Southern Baptists and saved/born again...

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I was wondering when Baptists think that they are born again/the new birth?

I think they say a prayer=the sinner’s prayer/altar call and/or baptism too.

But lately they don’t that altar call stuff anymore.

I think they’re kind of confused about how to be born again…
 
They consider themselves saved the moment of accepting Christ as their personal savior. Baptism is done as an outward sign of following Christ and to symbolize what happened in the moment of salvation.

The belief if that once a person has invited Christ into his life, he is saved forever. Going to Heaven the moment of death is guaranteed. They do not believe that baptism is necessary for salvation.
 
They consider themselves saved the moment of accepting Christ as their personal savior. Baptism is done as an outward sign of following Christ and to symbolize what happened in the moment of salvation.

The belief if that once a person has invited Christ into his life, he is saved forever. Going to Heaven the moment of death is guaranteed. They do not believe that baptism is necessary for salvation.
That is correct. Baptism has no part in the salvation process after Christ (that is Biblical). Once saved, always saved that is correct. Where in the Holy Bible says you can lose salvation?

Take care and God Bless.

Ed
 
That is correct. Baptism has no part in the salvation process after Christ (that is Biblical). Once saved, always saved that is correct. Where in the Holy Bible says you can lose salvation?

Take care and God Bless.

Ed
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That is correct. Baptism has no part in the salvation process after Christ (that is Biblical). Once saved, always saved that is correct. Where in the Holy Bible says you can lose salvation?

Take care and God Bless.

Ed
Ed there are quite a few quotes in the bible that indicate we can lose salvation. In fact isn’t the worst sin to knowingly turn our back on the Holy Ghsot?

I will also concede there are other bible quotes that support your position of being always saved.

The arugment cannot be decided on bible quotes IMHO
 
That is correct. Baptism has no part in the salvation process after Christ (that is Biblical). Once saved, always saved that is correct. Where in the Holy Bible says you can lose salvation?

Take care and God Bless.

Ed
Revelation 22:19 - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life

Romans 11:22 - See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1 Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him** take heed lest he fall.**

Galatians 5:4 - You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are** fallen from grace**

Hebrews 6:4-6 - For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, and** are fallen away**: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.

Where does it say you can’t lose your salvation?
 
That is correct. Baptism has no part in the salvation process after Christ (that is Biblical). Once saved, always saved that is correct. Where in the Holy Bible says you can lose salvation?

Take care and God Bless.

Ed
If that is the case why did our Lord himself command baptism if it it of no use for salvation(cf. Mt 28:19)?

And remember "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mt 7.21.

Finally I suppose what do you make of 2 Pt 2:20-21 in relation to OSAS?

“For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.”

God Bless
 
Different Southern Baptists believe different things. One has to remember that the Southern Baptist statement of faith (doctrine) isn’t more than about a page long, and it’s extremely basic. From that point, people pretty much believe what “my bible tells me”. I know of two Southern Baptist congregations in the same town. One believes in “once saved, always saved”. The other doesn’t. There are other differences as well. Now and then some group will break off and either form another Baptist congregation or a non-denominational one because “their bible tells them” something different from what the preacher in their former church preached.

Southern Baptists are fond of saying “I’m not a member of any organized religion. I’m a Southern Baptist”. They say that in a joking sort of way,but there is a lot of truth to it.
 
Revelation 22:19 - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life

Romans 11:22 - See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1 Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him** take heed lest he fall.**

Galatians 5:4 - You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are** fallen from grace**

Hebrews 6:4-6 - For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, and** are fallen away**: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.

Where does it say you can’t lose your salvation?
I thought Baptist were Bible only? They certainly don’t read much of it do they! 🤷
How about St. Paul in Philippians 2:12. It’s amazing how much of the Bible is cheery picked or overlooked to suit their ideology.
And yes… Where does it say you can’t lose your salvation? :rolleyes:

Matthew
 
Believe and you’re saved (Baptists say) - possibly forever, possibly until your next sin, possibly until you lose faith - it’s all up for interpretation. There is NO authority in Baptist churches, unlike most Protestants. 🤷
 
Believe and you’re saved (Baptists say) - possibly forever, possibly until your next sin, possibly until you lose faith - it’s all up for interpretation. There is NO authority in Baptist churches, unlike most Protestants. 🤷
True, there is no authority in Baptist churches. My brother’s semi-Baptist church (Barearchia) actually teaches that you can have non-believer believers - those who had faith and lost it. They still go to Heaven. Even atheists!

Scary! :eek:
 
That is correct. Baptism has no part in the salvation process after Christ (that is Biblical). Once saved, always saved that is correct. Where in the Holy Bible says you can lose salvation?

Take care and God Bless.

Ed
Additional bible qoutes…

Matt 10:22 You will be hated by all because of my name,** but whoever endures to the end will be saved. **

Heb 10:

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

Rom 11:

20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either
 
Some very good points, however would someone who has TRULY BEEN SAVED, ever fall away? Yes, many who professed to be born again, have fallen away, just like many who get confirmed in the Catholic Church get confirmed, not really truly understanding the commitment they have made and fall away. Why is it that you as a Catholic must believe you are not saved for sure? Are you all afraid you will fall away at the last minute? Yes, agreed with all that you must continue the fight everyday against temptations to sin and sometimes we fall short. Does this mean we are now bound for hell, if we have truly been saved? If you are truly saved you will repent and return every time you fall short. And yes, just like any discipline reading the Holy Bible must be a daily routine, regardless of Catholic or Protestant. When I re-dedicated my life to Christ and was born again, the attacks from the devil became more intense. This, to me was proof that I did make the transition to truly accepting Christ as my Lord and Savior and stripped the old self. Before I was saved, no such attacks existed ( I was lost in sin, so why would the devil even bother, I was hell bound if I would have died at that moment).

Also, Jesus did state you must be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as further proof of your commitment to your fellow servants, God already knows you are sincere or not. The verse itself never says it is another condition of salvation. So in other words if I have truly repented of my sins and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, get in my car to go to church to be baptized and am killed in a car accident before I get to church, I’m not saved?? Listen to what you people are saying. How dare any of you judge my state of Grace before God almighty? Most Catholics are in a sad state. I would be stressed everyday too if I was always thinking “am I saved or am I not saved”. However, I’m not myself in a position of arrogance either. It is a daily fight against the devil. Suck it up and drive on Christians. Be assured you are truly saved if you have repented of your sins and accepted the Grace of almighty God thru the sacrifice of our Savior Jesus Christ. If you doubt, then maybe you are not.

May God Bless you all.

Ed
 
Baptist believe that it is God that does the work of us being born again. Ephesians 2 tells us that God quickens (make us alive) us unto Christ. This is a spiritual birth - being born again…
 
Some very good points, however would someone who has TRULY BEEN SAVED, ever fall away? Yes, many who professed to be born again, have fallen away, just like many who get confirmed in the Catholic Church get confirmed, not really truly understanding the commitment they have made and fall away. Why is it that you as a Catholic must believe you are not saved for sure? Are you all afraid you will fall away at the last minute? Yes, agreed with all that you must continue the fight everyday against temptations to sin and sometimes we fall short. Does this mean we are now bound for hell, if we have truly been saved? If you are truly saved you will repent and return every time you fall short. And yes, just like any discipline reading the Holy Bible must be a daily routine, regardless of Catholic or Protestant. When I re-dedicated my life to Christ and was born again, the attacks from the devil became more intense. This, to me was proof that I did make the transition to truly accepting Christ as my Lord and Savior and stripped the old self. Before I was saved, no such attacks existed ( I was lost in sin, so why would the devil even bother, I was hell bound if I would have died at that moment).

Also, Jesus did state you must be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as further proof of your commitment to your fellow servants, God already knows you are sincere or not. The verse itself never says it is another condition of salvation. So in other words if I have truly repented of my sins and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, get in my car to go to church to be baptized and am killed in a car accident before I get to church, I’m not saved?? Listen to what you people are saying. How dare any of you judge my state of Grace before God almighty? Most Catholics are in a sad state. I would be stressed everyday too if I was always thinking “am I saved or am I not saved”. However, I’m not myself in a position of arrogance either. It is a daily fight against the devil. Suck it up and drive on Christians. Be assured you are truly saved if you have repented of your sins and accepted the Grace of almighty God thru the sacrifice of our Savior Jesus Christ. If you doubt, then maybe you are not.

May God Bless you all.

Ed
Ed,

I’m pretty sure the Church teaches that our Baptism is when we are born of water and spirit at Christ said. Does She not?
 
Baptist believe that it is God that does the work of us being born again. Ephesians 2 tells us that God quickens (make us alive) us unto Christ. This is a spiritual birth - being born again…
Every baptized person has been born again, according to Christ. Jn 3:3-5. (Some) Protestants developed a different “born again” unbiblical definition that persists to this day, that of “accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior” and “accepting Jesus into your heart.” This results, according to (some, most, or all) Baptists in instant salvation.

But the teaching of the Apostles does not support this notion.

Jim Dandy
ex-Southern Baptist
 
Some very good points, however would someone who has TRULY BEEN SAVED, ever fall away? Yes, many who professed to be born again, have fallen away, just like many who get confirmed in the Catholic Church get confirmed, not really truly understanding the commitment they have made and fall away. Why is it that you as a Catholic must believe you are not saved for sure? Are you all afraid you will fall away at the last minute? Yes, agreed with all that you must continue the fight everyday against temptations to sin and sometimes we fall short. Does this mean we are now bound for hell, if we have truly been saved? If you are truly saved you will repent and return every time you fall short.<—That’s what Catholics do a better job of that then non Catholics. And yes, just like any discipline reading the Holy Bible must be a daily routine,<—The “discipline” does not include ignoring Scriptures merely because they don’t support your non Catholic "interpretation" regardless of Catholic or Protestant. When I re-dedicated my life to Christ and was born again, the attacks from the devil became more intense.<—The mistake your making here is the old “all about me ONLY” mistake. The same thing happens when Catholics re-dedicate themselves to Christ. It happens to LOTS of wayward believers when they return to Christ. It’s not all about YOUR experience. This, to me was proof that I did make the transition to truly accepting Christ as my Lord and Savior and stripped the old self. Before I was saved, no such attacks existed ( I was lost in sin, so why would the devil even bother, I was hell bound if I would have died at that moment).

Also, Jesus did state you must be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as further proof of your commitment to your fellow servants, ***<—Where did Jesus say the part I underlined, what verse? ***God already knows you are sincere or not. The verse itself never says it is another condition of salvation. So in other words if I have truly repented of my sins and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, get in my car to go to church to be baptized and am killed in a car accident before I get to church, I’m not saved?? Listen to what you people are saying. How dare any of you judge my state of Grace before God almighty? <–If you were truly certain of yourself, you’d not be worried or even complaining about it. Time to analyze YOURSELF in this matter instead of aiming all your attention outward. And who said ANYTHING about YOUR state of Grace before almighty God? -Most Catholics are in a sad state. <—So who’s judging now…you are, immediately after getting all indignant about the same thing? Beam in the eye moment?🙂 I would be stressed everyday too if I was always thinking “am I saved or am I not saved”. However, I’m not myself in a position of arrogance either. It is a daily fight against the devil. Suck it up and drive on Christians. Be assured you are truly saved if you have repented of your sins and accepted the Grace of almighty God thru the sacrifice of our Savior Jesus Christ. If you doubt, then maybe you are not.

May God Bless you all.

Ed
Ye Olde…“I guess they were never truly saved to begin with” is an old fallback position used when non-catholic theology starts falling apart in light of Biblically based Catholic teaching. When they’re confronted with a person who, for years has actually behaved like a saved Christian should behave and then suddenly changes…it’s never the obvious “falling away”…but it’s always the silly “ignore years worth of behavior and pretend his entire salvation was faked somehow”…:rolleyes:…sorry, that never works.

The “plain sense” of the Scriptures posted for you is that they were not written for unsaved folk who mistakenly thought they were saved.
This one (below) was written that way and I don’t believe it was posted by anyone as an example of losing their salvation. If it were posted as that type of example, it done wrongfully so.
MATTHEW 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Regarding “repent and return every time you fall short”…it’s the non Catholics who I heard say in reference to their own particular repetitive sin (fourth divorce in this case)…“it doesn’t matter because I’m already saved!” Where’s the repentance in that statement. It’s not there at all…it’s non existent. That’s something I’ve never heard a Catholic say.
 
Every baptized person has been born again, according to Christ. Jn 3:3-5. (Some) Protestants developed a different “born again” unbiblical definition that persists to this day, that of “accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior” and “accepting Jesus into your heart.” This results, according to (some, most, or all) Baptists in instant salvation.

But the teaching of the Apostles does not support this notion.

Jim Dandy
ex-Southern Baptist
But the Apostles taught that faith come from hearing the Word of God and God given faith is the only means of salvation

Justnobody
 
Some very good points, however would someone who has TRULY BEEN SAVED, ever fall away?

First, you need to define by what you mean “saved”…does it mean being a Christian at that point or destined to heaven.

The CC teaches that only God can judge whether we are bound to heaven or not, at the time of judgement (our earthly death).
Yes, many who professed to be born again, have fallen away, just like many who get confirmed in the Catholic Church get confirmed, not really truly understanding the commitment they have made and fall away.
 
Believe and you’re saved (Baptists say) - possibly forever, possibly until your next sin, possibly until you lose faith - it’s all up for interpretation. There is NO authority in Baptist churches, unlike most Protestants. 🤷
the Bible states many times (about 120) that salvation is the result of believing and faith, and there is authority in Baptist Churches, it starts with Jesus Christ at the head, then Pastors and then deacons. Ephesians 4 :11 and following

justnobody
 
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