Sources Of Mormon Doctrine

[ServantPD]

:doh2:
Shhhhh! You can’t apply logic to Mormon Doctrine…

I try to apply some seriousness when it comes to approaching other religions, and I’ve been trying to see what’s the ‘sense’ of believing all of this, as I try to do, usually for evangelizing purposes, should the oportunity appear. But this is the first non-parody religion that I’m failing miserably to do that…

 

[Jerusha]

I try to apply some seriousness when it comes to approaching other religions, and I’ve been trying to see what’s the ‘sense’ of believing all of this, as I try to do, usually for evangelizing purposes, should the oportunity appear. But this is the first non-parody religion that I’m failing miserably to do that…

I suspect that some of the people who participated in the development of Mormonism were actually consciously parodying Catholicism, the Bible, and Christianity in general.

 

[kimg901]

Where do we find the (Mormon) belief that John the Apostle did not die? Thanks.

It is in the book of Mormon I believe. But I trust that book as much as I trust satan!

 

[XuDan]

I try to apply some seriousness when it comes to approaching other religions, and I’ve been trying to see what’s the ‘sense’ of believing all of this, as I try to do, usually for evangelizing purposes, should the oportunity appear. But this is the first non-parody religion that I’m failing miserably to do that…

Certainly, it’s even safe to say that in most religions or denominations cases you (general “you”) can see the reasoning behind what they believe, even if you don’t agree with it. However, the LDS, perspective is a difficult one. It is ever shifting, prone to revisionism, relativism, and not subject to it’s own “rules.” It is difficult to find sense in.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Where do we find the (Mormon) belief that John the Apostle did not die? Thanks.

In their Doctrine and Covenants, section 7

3 And the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you.

2 And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee.

3 And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.

 

[XuDan]

Where do we find the (Mormon) belief that John the Apostle did not die? Thanks.

In their Doctrine and Covenants, section 7

3 And the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you.

2 And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee.

3 And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.

This can be read in full context here. This way there can’t be any claim of “mistranslation” or “twisting of context,” which are the usual initial defenses proffered to critique of LDS scripture.

 

[RebeccaJ]

This can be read in full context here. This way there can’t be any claim of “mistranslation” or “twisting of context,” which are the usual initial defenses proffered to critique of LDS scripture.

If someone who is LDS claimed mistranslation or twisting, that would be something wouldn’t it. I can’t see how that could happen with a straight face.

 

[Jerusha]

In their Doctrine and Covenants, section 7

3 And the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you.

2 And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee.

3 And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.

Thanks. Somehow I thought there might be something in the Bible about it. Still a bit confused at times.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Thanks. Somehow I thought there might be something in the Bible about it. Still a bit confused at times.

NRSVCE John 21:23:

20 Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; he was the one who had reclined next to Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?” 21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about him?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!” 23 So the rumor spread in the community[c] that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”

 

[Jerusha]

Thank you.

 

[kimg901]

Speaking of doctrine. The lds prophets claim to speak to God and receive revelation from our Lord. But why is it considered opinion most of the time? Do they have the right to over rule God’s revelation to them? I’m confused

 

[Tarquin]

After experiencing frustration many times in discussions of what is and is not “doctrine”, finding no relief even when corresponding with church leaders in Utah, always getting something like “the Spirit will testify to you”, I was surprised to find, not too long ago, a webpage which actually uses the word “Doctrines” as it lists a number of Mormon beliefs.

So these beliefs, teachings, understandings, pronouncements, or whatever they are, are in addition to anything else they may be, doctrines. Praise God. At last there is a concrete starting place to discuss with Mormons their actual doctrines, which they can no longer claim are “just opinions”, and relate them to Catholic and Biblical doctrines, as well as to elaborations of these doctrines, and to other doctrines which may not harmonize with them.

Lo and behold: lds.org/manual/basic-doctrines?lang=eng

The 11th chapter of 3rd Nephi also addresses doctrine in what is arguably the most repetitiously redundant chapter in the entire Book of Mormon. Over 300 words to say “repent and be baptized.”

 

[XuDan]

If someone who is LDS claimed mistranslation or twisting, that would be something wouldn’t it. I can’t see how that could happen with a straight face.

It wouldn’t be the first time. D&C 20:76 says that the priest is to kneel with the church during the blessing of the sacrament. Of course this doesn’t happen, the priest kneels and the congregation sits. I have heard them say with a straight face that I missunderstood, that the priest kneels for the church…

So somehow “kneeling with” becomes “kneeling for.” They don’t even care that their own scriptures say “with” they will argue until blue in the face that it is “for.” Just an example.
:banghead: LOL

Anyways, to tie this into the topic, even their own scriptures aren’t enough to establish doctrine…