Sour faced Catholics

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Some people just naturally have a sad face. If I am not smiling I am often asked if there is something wrong, am I sad, mad, etc?

Nope, just the natural look of me.
 
I skipped to the last page.

Some people just naturally have a sad face. If I am not smiling I am often asked if there is something wrong, am I sad, mad, etc?

Nope, just the natural look of me.
Haha! Me too. Is something wrong? Are you mad?
Actually I get asked that by some very angry people…
 
I’ve been attending the Vineyard Church down the road from me lately and have noticed that the people here seem way more excited and passionate about their faith than they are at the Catholic Church I was going to before this Church. This could be for a number of reasons I suppose, just an observation.
My observations:, having been to upbeat protestant gatherings.

Upbeat gatherings are like going to a picnic in the mountains with family and friends. Noisy, fun, full of laughter.

The Catholic Church is like leaving the noise and chatter and spending time beneath the tall dark pines that reach up to heaven in glory. There is silence, peace and a special kind of joy that brings reflection to my life.

When I partake of the Precious Body and Blood of our Lord, I am alone with Him.

Different experience all together.
 
How can people go to church and take communion week after week and leave church as sour faced and rude as when they entered? No light shines from them. If anything, one would think them atheist!

Coming from a protestant background, I am just not used to this and its a bit upsetting at times. I love the Catholic teachings and faith and have encountered far more sweet people. But have also seen and encountered far too many of these sour faced - downright rude - people who one would never even know to be a Christian from their actions and words.

I never encountered this in the Protestant church. Maybe its because Protestants read the bible more? I’m just trying to understand it. The protestants I knew, overall, just exuded joy and light. And yes, some Catholics do too. But sadly far too few.

( Or maybe its the Protestant music just puts them in a better mood. 😛 )
LOL, I posted something like this once, yes, I agree!!

Sometimes I want to join the protestants because they seem to have more of a christian spirit.
 
I agree with you Tim, I was merely pointing out that there are two sides to what we experience at Mass, and highlighting the other aspects.

I find it quite disturbing that some are expecting people to leave Mass with beaming smiles, and that if they don’t they are somehow not engaging properly and experiencing Jesus in the Mass.

If Protestants want to wave their hands in the air and clap with joy then that is up to them and I do not knock them for expressing their feelings like that, but then again their services do not include a painful sacrifice actually taking place on the altar, their focus seems (with some exceptions) to be entirely based on a celebration of the Resurrection without the discomfort of what immediately preceded this.
Protestant churches are wide in variation, they’re not all pentacostalists.
 
How can people go to church and take communion week after week and leave church as sour faced and rude as when they entered? No light shines from them. If anything, one would think them atheist!

Coming from a protestant background, I am just not used to this and its a bit upsetting at times. I love the Catholic teachings and faith and have encountered far more sweet people. But have also seen and encountered far too many of these sour faced - downright rude - people who one would never even know to be a Christian from their actions and words.

I never encountered this in the Protestant church. Maybe its because Protestants read the bible more? I’m just trying to understand it. The protestants I knew, overall, just exuded joy and light. And yes, some Catholics do too. But sadly far too few.

( Or maybe its the Protestant music just puts them in a better mood. 😛 )
I don’t know about you, but I, myself, go to Mass focused on worshipping God, prayer, and the Eucharist. I am there to worship, not to do a sociological experiment. We are to look inward at Mass, not outward to other people.
 
Pope Francis often looks ‘sourfaced’ at Mass. Odd to see him beaming afterwards when he greets people.
 
My husband and I just finished RCIA and joined the Church this Easter vigil. When we first walked into a Catholic church 1 year ago, we were unwelcomed and unasssisted. I had never been in a Roman Catholic church before. I could not understand because as a Pentecostal protestant, our greeters were friendly and “huggers.” This really bothered me for a good while. However, if you have prayed and asked God to guide you to the church that teaches truth, you are tired of division and confusion, and you know you feel drawn by the Spirit, you will persevere. One year later, I have met some very nice people and plan to join the ladies’ ministry soon. Just hang in there!! Just be your friendly self; it might be contagious!🙂
 
Let’s look at the **accuser **however. The accuser states Catholics
are sour faced not joyful when they leave Mass.
So who has the problem here? The other people
leaving Mass (and I find it hard to believe every member
of the parish feels sour except the accuser
) or the
accuser?
In the old days nuns walked about town with their
eyes on the pavement so they would
not be tempted to sin by observing, judging, condemning.
Perhaps those observing their fellow parishioners
are a bunch of bad apples need to take an inward
look.
Hmm. Sounds like I hit a nerve. 😦

Seems you are still smarting over this old post. But I do believe you misquoted me or misunderstood me. Did I say every member of the parish??. The “accuser” was merely making an observation which I found curious. But if you need to strike yet once again at me as in numerous previous responses, so be it. I hope you find peace someday so that such inconsequential comments have no effect on you and do not disturb your inner peace and joy.

And I wish you tons of joy so that it can’t help but shine forth. 🙂 😃 :love: (Even if you have to encounter a sour disposition)

God Bless
 
Hmm. Sounds like I hit a nerve. 😦

Seems you are still smarting over this old post. But I do believe you misquoted me or misunderstood me. Did I say every member of the parish??. The “accuser” was merely making an observation which I found curious. But if you need to strike yet once again at me as in numerous previous responses, so be it. I hope you find peace someday so that such inconsequential comments have no effect on you and do not disturb your inner peace and joy.

And I wish you tons of joy so that it can’t help but shine forth. 🙂 😃 :love: (Even if you have to encounter a sour disposition)

God Bless
Aren’t we supposed to leave the judging to Christ ?

🤷
May I just point out that the good Lord gave us a brain and hopefully some degree of discernment.

Recognition does not equal “judging”.

Recognizing irritation when one hears it is hardly “judging”

So now who is judging? 😉 When you point your finger, remember you have three pointing back at you.👍

Matthew 7:1-2
7 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.


:blessyou:
 
My observations:, having been to upbeat protestant gatherings.

Upbeat gatherings are like going to a picnic in the mountains with family and friends. Noisy, fun, full of laughter.

The Catholic Church is like leaving the noise and chatter and spending time beneath the tall dark pines that reach up to heaven in glory. There is silence, peace and a special kind of joy that brings reflection to my life.

When I partake of the Precious Body and Blood of our Lord, I am alone with Him.

Different experience all together.
This was beautiful and very well said. Thank you.

I find that at Protestant services, everything was very active and vocal, and I was constantly straining myself trying to have a spiritual experience. At Mass, I am much more introspective and spend more time praying silently. The most powerful moment of my week is when the priest raises the Host.
 
On the other side of the coin, cults (such as the so-called “International Churches of Christ” with which I had an interaction with during my college years) often use the technique of “love bombing” to welcome and overwhelm newcomers with much vaunted feelings which will then, once revoked, give rise to a dependency to the group on the part of the newcomer, and allow them to manipulate the newcomer.

I don’t know about you, but honestly I was a little creeped out at how protestants do their worship. What I basically remember is how some dudes would yell out “preach it, bro!” at the pastor as the sermon goes on, as if it were a political rally. I also remember the weekly “testimony” by somebody in front of hundreds of people s/he probably didn’t know following the general same formula of “My former life before I welcomed Jesus into my heart was just terrible, and now everything is sunshine and lolipops”, accompanied usually by breaking into sobbing tears (grown men included) for no apparent reason. It all was quite surreal and silly IMO.

P.S. I once heard that St. Maximillian Kolbe was thought of as a sour-puss by his contemporaries.
 
How can people go to church and take communion week after week and leave church as sour faced and rude as when they entered? No light shines from them. If anything, one would think them atheist!

Coming from a protestant background, I am just not used to this and its a bit upsetting at times. I love the Catholic teachings and faith and have encountered far more sweet people. But have also seen and encountered far too many of these sour faced - downright rude - people who one would never even know to be a Christian from their actions and words.

I never encountered this in the Protestant church. Maybe its because Protestants read the bible more? I’m just trying to understand it. The protestants I knew, overall, just exuded joy and light. And yes, some Catholics do too. But sadly far too few.

( Or maybe its the Protestant music just puts them in a better mood. 😛 )
I’m a cradle Catholic and my wife is Protestant. I have to admit, when I accompany her to her protestant church it is like night a day when compared to the Catholic church. The people greet you and smile and often hug. They are quite friendly in the Protestant church. I’ve never seen that in my 50 something years in the Catholic church with the exception of an African American Catholic parish I visited a few times. They were friendly and greeted you with a smile upon entering the church.
 
I understand that the Mass puts one in a very reverent state as it should. I love the mass.

My post was written sometime back. I was surprised (an understatement) the first time I walked into the 1st Catholic church after I decided to convert based on my readings of certain teachings that I felt were true. I felt I should join a church that taught what I believed rather than continuing in a church that I enjoyed but taught what I did not believe. My decision to convert was all based on the teachings and had nothing to do with any experience in a Catholic church. But during that 1st visit, no one greeted us or welcomed us or shook our hand. It was as though we were invisible. I eventually got used to it at that church. We did know a couple of people and it was nice to have them to talk to after mass.

We then had a reason to go to a 2nd Catholic church. If anything it was worse than the first. The ushers who open the doors, opened the door for us without making eye contact or saying hello. During one visit, on the way out I asked one of the ushers a question because I had not heard the priest well about the day & time of a special service they were having. He sort of grunted some reply in a rather rude manner and went about his business of holding out bulletins to whoever wanted one.

3rd Catholic church - I didn’t expect much by this time:). My husband had to go to restroom at one point upon our arrival and approached a small group of men who were talking as we were nearly an hour early so as to make confession. He asked where the rest room was. He said the man that told him looked annoyed that he interrupted their conversation. After the mass, when I passed a man that sat near us in the church and who we made the peace gesture with during the service, was standing outside. As we passed I smiled at him and he got a rather nasty look on his face and looked away rudely. This after making a showing of peace in the service! I kept wondering, what did I do to him?

I could go on with other examples but there is no point to it. We have gotten used to it. But it is sad I think. And it would appear that some people in this thread misunderstood me thinking that I was speaking of right after taking communion but I wasn’t. Of course I would not expect anything less than a withdrawn reverent attitude and demeanor at that point. That is a personal time to be with God. I was speaking of the lack of welcoming, the lack of friendliness and acts of rudeness to others.

The openness and friendly welcome reception you receive at the Protestant churches is nice. Someone talked about one he called “creepy” etc. I have not encountered any church where people stood up to give their testimony. That sounds like a AA meeting. There are so many different types of Protestant churches, that you could run into a lot of strange practices if you do not know where you’re going.

I do admit that I would prefer not to have to stand up to be greeted with applause on my first visit. And most every protestant church I’ve attended does that; If you are a newcomer, they will ask you at door if it’s your first visit and then ask your name. Then when they start the service. The pastor will always start by saying “We have some new visitors today. Please welcome Joe and Sue Smith”. And everyone turns to look at you and smiles and applauds to greet you. Sometime they ask you to stand so everyone can be sure to see you so they can continue to welcome you later. Then after the service many will come up and “thank you for coming”, “hope to see you again soon”, “God bless you”, etc., etc. I don’t really like all the spotlight on first part where you stand and get applauded but do enjoy the greetings and you really do feel welcomed. You can feel the love. The difference is like night and day.

I am used to the reserved manner of the Catholics now. I myself, still try to greet new people if I know they are new because they have a question or something. I know how good that feels when you’re new and don’t know anyone. And I have found some very nice people.

But if the Catholic church wants to grow its numbers as I’ve heard it does, they should start at the local level and try to create a more welcoming attitude to newcomers rather than make one feel like they are invading a closed door group without an invitation.

I do love the Catholic church (despite the criticisms I’ve made). But I also love some of the Protestant churches. It doesn’t need to be them versus us. As Jesus said,** “For he who is not against us is for us”. ~ Mark 9:40**
 
The openness and friendly welcome reception you receive at the Protestant churches is nice. There are so many different types of Protestant churches, that you could run into a lot of strange practices if you do not know where you’re going.
Personally, I’m not really a fan of greetings/welcomings before Mass. I think, for some people, it can really put them into a rather talkative mood, and cause them to start getting into conversations with other people, which in turn, can cause them to forget what it is that they are about to participate in. Before Mass, one is supposed to spend some time preparing themself spiritually before assisting in the Mass. And conversations/greetings beforehand can really detract to this; Imho, it doesn’t set the appropriate kind of reverent/sacred atmosphere when one is entering the church and getting ready to partake in something extraordinary.
I do admit that I would prefer not to have to stand up to be greeted with applause on my first visit. And most every protestant church I’ve attended does that; If you are a newcomer, they will ask you at door if it’s your first visit and then ask your name. Then when they start the service.
Yes, I experienced something like this for the 1st time in a Catholic church several years ago when I was out of town for a work-related issue, and I was like… what??? :confused:
The problem with this, imo, is that it puts the attention squarely on certain peoples. and that detracts from the purpose of Mass, and in turn, a sense of the sacred of the Mass. Cardinal Arinze made it pretty clear what Mass is for in this video on Liturgical Dancing: Adoration, Contrition, Thanksgiving and asking for what we need, and that we generally don’t come to Mass to admire people, enjoy, clap for people, etc…
 
Inow how good that feels when you’re new and don’t know anyone. And I have found some very nice people.

But if the Catholic church wants to grow its numbers as I’ve heard it does, they should start at the local level and try to create a more welcoming attitude to newcomers rather than make one feel like they are invading a closed door group without an invitation.

I do love the Catholic church (despite the criticisms I’ve made). But I also love some of the Protestant churches. It doesn’t need to be them versus us. As Jesus said,** “For he who is not against us is for us”. ~ Mark 9:40**
I agree. I don’t understand it; why am I welcomed with open arms at non-Catholic churches I have visited, but ignored completely at almost every Catholic parish I’ve attended?

Well, I guess I’m going from now on to be that crazy person smiling at people, greeting them, welcoming them instead. It hurts to get ignored, basically slapped in the face with indifference, or even shunned, just by showing up for Mass! Part of me thinks it’s 21st century, combined with being in a large city…but what’s strange is I act the same way at each parish I’ve attended, all in large cities, and while most are cold and indifferent, a few have been kind and welcoming…but just a few. Conversely, most priests I’ve been in contact with are warm and welcoming, but a few are not.

As someone who knows how it feels to feel alone, lonely, and in need of just a friendly smile…I don’t want EVER ANYONE to feel that way. It’s horrible. At times, a smile or welcome or kind word could have at least temporarily solved some troubles for me.
 
  • shrugs * our ushers at my parish are friendly enough, and helpful, i take notice to people trying to run out the church after mass with no space between the wall an my mother as we are making our way to the door so i make sure to stand behind my mother on the other side of her so people arnt brushing past her nearly knockn her over as they forget their manners the split second when mass is over an the priest makes his way out. Even worse trying to walk on the side walk outside of church people seem more than willing to get right up behind us an knock us over or just ignore us an walk as close as possible around us.
I don’t get it either, i have met some really great people at my parish, and greatful for having met them, the rest, im not really going to go out of my way anymore… but im not going to do anything to push people away either. It is a sad state when we dont treat each other with respect and kindness in the Catholic Church yet there are these other places of worship with people who probably put most of us to shame when it comes to being honestly friendly, outgoing , and truely kind.

I find it amazing that people still join the Catholic Church with all the scandals, problems, and rudeness going on before, during and after mass. Christ doesn’t seem to mind.
 
In Protestant churches there aren’t any sacraments. So you are sort of left to discern if you are “really connecting” with God based on your own feelings. When one first converts toward Jesus (even cradle Catholics will often have a “conversion” moment where they realize the Truth of Christ) it is most often associated with a feeling of great joy and happiness.

I think many people who are without the Sacraments try to continually have that same sort of emotional high. I think they use whatever feeling they are having to determine their interaction with God. Thus at Protestant churches you are more likely to run in to very upbeat music, perhaps dancing, clapping hands, big smiles, lots of excitement, big energy, etc. If you’ve ever been a salesperson, they have meetings where they try to pump you up and get you ready to go out and make sales in a very similar fashion.

When a person has the Sacraments they can be assured of their relationship with God regardless of their emotional state. In fact often times, in my experience, some of the greatest spiritual progress is associated with some very unpleasant feelings.

Another thing to consider is that people who are suffering horribly often go in search of God. They are able to receive great consolation from God but are still suffering and therefore are likely to be a bit crabby.

Perhaps the sour faced person you see is currently contemplating Christ’s passion? Contemplating their own sinfullness? Contemplating their recently deceased love one?
There is a much wider range of emotions one is expected to have in Catholicism.

I am sorry for your feelings of being unwelcomed and you not being treated well. When in doubt assume that they are simply in need of your prayers and your love. And above all be there to greet other newcomers like yourself with a warm smile 😃
 
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