & WHAT DOES IT MEAN? (We must respect the Culture of the people at the time of writing and meakings of the ORIGINAL texts)

9 The Synoptic gospels are Gospel from below - Low christology
The Gospel according to John is Gospel from above.- High Christology. - Numerour texts form this Gospel refers to the Divinity of Christ.

10 Reading Gospel according to Mark bear these 2 Themes in mind a) Who is Jesus: b) What does it take to be a disciple?
It is written to a Community of persecuted Jewish Christians and focussed on the “Suffering Messiah” which will comfort their own situation.
Matthew is a Gospel of “Church” - Prophesies fulfilled and particularly diredted to the Jewish Community.
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  Luke writes the Gospel of Salvatio is for Everyone.
Jesus takes special concern for the poor, women-folks and the marginalised.
John writes that “You may belief” and have “Life in abundance”

We also find the in general, healing accounts to the less priviledged and the humble; while his Parables;teachings directed to the “Higher Society-Intellectuals”

God Bless
 
I see Jesus’ response as a testing of the man. Notice Jesus doesn’t say, “I am not God”. He asks the man why he calls Jesus good, and specifies that only God is good.

“Do you believe that I am God, because only God is good?” And the man doesn’t for he re-addresses his question without saying “good teacher”.
 
You’d have to reconcile the notion that Jesus is disputing His Godhood with the statements he makes in the Gospel of John:

“Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.” Which prompted the Jews to try and stone Him. Why? Because the Jews knew who “I AM” is - Yahweh, as God addressed Moses when He sent him to Pharaoh. “Tell them I AM sent you”.
 
Jesus was not denying His own deity, but was providing the man with an opportunity to say, “That’s why I call You good—You are God.”

He forced the young man to think seriously about the word good that he had used in addressing Jesus. “Only God is good,” Jesus said. “Do you believe that I am good and therefore that I am God?” If Jesus is only one of many religious teachers in history, then His words carry no more weight than the pronouncements of any other religious leader. But if Jesus is good, then He is God, and we had better heed what He says.

Another thought is this – The good is not something to be done as meritorious in itself. God alone is good, and all other goodness derives from him—even the keeping of the commandments, which Jesus proceeded to enumerate.

This is similar to Jesus’ conversation with John the Baptist at the time of Jesus’ baptism.
 
Mendieta said:
I have read this passage in the bible which really left me stumped, more over a muslim questions me about it and now my girlfriend is questioning me and i don’t really know what to say to them.

In Matthew 19:16-17
19:16. And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting?,
19:17. Who said to him: Why askest thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

If Jesus is God why can’t one ask him about good?

I have also asked a priest in regards to this and his response was not the answer i was looking for, it wasn’t the confort or closure i need to convince me, he said Jesus did not want to reveal himself
at that point of time and to also keep in mind that he had two natures. Now i know Jesus held off telling his disciples and everyone who he really was and also of his two natures but this has not stopped Jesus saying that he and the father are one, and if we have seen him we have seen the father.

I hope someone can enlighten me…

Thanks
Michael:D
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Yea you won’t get an answer. No offence to any of the members here.
Someone can NOT answer you that which they do not know.

Catholics, as well as others are taught to believe what the CHURCH tells them. My question is when did the church pastor, father whatever become more knowledgable than God?

As far as Jesus saying that because he is NOT GOD. If Jesus is God, how can a Gd die?! senslesss.

if jesus is God who said " This is MY SON, with whom I am pleased?" I dont buy it never will I gave up on the triangle theories and all the other …“stuff” we are told. I believe in God, well most of the time and thats it
 
I have always seen this text as a proof that Jesus is God. I don’t see Jesus as denying his godhood, only pointing out to the man the meaning of being “good” that one is God.
Did Jesus Deny Being Good, and Therefore Being Divine?
James Patrick Holding
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The Skeptics ordinarily don’t listen to Jesus, but rather amusingly, they do listen carefully on this one (version taken from Mark 10:17-18, but Luke reads no different, and Matthew, though reading differently, really doesn’t change the “problem”):
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And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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From this passage the idea is sometimes taken that Jesus is denying his own goodness, and therefore, throwing out any chance of being recognized as part of the Godhead. The standard explanation is that Jesus is essentially saying to the ruler, “Do you know what you are implying? You say I am good; but only God is good; therefore, you realize that you are identifying me with God?” [Brooks, commentary on Mark, 162] In Jewish thought, God was pre-eminently good, so that the ruler was indeed offering Jesus a compliment usually reserved for God. Since it is quite unlikely that the ruler truly believed that Jesus was identifiable as God the Son, this looks more like an effort by Jesus to make the man think about what he is saying before he blurts it out or engages in indiscriminate flattery.
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Confirmation and elucidation of this explanation is found in Malina and Rohrbaugh’s Social-Science Commentary on the Synoptic Gospels (123) in which they explain that in an agonistic (honor-shame) culture, a “compliment” like the rich young man’s is actually a challenge and an attempt to put Jesus “on the spot” for they are an implicit accusation that one has been trying to rise above others. Jesus’ only alternative was indeed to parry the compliment and redirect it to its appropriate subject (unless he wanted to reveal himself directly and fully, in which case, his claim would have been another challenge of honor to others!), thus showing himself honorable by diffusing any accusation that would arouse the envy of an opponent. Thus it is appropriate that Jesus parry the compliment in a way that does not specifically deny his membership in the Godhead (which, as noted, it does not).
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In short, there isn’t anything here that has Jesus denying goodness, or membership in the Godhead – just teaching an overenthusiast and.or challenger a lesson.
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tektonics.org/lp/mark1018.html
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
I have always seen this text as a proof that Jesus is God. I don’t see Jesus as denying his godhood, only pointing out to the man the meaning of being “good” that one is God.

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no disrespect intended but I don’t see it.

How could the son be God? How could God die? would God talk to him self? I’m not trying to argue or dilute your verse but re read it also read before and after it. Jesus said himself MANY times He was NOT God.

besides how could God’s soul ever be “overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death” as Jesus said to his Diciples on that fateful night?
 
I_question_God said:
no disrespect intended but I don’t see it.

Jesus said himself MANY times He was NOT God.
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Where did Jesus ever say “I am not God”? There are many instances where Jesus is distinguished from the Father, but no one is claiming that Jesus was ever the Father.
 
Peace unto you,

Frankly, the question Jesus posed to the wealthy man and His statement making God the only good one puzzled and bothered me in the first year of my conversion to Christianity from Islam. Most Muslim friends of mine brought up this verse during their religious debates with me and claimed that Evangelists aimed to negate Jesus’ divinity through this narrative. However, they almost always pointed at Mark’s version of the same story because there the wealthy man’s question designates Jesus as “good teacher” and Jesus’ words “No one is good but God alone” seem to be a direct response to the question: “Now as Jesus was starting out on his way, someone ran up to him, fell on his knees, and said, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone” (Mark 10: 17-18).

In the Synoptic Gospels Jesus on many occasions explains to people what they fail to understand in the Mosaic Law. In order to test Jesus, Pharisees ask Him about divorce (Mark 10: 2-9), and Sadducees about the resurrection (Mark 12: 18-27). Once an expert of the Law asks Jesus the greatest commandment of the Law (12: 28-34). It is by no means a coincidence that Jesus answers all these questions with wisdom to silence all His adversaries as well as to help the sincere followers of the Law gain insight. The common point of Jesus’ answers and teachings about the Law is that He both reveals the God of the Old Testament as the ultimate source of power and authority and reminds people that God is and should be considered in the center of every thought and belief. Thus, the commandment Jesus recites to the expert of the Law is the greatest of all because it is directly related to God and ascribes love to God in the first place. Likewise, Sadducees’ denial of the resurrection is proven wrong through God’s main attribute of being alive. Pharisees are reminded that God is superior to Moses as much as the commandment given to Adam is superior to the practice of divorcing enforced by Moses. In the same way, Jesus reminds the wealthy man addressing him as “good teacher” that the absolute goodness belongs to God alone.

Further, Jesus’ teaching to His apostles about the difficulty of a rich person’s entering the Kingdom of God again views God as the omnipotent and merciful creator: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” They were even more astonished and said to one another, “Then who can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and replied, “This is impossible for mere humans, but not for God; all things are possible for God.” (Mark 10: 25-27).

However, it is not at all easy or reasonable to claim that Jesus’ statements in this chapter repudiate His divinity. Actually, a closer look at this narrative shows that the dialogue between Jesus and the wealthy man aims to teach one certain fact: everyone needs Jesus to gain eternal life and salvation. Jesus’ question brings God to the center of the argument through the use of the notion of goodness and provides a smooth transition to God’s commandments. When the wealthy man implies that he is not pleased although he keeps all the commandments, Jesus tells him the only thing he lacks: sell his property and follow Jesus! Apparently, there are two commandments (selling the property and following Jesus) Jesus Himself adds to God’s commandments so that the wealthy man can inherit eternal life. More, Jesus says to the apostles that only His followers will gain eternal life since the way leading to salvation is bound to believing in Jesus (that’s GOD!): “I tell you the truth, there is no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields **for my sake **and for the sake of the gospel who will not receive in this age a hundred times as much – homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, fields, all with persecutions – and in the age to come, eternal life” (Mark 10: 29-30).
 
juno24 said:
Where did Jesus ever say “I am not God”? There are many instances where Jesus is distinguished from the Father, but no one is claiming that Jesus was ever the Father.
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I’m sorry, maybe…are you Catholic? the whole Trinity thing, isn’t that the same thing? thats what I was led to try to understand. Anyhow the above post was in response to you. However someone beat me to it.

Have a good one.
 
I_question_God said:
I’m sorry, maybe…are you Catholic? the whole Trinity thing, isn’t that the same thing? thats what I was led to try to understand. Anyhow the above post was in response to you. However someone beat me to it.

Have a good one.
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Yes, I am Catholic. I’m not sure what you mean about the “whole trinity thing” being the same thing. Do you mean that your understanding of the Trinity is that the Father is the Son is the Holy Spirit, and that each one is synonymous with the others? If so, then I can see where you are confused. The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit. They are 3 disinct persons, all with the same essence.

But back to the question-- you have not provided any instance where Jesus says, “I am not God”. All Jesus did in the passage in question was ask the man why he called Him good? The man did not answer Jesus, he simply asked the question again, but without the “good teacher” part. The man simply did not know that he was in fact speaking to God.

It seems to me that the question is similar in intent to the time Jesus asked the disciples “whom do the people say I am”, and “whom do you say I am?” When they said that the people thought maybe he was Elijah, or some other person, Jesus did not say they were wrong. He simply went on to ask the next question-- Whom do you say I am? When they gave the correct answer, he told them that they were right. Had the rich man said something like, “I call you good because you are God in the flesh”, Jesus would have affirmed him at that point. But then, if the rich man had known and avowed that Jesus was God, he probably would not have walked away dejected over being told to sell his things and follow Jesus.

PS: I’m not sure who beat you to the answer of where does Jesus ever explicitly say he is not God, so if you have an instance, please post it.
 
juno24 said:
Yes, I am Catholic. I’m not sure what you mean about the “whole trinity thing” being the same thing. Do you mean that your understanding of the Trinity is that the Father is the Son is the Holy Spirit, and that each one is synonymous with the others? If so, then I can see where you are confused. The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit. They are 3 disinct persons, all with the same essence. yes exactly, then I was told to understand it as being a triangle all seperate but 1. I will be thie first to admitt the subgect fails me.
But back to the question-- you have not provided any instance where Jesus says, “I am not God”. All Jesus did in the passage in question was ask the man why he called Him good? The man did not answer Jesus, he simply asked the question again, but without the “good teacher” part. The man simply did not know that he was in fact speaking to God.

It seems to me that the question is similar in intent to the time Jesus asked the disciples “whom do the people say I am”, and “whom do you say I am?” When they said that the people thought maybe he was Elijah, or some other person, Jesus did not say they were wrong. He simply went on to ask the next question-- Whom do you say I am? When they gave the correct answer, he told them that they were right. Had the rich man said something like, “I call you good because you are God in the flesh”, Jesus would have affirmed him at that point. But then, if the rich man had known and avowed that Jesus was God, he probably would not have walked away dejected over being told to sell his things and follow Jesus.

PS: I’m not sure who beat you to the answer of where does Jesus ever explicitly say he is not God, so if you have an instance, please post it.
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oh no I meant the guy above me posted before me, not answered the question before me.

Thanks for responding so cordially.

here is an instance Mark 13:32 where he says only the father…oh never mind thats not you want one where he isnt God let me see bible time 😉

okay of course everything is in tounges

“I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”
Jesus said In John now he doesnt say I am not God but plenty of passages he says and hints that he is not the “father”
 
Did Jesus ever claim to be God? You betcha!

To the Samaritan Woman at Jacob’s well near the town of Sychar:
4:26 - le/gei au)tv= o( ¹Ihsou=j, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi, o( lalw½n soi. - Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am (he).” [lit.: “I am, the one speaking with you.”] *
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To his disciples in the boat while Jesus is walking on the Sea of Galilee:
6:20 - o( de\le/gei au)toiÍj, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi, mh\ fobeiÍsqe. - but he said to them, “It is I (lit. “I Am”); do not be afraid.”
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To “the Jews” in Jerusalem at the Feast of Tabernacles:
8:24 - eiåpon ouÅn u(miÍn oÀti a)poqaneiÍsqe e)n taiÍj a(marti¿aij u(mw½n: e)a
ga\r mh\ pisteu/shte oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi, a)poqaneiÍsqe e)n taiÍj a(marti¿aij u(mw½n. - “I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am (he).”

8:28 - eiåpen ouÅn [au)toiÍj] o( ¹Ihsou=j, àOtan u(yw¯shte to
ui¸o
tou= a)nqrw¯pou, to/te gnw¯sesqe oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi, kaiìì a)p’ e)mautou= poiw½ ou)de/n, a)lla\ kaqwÜÜj e)di¿dace/n me o( path\r tau=ta lalw½. - So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am (he), and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.”

8:58 - eiåpen au)toiÍj ¹Ihsou=j, ¹Amh
a)mh
le/gw u(miÍn, priììn ¹Abraa\m gene/sqai e)gwÜÜ ei¹mi¿. - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
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To his disciples at the Last Supper in Jerusalem:
**13:19 **- a)p’ aÃrti le/gw u(miÍn pro ou= gene/sqai, iàna pisteu/shte oÀtan ge/nhtai oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi. - “I tell you this now, before it takes place, that when it does take place you may believe that I am (he).”
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To the soldiers and guards who come to arrest Jesus in the Garden in the Kidron Valley (Gethsemane):

18:5 - a)pekri¿qhsan au)t%½, ¹Ihsou=n to
NazwraiÍon. le/gei au)toiÍj, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi. ei¸sth/kei de\kaiìì ¹Iou/daj o( paradidou\j au)to
met’ au)tw½n. - They answered him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I am (he).” Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them.
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******18:6 **- w¨j ouÅn eiåpen au)toiÍj, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi, a)ph=lqon ei¹j ta\ o)pi¿sw kaiìì eÃpesan xamai¿. - When he said to them, “I am (he),” they drew back and fell to the ground.

18:8 - a)pekri¿qh ¹Ihsou=j, Eiåpon u(miÍn oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi: ei¹ ouÅn e)me\ zhteiÍte, aÃfete tou/touj u(pa/gein: - Jesus answered, “I told you that I am (he); so, if you seek me, let these men go.”
 
NotWorthy said:
Did Jesus ever claim to be God? You betcha!

To the Samaritan Woman at Jacob’s well near the town of Sychar:
4:26 - le/gei au)tv= o( ¹Ihsou=j, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi, o( lalw½n soi. - Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am (he).” [lit.: “**I am, the one speaking with you.”]
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  • yea meaning his son or sent from him
    To his disciples in the boat while Jesus is walking on the Sea of Galilee:
    6:20 - o( de\le/gei au)toiÍj, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi, mh\ fobeiÍsqe. - but he said to them, “It is I (lit. “I Am”); do not be afraid.”
To “the Jews” in Jerusalem at the Feast of Tabernacles:
8:24 - eiåpon ouÅn u(miÍn oÀti a)poqaneiÍsqe e)n taiÍj a(marti¿aij u(mw½n: e)a
ga\r mh\ pisteu/shte oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi, a)poqaneiÍsqe e)n taiÍj a(marti¿aij u(mw½n. - “I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am (he).”

8:28 - eiåpen ouÅn [au)toiÍj] o( ¹Ihsou=j, àOtan u(yw¯shte to
ui¸o
tou= a)nqrw¯pou, to/te gnw¯sesqe oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi, kaiìì a)p’ e)mautou= poiw½ ou)de/n, a)lla\ kaqwÜÜj e)di¿dace/n me o( path\r tau=ta lalw½. - So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that ]I am (he), and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me.”
8:58 - eiåpen au)toiÍj ¹Ihsou=j, ¹Amh
a)mh
le/gw u(miÍn, priììn ¹Abraa\m gene/sqai e)gwÜÜ ei¹mi¿. - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
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To his disciples at the Last Supper in Jerusalem:
**13:19 **- a)p’ aÃrti le/gw u(miÍn pro ou= gene/sqai, iàna pisteu/shte oÀtan ge/nhtai oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi. - “I tell you this now, before it takes place, that when it does take place you may believe that I am (he).”
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To the soldiers and guards who come to arrest Jesus in the Garden in the Kidron Valley (Gethsemane):

18:5 - a)pekri¿qhsan au)t%½, ¹Ihsou=n to
NazwraiÍon. le/gei au)toiÍj, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi. ei¸sth/kei de\kaiìì ¹Iou/daj o( paradidou\j au)to
met’ au)tw½n. - They answered him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I am (he).” Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them.
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******18:6 **- w¨j ouÅn eiåpen au)toiÍj, ¹Egw¯ ei¹mi, a)ph=lqon ei¹j ta\ o)pi¿sw kaiìì eÃpesan xamai¿. - When he said to them, “I am (he),” they drew back and fell to the ground.

18:8 - a)pekri¿qh ¹Ihsou=j, Eiåpon u(miÍn oÀti e)gw¯ ei¹mi: ei¹ ouÅn e)me\ zhteiÍte, aÃfete tou/touj u(pa/gein: - Jesus answered, “I told you that I am (he); so, if you seek me, let these men go.”
 
I_question_God said:
yes exactly, then I was told to understand it as being a triangle all seperate but 1. I will be thie first to admitt the subgect fails me.
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It is a very difficult thing to grasp. One description that has helped me is this one:
Liquid water
Ice
Steam

All 3 are distinct entities-- 3 separate “beings”, if you will:
Liquid water is not ice, nor is it steam
Ice is not liquid water, nor is is steam
Steam is not liquid water, nor is it ice

However, all 3 are exactly the same substance-- all 3 are 2 molecules of hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen.

Of course, even this analogy will fail (as all of them ultimately do), but it has helped me to form a better picture of the trinity.
oh no I meant the guy above me posted before me, not answered the question before me.

Thanks for responding so cordially.
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OK, I got ya. You’re welcome. I see by some of your other posts that you are still seeking, still searching, so it does no good to be anything other than cordial
here is an instance Mark 13:32 where he says only the father…oh never mind thats not you want one where he isnt God let me see bible time 😉

okay of course everything is in tounges

“I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”
Jesus said In John now he doesnt say I am not God but plenty of passages he says and hints that he is not the “father”
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Again, the fact that Jesus (God the Son) is not God the Father is not in question. Keep in mind that while Jesus is indeed fully God, He is also fully Human. When He ascended to Heaven, it was not just His divinity that ascended-- it was also his humanity. So, yes, Jesus was correct in saying He was going to ascend to His God and His Father. The passage does not say, “I am not God”.
 
How could the son be God? We don’t believe that the Son of God is the offspring between a mommy and daddy god. The Son of God is eternal, without beginning and without end. In the book of Isaiah God is referred to as the First and the Last, in the book of revelation Jesus is referred to as the First and the Last, this was a hebrew way of saying that the Son of God is eternal. In Isaiah Jesus, the Son of God is referred to as “eternal father” which is a poor translation of the hebrew into English, because the literal hebrew reading is “Father of Eternity” meaning that he is eternal, without beginning and without end. We are simply using relational termology to refer to the Father and the Son because this is a common relationship in all cultures.

How could God die? Death is not ceasing to exist. It is only seperation of body and spirit, thus when God became man in the person of Jesus, his death was simply the spiritual part of Jesus being seperated from the physical body, nothing more. We are told in Peter’s letters that Jesus went to preach to the dead in the grave, thus his spirit never ceased to exist, it only seperated from his physical body ( James 2:26 ).

would God talk to him self? Yes, he did in Genesis one, “Let Us make Man”
 
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