Southern Baptists and saved/born again...

[Defender1]

Defender1, seeing as you know everything about all religions and enjoy hearing yourself talk, how about answering the OP’s original question and get back on topic or start your own thread or forum?

You dont like the truth? I apologize if anyone is offended by the truth but it would be rather a sin for me to enter this forum and see comments that are bits of misinformation without me correcting that misinformation .

 

[Bix]

You dont like the truth? I apologize if anyone is offended by the truth but it would be rather a sin for me to enter this forum and see comments that are bits of misinformation without me correcting that misinformation .

By all means, correct away… I simply stated I’m not interested in debating and should have stated - I’m not here to bash other groups. There is a difference in debating, sharing information, and learning from one another and simply trying to prove you’re right by whatever means necessary. More than likely this just isn’t the right forum for me as I was more interested in learning about Catholicism and differences in beliefs - not hearing unfounded, unintelligent remarks comparing any person or group of a different belief to that of an atheist, stating they they don’t read the Bible, etc. Actually, more respect is given to the atheists and agnostics… I don’t believe such negative statements bring anyone closer to God, but rather in some cases… Simply push them away from all churches. Wouldn’t you rather know someone had a belief in Jesus Christ than not? I realize everyone’s role is not to call and bring others to the Church, but I’m not familiar of any role to push people away by beating them over the head with how you’re correct. (even if you are)

I realize this is the nonCatholic /other religions forum, but clearly I misunderstood the purpose of this forum… I personally don’t believe sarcastic comments or generalized statements are either intelligent nor constructive while trying to learn and share. I love the truth, I love God, and admire those that fight for Him. I do not admire those who do it for a self serving purpose or just to win the fight- not the battle of bringing all to know and love God.

My earlier reply was only to answer the poster’s questions.
However, you are correct- each of us is here for their own reasons and conduct themselves however they see fit. Again, clearly I didn’t understand the purpose of this site and will now have to tell the friends I suggested CAF to as a means of learning more about Catholicism to look elsewhere for fear they run into something like this by simply asking a question.

Sometimes … It truly seems Catholics are not interested in expanding and sharing their faith and accepting anyone new. …
I don’t mean this as an insult to you or directed to you in any way. This is a generalized statement from a few of my own experiences.

Good Luck and God Bless

 

[crazzeto]

I was wondering when Baptists think that they are born again/the new birth?

I think they say a prayer=the sinner’s prayer/altar call and/or baptism too.

But lately they don’t that altar call stuff anymore.

I think they’re kind of confused about how to be born again…

Well all beleivers are born again when they are baptised with a valid baptism rite. They have that much correct. As for old school alter calls, well I was never a baptist so I can’t say. But it seems to me they still have a process of allowing the confession to take place, and bringing people into their churches.

I know one big factor in their efforst are the so called “Rapture House”'s which happen come holloween time (at least in Raleigh NC). These are big productions they put on which are to illistrate what they think the end times will look like (rapture causing confusion et. al.).

Typically these fun houses (as I tend to think of them) end with a moment where people there can think about what they’ve seen, and are offered an oppertunity to come and make that confession. So to me at least, it seems like there is the same emphisis. There are also all those ads some will put out, where it’s a step by step form where you click something, they have you read the sinners prayer, then they ask “did you read this outloud?” and if you click yes your saved…

 

[Defender1]

By all means, correct away… I simply stated I’m not interested in debating and should have stated - I’m not here to bash other groups. There is a difference in debating, sharing information, and learning from one another and simply trying to prove you’re right by whatever means necessary. More than likely this just isn’t the right forum for me as I was more interested in learning about Catholicism and differences in beliefs - not hearing unfounded, unintelligent remarks comparing any person or group of a different belief to that of an atheist, stating they they don’t read the Bible, etc. Actually, more respect is given to the atheists and agnostics… I don’t believe such negative statements bring anyone closer to God, but rather in some cases… Simply push them away from all churches. Wouldn’t you rather know someone had a belief in Jesus Christ than not? I realize everyone’s role is not to call and bring others to the Church, but I’m not familiar of any role to push people away by beating them over the head with how you’re correct. (even if you are)

I realize this is the nonCatholic /other religions forum, but clearly I misunderstood the purpose of this forum… I personally don’t believe sarcastic comments or generalized statements are either intelligent nor constructive while trying to learn and share. I love the truth, I love God, and admire those that fight for Him. I do not admire those who do it for a self serving purpose or just to win the fight- not the battle of bringing all to know and love God.

My earlier reply was only to answer the poster’s questions.
However, you are correct- each of us is here for their own reasons and conduct themselves however they see fit. Again, clearly I didn’t understand the purpose of this site and will now have to tell the friends I suggested CAF to as a means of learning more about Catholicism to look elsewhere for fear they run into something like this by simply asking a question.

Sometimes … It truly seems Catholics are not interested in expanding and sharing their faith and accepting anyone new. …
I don’t mean this as an insult to you or directed to you in any way. This is a generalized statement from a few of my own experiences.

Good Luck and God Bless

There are many forum posts that can be very useful to you in education . Now SOme of us are very passionate about our faith here . If you are being insulted (name called etc ) you can of course report this to the forum master . (someone did that to me not long ago because I suggested he was a protestant for his drive to a certain point that he had to be right even though he was clearly wrong on one issue . He was so insulted that he reported me .Meanwhile on that same day he personally insulted me and on another post insulted someone else. We did not report him we forgave him. All I am saying is stick around role with the punches you can learn alot .You can also get alot from it .

 

[Pacos_Pete]

They consider themselves saved the moment of accepting Christ as their personal savior. Baptism is done as an outward sign of following Christ and to symbolize what happened in the moment of salvation.

The belief if that once a person has invited Christ into his life, he is saved forever. Going to Heaven the moment of death is guaranteed. They do not believe that baptism is necessary for salvation.

If someone is saved, what are they still doing here? Since the purpose for this life is to see if we will live a Christ like life. If we are saved, why are we still here?

 

[Pacos_Pete]

By all means, correct away… I simply stated I’m not interested in debating and should have stated - I’m not here to bash other groups. There is a difference in debating, sharing information, and learning from one another and simply trying to prove you’re right by whatever means necessary. More than likely this just isn’t the right forum for me as I was more interested in learning about Catholicism and differences in beliefs - not hearing unfounded, unintelligent remarks comparing any person or group of a different belief to that of an atheist, stating they they don’t read the Bible, etc. Actually, more respect is given to the atheists and agnostics… I don’t believe such negative statements bring anyone closer to God, but rather in some cases… Simply push them away from all churches. Wouldn’t you rather know someone had a belief in Jesus Christ than not? I realize everyone’s role is not to call and bring others to the Church, but I’m not familiar of any role to push people away by beating them over the head with how you’re correct. (even if you are)

I realize this is the nonCatholic /other religions forum, but clearly I misunderstood the purpose of this forum… I personally don’t believe sarcastic comments or generalized statements are either intelligent nor constructive while trying to learn and share. I love the truth, I love God, and admire those that fight for Him. I do not admire those who do it for a self serving purpose or just to win the fight- not the battle of bringing all to know and love God.

My earlier reply was only to answer the poster’s questions.
However, you are correct- each of us is here for their own reasons and conduct themselves however they see fit. Again, clearly I didn’t understand the purpose of this site and will now have to tell the friends I suggested CAF to as a means of learning more about Catholicism to look elsewhere for fear they run into something like this by simply asking a question.

Sometimes … It truly seems Catholics are not interested in expanding and sharing their faith and accepting anyone new. …
I don’t mean this as an insult to you or directed to you in any way. This is a generalized statement from a few of my own experiences.

Good Luck and God Bless

CAF can get rather cystic at times. Some times I feel that to reply to a barb is like arguing with an idiot. It is hard for bystanders to tell which is the idiot.

 

[William_Pitts]

Rom 14:10-13 Why do you pass judgement on your brother or sister? Or you, why do you despise your brother or sister? For we will all stand before the judgement seat of God.
For it is written, ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.’ So then, each of us will be accountable to God. Let us therefore no longer pass judgement on one another, but resolve instead never to put a stumbling-block or hindrance in the way of another.

 

[CompSciGuy]

I would be stressed everyday too if I was always thinking “am I saved or am I not saved”.

From what I have heard of protestant accounts, they are the ones under stress for thinking this.

I would have to agree with you. I used to go to my brother’s reformed baptist church and it was like one sunday the pastor would be talking about assurance of salvation and the next week he would be telling us to ask ourselves if we were really saved. When I knew people who I knew were real, genuine believers and then fell away, it made me wonder about whether I was ‘truly’ saved. Michael Voris said it best: "What kind of assurance is it that “You’re saved! …unless you’re not.”

 

[Holly3278]

I used to be a Southern Baptist. I was taught that you become born again when you accept the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior. Of course that is totally false. You are born again at baptism.

 

[jason3477]

See, babies are not born with original sin. That’s why Jesus said=let the children come unto me becasue theirs is the Kingdom of God.

I think the age of accountability starts at around age 7-8 or so…

So, according to the Bible-in the book of Acts-ONLY Believers in Jesus were baptized… not babies… becasue babies don’t have faith nor do they have any sin…

And plus, they were all DUNKED/submerged completely in water in the book of Acts for Baptism.

See, baptism is only a symbol-it’s symbolic of our belief in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus…

 

[zz912]

See, babies are not born with original sin. That’s why Jesus said=let the children come unto me becasue theirs is the Kingdom of God.

I think the age of accountability starts at around age 7-8 or so…

So, according to the Bible-in the book of Acts-ONLY Believers in Jesus were baptized… not babies… becasue babies don’t have faith nor do they have any sin…

And plus, they were all DUNKED/submerged completely in water in the book of Acts for Baptism.

See, baptism is only a symbol-it’s symbolic of our belief in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus…

You are reading your very young and man-made tradition into the Bible. First thing, re-read the book of Acts. You will notice that WHOLE households were baptized and became believers according to the faith of JUST the head of the household. Your personal theology contradicts the Bible. Second, please point out where it says all were baptized by immersion. Considering many were baptized in a household, I highly doubt they had a large tub of water capable of dunking a grown person.

Third, could you please reconcile your theology with the Bible which quotes David saying that he was a sinner from conception. And please reconcile your theology against the Bible whenit says that entire households were baptized. Households in those days had babies in them.

And finally, could you point to somewhere in the Bible where it states that baptism is only symbolic.

 

[zz912]

See, babies are not born with original sin. That’s why Jesus said=let the children come unto me becasue theirs is the Kingdom of God.

I think the age of accountability starts at around age 7-8 or so…

I forgot one other thing. Could you explain salvation to me? I assume you would say that it is by faith alone. Once we have true faith, we are saved forever, correct? And we can do nothing to lose this since we have true faith.

Now since children have no sin, and they will go to Heaven if they die, they are saved, correct? Now let’s take a young boy one day before the age of reason. He is saved and going to Heaven. He turns one day older and has reached the age of reason. But on this day, he is a very good boy and commits no sin. Now the next day is a different story. He commits a sin. If he were to die, would he go to hell? Would this be a case of him losing his salvation? And if so, doesn’t this contradict your theology?

 

[CompSciGuy]

See, babies are not born with original sin. That’s why Jesus said=let the children come unto me becasue theirs is the Kingdom of God.

I think the age of accountability starts at around age 7-8 or so…

So, according to the Bible-in the book of Acts-ONLY Believers in Jesus were baptized… not babies… becasue babies don’t have faith nor do they have any sin…

And plus, they were all DUNKED/submerged completely in water in the book of Acts for Baptism.

See, baptism is only a symbol-it’s symbolic of our belief in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus…

WHERE in the WORLD is your reasoning coming from? How does “Let the children come to me” translate to “you were not born with original sin?”

And if Jesus says “you must be born again of water and the spirit” then where is the symbolism fit in? 1 Peter says we are saved through baptism. You need to read up more on this.