Sources Of Mormon Doctrine

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Where is it possible to find authoritative teachings of the LDS church? Outside of the LDS scriptures there does not seem to be any authoritative sources that one can go to to find what the LDS Church believes. By authoritative, I don’t necessarily mean infallible, but as close to that as something can get. An example I think is somewhat similar is canon law in Catholicism. Not infallible, but to be followed and believed.
 
Where is it possible to find authoritative teachings of the LDS church? Outside of the LDS scriptures there does not seem to be any authoritative sources that one can go to to find what the LDS Church believes. By authoritative, I don’t necessarily mean infallible, but as close to that as something can get. An example I think is somewhat similar is canon law in Catholicism. Not infallible, but to be followed and believed.
I don’t think canon law really defines the doctrines/beliefs/teachings of the church. From Wiki " It has all the ordinary elements of a mature legal system: laws, courts, lawyers, judges, a fully articulated legal code, principles of legal interpretation, and coercive penalties." The authoritative teachings would be more along the lines of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I think it would be good for the LDS church to develop their own “canon law” it would lead to more even treatment in discipline instead of the bishop roulette members face now. But either way canon law or catechism, the LDS has neither and is unlikely to establish either one, the very idea that there is set doctrine or rules governing how members are treated runs counter to the way the LDS church perceives itself.

It must be so uncertain to not know just what you are supposed to believe or how you can be treated by the institution, sad to be so lost.
 
The problem is, what was authoritative yesterday, is not considered so today. Likewise what is considered authoritative today will not be tomorrow. Further, even when it is considered authoritive, it is only so if “interpreted correctly.”
 
A good source should be the Mormon missionaries. I have spoken to them and it is, I am not sure which adjective to use, pitiful how much they really know about the faith they are purportedly teaching.
 
The problem is, what was authoritative yesterday, is not considered so today. Likewise what is considered authoritative today will not be tomorrow. Further, even when it is considered authoritive, it is only so if “interpreted correctly.”
Aren’t there any set of dogmas that would not allow that type of flexibility? That looks a bit weird to build your worldview up on… :rolleyes:
 
Where is it possible to find authoritative teachings of the LDS church? Outside of the LDS scriptures there does not seem to be any authoritative sources that one can go to to find what the LDS Church believes. By authoritative, I don’t necessarily mean infallible, but as close to that as something can get. An example I think is somewhat similar is canon law in Catholicism. Not infallible, but to be followed and believed.
There is no such thing.
 
There is a saying that goes something like this.

Defining mormon doctrine is like trying to nail jello to a wall. It just can’t be done.
 
Aren’t there any set of dogmas that would not allow that type of flexibility? That looks a bit weird to build your worldview up on… :rolleyes:
Nope. You’d think the teachings of their “prophets” would be. You’d think that their lesson a manuals and official publications would be. You’d even think that their scriptures would be. You’d be wrong. Things are selectively followed and those things change from decade to decade, from stake to stake, from ward to ward. You’d be hard pressed to try to pin an LDS down on committing to anything other than “I know Jospeh Smith to be a prophet of God, the Book of Mormon to be true, and that the Church is the true living restoration of Christ’s church on Earth.”

The missionaries are unreliable as they are 19 year old kids who barely know they’re own faith. They are pressure driven by numbers, how many can they or have they baptized. At that age, they are mostly there because it is what is expected of them.

There is an out of print book called: The Book of Mormon Doctrine that was at one point considered authoritive. You’ll find it it still referenced in talks and lessons. Another is: A Marvelous Work and A Wonder that was something all new converts were strongly encouraged to read and considered a library essential for LDS. The Journal of Disscourse and Lectures of Faith are key in thee creation of the lesson manuals, and the book Priesthood and Church Government is a good read to understand how the LDS church is supposed to function. Articles of Faith is another good book for how LDS teach point by point their Articles of Faith found in their Scriptures. Jesus the Christ is a good read for those position on how they view Jesus and the Trinity as whole.

Yet none of that is official in the eyes of the LDS. Never-you-mind that those who wrote them where Apostles or Presidents of the LDS church, or that those people wrote some othe them in a “temple” under the supposed guidance of the Holy Sprit, or that the words of the LoF and some of the JoD come right from Jospeh Smith acting as the “prophet” of the church, or from his “successor” Brigham Young speaking with the same authority and in the same capacity. Because even though LDS claim authority of office and obedience to priesthood authority is key to their religion, they simply don’t follow what isn’t popular at the time. Because, it’s what’s best for the corporate entity, not about being “true to the faith.”

LDS members are often confused and you’ll find contradiction in the beliefs and unity of the members. To the extent that while the lessons being taught all come from the same manual, they are often very different in message from ward to ward. And this is encouraged by their “called to Teach” manual.
 
A good source should be the Mormon missionaries. I have spoken to them and it is, I am not sure which adjective to use, pitiful how much they really know about the faith they are purportedly teaching.
Hi eamonnroma - Did you mean to say “it is pitiful how much they don’t know about the faith…”?

When the missionaries came to “teach” us I asked them when The Great Apostasy happened. Neither of them knew and said they would get back to me after speaking with somebody else, and even then they gave possible dates that were all over the place.

I also had a Mormon man (who had gone on a mission) tell me that Martin Luther wrote the Bible.

Speaking with missionaries was a real eye-opener for me. I realized they know very little about the big picture of religion.
 
Just want to echo the other posts. There is no official document that states the teachings of the LDS church. Some Mormons may direct you to the Book of Mormon, but none of Mormonism’s unique doctrines are contained therein. The Articles of Faith (which is included in the Pearl of Great Price) are also often referred to as a summary of LDS beliefs. The Doctrine & Covenants and Pearl of Great Price are modern day LDS scripture that includes doctrines and teachings that are unique to Mormonism. Determining what the “official” teachings of the LDS church are is like nailing jello to the wall.

The closest the LDS church has ever gotten to having a something like the Catechism of the Catholic Church is the book “Mormon Doctrine” by Bruce McConkie. However, it was always unofficial and members of the LDS church have been moving away from it the last couple of decades. In fact, I don’t think it is even printed anymore. “Mormon Doctrine” has become inconvenient so even though it was unofficially official for many years, it is now disavowed and the “opinions of a mere man”. McConkie was made an apostle AFTER the publication of the book, so LDS leaders at the time couldn’t have had that much of a problem with it. (In the first edition, McConkie stated that the Roman Catholic Church was the great and abominable church of the devil, but he was told to remove this from the second edition).

Here is a link to the book “Gospel Principles” which is the lesson manual used for new converts during Sunday School. It doesn’t really touch on “deeper doctrines” and I would describe it as milk rather than meat. “Mormon Doctrine” would be like meat.

lds.org/manual/gospel-principles?lang=eng
 
When the missionaries came to “teach” us I asked them when The Great Apostasy happened. Neither of them knew and said they would get back to me after speaking with somebody else, and even then they gave possible dates that were all over the place.
It is interesting that although the entire LDS faith depends upon the Great Apostasy, they are unable to state when it happened. I’ve heard all kinds of dates–specific,contradicting, varying, and vague.

I read the official LDS seminary lesson plan a few months ago and it stated that the apostasy occurred with the death of the last apostle. I guess this explains why the New Testament is second-class scripture since it wasn’t canonized until after the apostasy. That way, whenever the NT goes against Mormon teaching, they can play the apostasy card and the “insofar as it is correctly translated” card.

If there’s no Great Apostasy, there’s no need for Mormonism, so it would be nice if they’d actually take a stand on the issue instead of pussyfooting around it. At least then one could have a clear intellectual debate. But I think the current position is… with the death of the last Apostle.
 
Hi eamonnroma - Did you mean to say “it is pitiful how much they don’t know about the faith…”?

When the missionaries came to “teach” us I asked them when The Great Apostasy happened. Neither of them knew and said they would get back to me after speaking with somebody else, and even then they gave possible dates that were all over the place.

I also had a Mormon man (who had gone on a mission) tell me that Martin Luther wrote the Bible.

Speaking with missionaries was a real eye-opener for me. I realized they know very little about the big picture of religion.
Yes I did mean ‘it is pitiful’
 
Mormons believe the Apostle John never died.
If John never died then there could be no apostasy if it occurred after the death of the last apostle.

I think I’m going around in circles here. 😃
 
Mormons believe the Apostle John never died.
That was my first reaction to that statement, too. So apparently, they teach that the apostasy happened, yet… it never could have happened at all if John is still alive. :rolleyes:
 
Mormons believe the Apostle John never died.
If John never died then there could be no apostasy if it occurred after the death of the last apostle.

I think I’m going around in circles here. 😃
That was my first reaction to that statement, too. So apparently, they teach that the apostasy happened, yet… it never could have happened at all if John is still alive. :rolleyes:
:doh2:
Shhhhh! You can’t apply logic to Mormon Doctrine…😉
 
Where do we find the (Mormon) belief that John the Apostle did not die? Thanks.
 
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