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JustaServant
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Al who?
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Magdalena59
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Exactly.
This is typical. Completely due to misunderstanding of the Catholic faith.
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Indifferently
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R. Albert Mohler Jr is a great bible teacher and brother in faith. There seems to be a lot of anti-Calvinist stuff on this forum lately.
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total_Catholic
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Well why do you suppose that’s so? Because Calvinism is a heresy?
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boldlygo
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A ‘great bible teacher’ would know that the Bible originated in the Catholic Church.
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steve_b
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Here would be my answer to that fellow.
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- διχοστασίας dichostasia = division / dissension / factions /sedition, from the Catholic Church. As one can see, it is condemned in scripture. διχοστασίαςdichostasia]is used in both Rom 16:17-20 And Gal 5:19-20. The consequences for one who dies in that sin, they will not inherit heaven. Gal 5:21 as in they go to hell. Note there is no expiration date to those warnings. Romans 16:17-20 , Galatians 5:19-21
- That’s why and where outside the church there is no salvation came from. 846
- Re: Protestantism, regardless of stripe, they are included in The Great Heresies of history
Titus 3:10
“As for a man who is factious ( αἱρετικὸνheretic ), after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him, 11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned.”
Paul was straight to the point.
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pete_29
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What I can’t understand is why “Bible” based churches refuse to believe in the Eucharist. Jesus said “This is My Body” and “This is My Blood” in three Gospels. He tells how His Body and Blood are real food in John. The disciples on the road to Jericho don’t recognize Jesus until He breaks Bread. I’m just a dumb ol’ country boy, but the Institution of the Eucharist is pretty clear to me.
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steve_b
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Even if they DID believe, How would they have the Eucharist, when they have no valid holy orders?
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andrewstx
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I don’t understand the Baptists complaining that two have left their numbers while they are perhaps the most proseltyzing group to exist.
Catholics and Anglicans don’t “git saved”, and so are not considerd Christians by these evangelicals.
They have no reason to complain. What is good for the goose is always good for the gander.
Catholics and Anglicans don’t “git saved”, and so are not considerd Christians by these evangelicals.
They have no reason to complain. What is good for the goose is always good for the gander.
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BobCatholic
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Just anti-catholic bigotry, nothing more. Sour grapes that two got away from their grasp
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Convert1
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Having converted to Catholicism from my Southern Baptist upbringing; I am all to well acquainted with Mr. Mohler and the rhetoric that follows like-minded individuals regarding the Catholic faith. I can only speak to personal experience, but many will continue to exit the Southern Baptist faith and there are numerous reasons why.
Most children and adults are baptized into the Southern Baptist faith without any formal educational classes. Quite frankly, Baptist Sunday school is minimal. In contrast, my RCIA took over a year; followed by numerous meetings with my priest. Children in the Catholic Church experience even greater rigorous training. Further, never in my Southern Baptist experience did my minister meet privately with me, or my family; unless someone died or was getting married. The guidance and close relationships with Catholic clergy far eclipses that of my historical experience with the Southern Baptist faith. Again, this has just been my experience.
Now, I kneel to pray. I pray the rosary. I pray to the Saints. These and so many Catholic practices were condemned as “pagan” when I was growing up. I enjoy the spiritual interaction with the priest during mass. And the body and blood of Christ are very specific to scripture handed down to Christ’s disciples and practiced to this day. It is a totally different feeling than someone entering a pulpit and preaching “at” me for an hour.
The historical basis for the Catholic faith was the tipping point for me. The significance of Simon Peter and the ability to trace all our Popes is one fact of many that left me speechless. I never actually even knew where the Southern Baptist religion started or how. I still don’t.
One last thought, regarding “Anti-Calvinists” Southern Baptists have major issues with Calvinists, as well. Google the 2013 SBC. It was a major topic.
I will pray for Mr. Mohler. He obviously is misguided.
Most children and adults are baptized into the Southern Baptist faith without any formal educational classes. Quite frankly, Baptist Sunday school is minimal. In contrast, my RCIA took over a year; followed by numerous meetings with my priest. Children in the Catholic Church experience even greater rigorous training. Further, never in my Southern Baptist experience did my minister meet privately with me, or my family; unless someone died or was getting married. The guidance and close relationships with Catholic clergy far eclipses that of my historical experience with the Southern Baptist faith. Again, this has just been my experience.
Now, I kneel to pray. I pray the rosary. I pray to the Saints. These and so many Catholic practices were condemned as “pagan” when I was growing up. I enjoy the spiritual interaction with the priest during mass. And the body and blood of Christ are very specific to scripture handed down to Christ’s disciples and practiced to this day. It is a totally different feeling than someone entering a pulpit and preaching “at” me for an hour.
The historical basis for the Catholic faith was the tipping point for me. The significance of Simon Peter and the ability to trace all our Popes is one fact of many that left me speechless. I never actually even knew where the Southern Baptist religion started or how. I still don’t.
One last thought, regarding “Anti-Calvinists” Southern Baptists have major issues with Calvinists, as well. Google the 2013 SBC. It was a major topic.
I will pray for Mr. Mohler. He obviously is misguided.
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total_Catholic
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Southern Baptist have become so Arminian in the last few years it’s mind boggling. In fact a lot of the SBC now believe in the “pre-millennial rapture”.
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pete_29
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The point I was trying to make is that they claim to be Bible based, but seem to ignore a lot of it.
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Indifferently
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I very much doubt Mohler talks of people “getting saved”. He’s a Calvinist - people who are saved were saved at the cross two thousand years ago. I’m sure Mohler accounts the likes of J. I. Packer and the late John Stott (both Anglicans) to be brothers in Christ.
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pablope
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Interesting comments at the bottom of the articel:
I have news for Mr. Mohler-- I was raised and grounded in the Baptist faith and first began looking into the Catholic Church while studying Church History and Patristic Theology at a Southern Baptist Seminary (Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary). By the time the extreme right wing hijacked the denomination, I was aware that my own spirituality was more at home in the historical faith of Christianity – Catholics, Anglicans, and Orthodox – than among either the fundamentalists or the moderates of the SBC. I know many Episcopalians who are former Baptists (one leader told me, “Baptists make good Episcopalians”), and I have gladly made my home among the Catholics and have gladly seen my own daughter instructed in the faith.
On the other hand, I am strongly ecumenical and treasure the insights of many traditions. (Which is one reason I enjoy keeping Baptist News Global on my reading list). The arms of Christ are wide enough to enfold young denominations like the Baptists as well as older traditions such as the Catholics – and all others in between. I say, rather than lament the loss of Baptists to liturgical expressions of the ancient Church, we should rejoice that they have found a meaningful place within the Kingdom God. Redoubling your efforts to keep the flock under you particular brand may have the reverse effect.
And Al M and some of his flock apparently catholics are not Christians…
s Mohler really talking about two Anglican and a Catholic CLERGY as not being grounded in Christian doctrine? Mohler does know that Anglicans and Catholics are Christian faith groups, right?
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Bob Bell RevDave71 • a day ago
But Anglican and Catholic priests do not wear the Biblically mandated polyester suits (see Hezekiah 4:2 if you doubt me), so they can’t possibly be Christians.
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What kind of polyester suit is this guy talking about? There is no Bible book called Hezekiah???
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SteveVH
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The line I enjoyed the most was his insistence on protecting “the faith delivered once to the saints”.
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pnewton
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I have to agree with his premise that if you do not teach children when they are young they are likely to depart from the faith. Baptists and Catholics both have to deal with the great threat of children growing and departing from faith in God, to atheism and secularism.
However, what Rev. Mohler fails to understand is that every faith that teaches their young people love of God and neighbor must accept that many will also love Truth, for Jesus is Truth incarnate. This can lead to exploration into such areas as early Church history and the claims of other faith traditions. It is the claims made with in that faith that failed, in the eyes of those who convert, not the training, more often than not. And for those that were never grounded in Christianity to begin with, what Christian would object to them learning a love for Christ as an adult, even if it is not within their denomination?
FYI - I went to a SBC university and seminary and am as grounded as possible in the tradition of that faith. It did not change one bit the claims I encountered from the Catholic Church, except maybe to make me a major skeptic.
However, what Rev. Mohler fails to understand is that every faith that teaches their young people love of God and neighbor must accept that many will also love Truth, for Jesus is Truth incarnate. This can lead to exploration into such areas as early Church history and the claims of other faith traditions. It is the claims made with in that faith that failed, in the eyes of those who convert, not the training, more often than not. And for those that were never grounded in Christianity to begin with, what Christian would object to them learning a love for Christ as an adult, even if it is not within their denomination?
FYI - I went to a SBC university and seminary and am as grounded as possible in the tradition of that faith. It did not change one bit the claims I encountered from the Catholic Church, except maybe to make me a major skeptic.
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Tommy999
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After reading the article, a couple of things come to mind:
– God will lead people to where they need to be so that they can be all they can be in Christ. I assume that is the case with these two boys. I am not their judge but they appeared to have turned into fine Christian men who love and serve God.
– Not everyone is born into the faith where they can fulfill their full potential in Christ but later find it through God’s help after searching with all their heart. The story of Catholic singer John Michael Talbot comes to mind.
– I happen to believe that Catholics, Anglicans, and Southern Baptists are all Christians, so it’s not like they left to become members of a non-Christian religion.
– I find it somewhat amusing that some Catholics criticize this Southern Baptist guy (Al) for the same mindset that many Catholics express when someone leaves Catholicism for a Protestant denomination.
For example, many times on CAF I’ve heard Catholics say “They weren’t well catechized”, in reference to someone who left the RCC to become a protestant, which is in essence what this guy Al seems to be saying from the Baptist perspective. I find that to be a bit of a double standard.
Unlike some, I believe God will lead you to where He wants you to be and that isn’t always the Roman Catholic Church for everyone in all cases.
– God will lead people to where they need to be so that they can be all they can be in Christ. I assume that is the case with these two boys. I am not their judge but they appeared to have turned into fine Christian men who love and serve God.
– Not everyone is born into the faith where they can fulfill their full potential in Christ but later find it through God’s help after searching with all their heart. The story of Catholic singer John Michael Talbot comes to mind.
– I happen to believe that Catholics, Anglicans, and Southern Baptists are all Christians, so it’s not like they left to become members of a non-Christian religion.
– I find it somewhat amusing that some Catholics criticize this Southern Baptist guy (Al) for the same mindset that many Catholics express when someone leaves Catholicism for a Protestant denomination.
For example, many times on CAF I’ve heard Catholics say “They weren’t well catechized”, in reference to someone who left the RCC to become a protestant, which is in essence what this guy Al seems to be saying from the Baptist perspective. I find that to be a bit of a double standard.
Unlike some, I believe God will lead you to where He wants you to be and that isn’t always the Roman Catholic Church for everyone in all cases.
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SteveVH
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True.
So, no worries about being led astray? Where ever we end up is where God wants us to be?
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