Soy products very,very bad for you?

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Interesting you bring up Puerto Rico. That was where there was a huge contamination of beef at one time with hormones. A much higher amount spilled into the feed than they normally used to fatten the cattle. Believe me, SOY was not responsible for those babies starting puberty so young. It might have been related to sloppy practices such as I explained above. In that instance, there was a baby as young as one year old starting her menses.

I’m pretty sure that Asians statistically start puberty later than Caucasians. Those of sub-Saharan African descent start puberty the soonest. Girls in the United States are starting their menses earlier in this generation. One theory is that generally girls these days have more body fat.
 
I asked my doctor what to do about my eczema and he said, “Live with it. There’s nothing that can be done. I have it too.” Then I learned something about coconut oil from an alternative source and began putting it on my eczema and guess what, it is disappearing.
AnnaTherese,

What exactly did you do for your eczema? Did you find something with coconut oil in it? I have eczema and have since I was born and have used some heavy duty prescription creams, but if there’s something gentler on my skin, I’d love to know what it is! I don’t have it nearly as much as an adult, but during the winter when my skin is dry, even when I put lotion on, it comes and goes. Thanks so much! 🙂
 
Interesting you bring up Puerto Rico. That was where there was a huge contamination of beef at one time with hormones. A much higher amount spilled into the feed than they normally used to fatten the cattle. Believe me, SOY was not responsible for those babies starting puberty so young. It might have been related to sloppy practices such as I explained above. In that instance, there was a baby as young as one year old starting her menses.

I’m pretty sure that Asians statistically start puberty later than Caucasians. Those of sub-Saharan African descent start puberty the soonest. Girls in the United States are starting their menses earlier in this generation. One theory is that generally girls these days have more body fat.
Additionally, in the U. S. (and probably other countries) our water supply is tainted with all sorts of pharmaceuticals including BCP’s and HRT (from our waste products and from actually flushing unused pills down the toilet). There are also plastics that mimic estrogen (I think it’s the stuff they line canned goods such as tomatoes with).

I worry about that stuff much more than from soy, since I can control what soy I eat. There are currently no filters for pharmaceuticals.

Jennifer
 
Interesting you bring up Puerto Rico. That was where there was a huge contamination of beef at one time with hormones. A much higher amount spilled into the feed than they normally used to fatten the cattle. Believe me, SOY was not responsible for those babies starting puberty so young. It might have been related to sloppy practices such as I explained above. In that instance, there was a baby as young as one year old starting her menses.

I’m pretty sure that Asians statistically start puberty later than Caucasians. Those of sub-Saharan African descent start puberty the soonest. Girls in the United States are starting their menses earlier in this generation. One theory is that generally girls these days have more body fat.
But how does meat contamination have anything to do with babies?? The babies are being fed the SOY formula, not the contaminated beef.

I have the article right in front of me now, it comes from Total Health Magazine. The study of Puerto Rico is from 1997, done by the Lancet Journal…basically, it says that soy has plant based chemicals that mimic estrogen, and that the daily exposure to infants who consumed soy formulas was 6-11 times higher than adults who consume soy foods. It also mentions that the blood concentrations of these hormones in children were 13,000-22,000 times higher than estrogen normally found in the blood.

As the previous poster mentioned, another problem cited by the article is a chemical used in plastics, called phthalate (just don’t ask me to pronouce it…). Phthalates are everywhere, the article recomends never heating food in plastic containers, avoiding soft plastic toys, canned foods, and even personal care products that are not organic…apparently things like nail polish are high offenders. Also it mentions the problems with extra chemicals in the water which also add to the problem, the article suggest getting your water tested, and if necessary getting a filter of some kind.

The medical term for the early onset of puberty is “precocious puberty.” The article cites too many stats and studies to be typing out here (i could be here all night…slow typer). I’m not saying this one article is definative at all, but it is something to think about. I tried going to the magazine’s website, but they don’t have back issues available to view on the web. Also, a search of “precocious puberty” found 2 webarticles that ignore the influence of hormones, citing “random genetics” and body mass index.
 
AnnaTherese,

What exactly did you do for your eczema? Did you find something with coconut oil in it? I have eczema and have since I was born and have used some heavy duty prescription creams, but if there’s something gentler on my skin, I’d love to know what it is! I don’t have it nearly as much as an adult, but during the winter when my skin is dry, even when I put lotion on, it comes and goes. Thanks so much! 🙂
Mine really flared up over the summer…go figure. I can’t tell you what will happen long term yet because I’ve only been doing it a couple weeks and winter is ahead of us, but the immediate change is fascinating. Nothing else I’ve tried has produced results this good and this quickly, including and especially drugs. I used unrefined extra virgin coconut oil, nothing else, and just a teeny little dab of it. A little goes a long way. It has lauric acid in it which I think is the most powerful healing agent and is antiviral, antibacerial, etc. Look it up. It’s good for lots of things, supposedly: diabetes, constipation, heart disease, and so on ad inifinitum. It is technically considered a superfood, people who take it regularly in their food or drinks, 1-3 tablespoons a day, apparently experience weight loss! One of my friends started losing weight without even trying because of this recent addition to her diet.
 
rayne, I mentioned the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book because of the extensive photos of the people he encountered in his travels (the internet is fairly limited in photos compared to the book). They are truly amazing. It also has x-rays of this one child he worked with who had a cavity in this one tooth because of his highly processed industrial diet. Dr. Price changed his diet, adding in I think cod liver oil and butterfat and whole wheat and more animal fats in general. In three months, the tooth began to repair itself. The enamel does not repair itself but a substance called dentine actually fills in the tooth, up to the enamel then stops. Actually he did fill the tooth synthetically, and the dentine formed itself around the synthetic filling. Dentists tell you that once bone is lost it cannot be restored. Well, at least in the case of teeth, that is certainly not true. I

do not think that just because he was a dentist and not a medical doctor means that he doesn’t know enough about health in general. Most dentists do not acknowledge that if your teeth are not doing well, then that’s a sign that the whole body is not doing well, but he did. Hence, proper nutrition, which affects the whole body. A filling does not address the root of the problem, but a proper diet does. I have never heard the stories you mentioned about his root canal work but would be interested to read about them if you provide a link.
 
I don’t think there is anything wrong with making your own soy milk provided that you ferment the bean flour first. (As an aside, to the person who tried to grind soaked beans—you might try grinding them in a grain mill first, then soak them in water and whey). Soy is full of phytic acid, which is technically considered an anti-nutrient and it must be broken down. Fermenting causes the phytic acid to break down. I doubt the big soy companies make soy milk in such a simple way. Commercial soy milk is full of chemicals, last time I checked.
 
rayne, I mentioned the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book because of the extensive photos of the people he encountered in his travels (the internet is fairly limited in photos compared to the book). They are truly amazing. It also has x-rays of this one child he worked with who had a cavity in this one tooth because of his highly processed industrial diet. Dr. Price changed his diet, adding in I think cod liver oil and butterfat and whole wheat and more animal fats in general. In three months, the tooth began to repair itself. The enamel does not repair itself but a substance called dentine actually fills in the tooth, up to the enamel then stops. Actually he did fill the tooth synthetically, and the dentine formed itself around the synthetic filling. Dentists tell you that once bone is lost it cannot be restored. Well, at least in the case of teeth, that is certainly not true. I

do not think that just because he was a dentist and not a medical doctor means that he doesn’t know enough about health in general. Most dentists do not acknowledge that if your teeth are not doing well, then that’s a sign that the whole body is not doing well, but he did. Hence, proper nutrition, which affects the whole body. A filling does not address the root of the problem, but a proper diet does. I have never heard the stories you mentioned about his root canal work but would be interested to read about them if you provide a link.
proper brushing and flossing also help keep in their best shape/form;)
 
proper brushing and flossing also help keep in their best shape/form;)
Actually, according to Dr. Price’s findings, that isn’t the case at all. He discovered that tooth decay is caused not by lack of dental hygiene but by poor nutrition, especially animal fats and fat soluble vitamins such as vitamins A and D (found in cod liver oil and good quality butter in the highest amounts). He studied both primitive groups of people who were untouched by civilization and civilized groups. The primitive people typically did not brush their teeth at all and had no access to a dentist. The civilized people typically did brush their teeth and see a dentist regularly. Yet the primitive people had perfect teeth, beautiful dental arches with no crowding, exceptional facial form, completely unmatched in cilivized places. Civilized folks on the other hand had tremendous dental problems. Just look around you today. How many people do you know that have not even one cavity? Not even one tooth out of place? I can attest to this myself, actually because I was a vegetarian for a while, during the time when my daughter was teething. During that time 5 or maybe 6 of her teeth turned brown and decayed. She has had 4 fillings already from an alternative dentist. And she is only 2! After I went back to eating animal foods, the rest of her teeth came out fine. See the pictures for yourself. www.westonaprice.org
 
Actually, according to Dr. Price’s findings, that isn’t the case at all. He discovered that tooth decay is caused not by lack of dental hygiene but by poor nutrition, especially animal fats and fat soluble vitamins such as vitamins A and D (found in cod liver oil and good quality butter in the highest amounts). He studied both primitive groups of people who were untouched by civilization and civilized groups. The primitive people typically did not brush their teeth at all and had no access to a dentist. The civilized people typically did brush their teeth and see a dentist regularly. Yet the primitive people had perfect teeth, beautiful dental arches with no crowding, exceptional facial form, completely unmatched in cilivized places. Civilized folks on the other hand had tremendous dental problems. Just look around you today. How many people do you know that have not even one cavity? Not even one tooth out of place? I can attest to this myself, actually because I was a vegetarian for a while, during the time when my daughter was teething. During that time 5 or maybe 6 of her teeth turned brown and decayed. She has had 4 fillings already from an alternative dentist. And she is only 2! After I went back to eating animal foods, the rest of her teeth came out fine. See the pictures for yourself. www.westonaprice.org
Well I can attest that neither or my kids have had a cavity or rotten teeth (one is 3 and the other 15)…no braces or oral surgeries either;) …could it be the brushing, genetics and diet:confused: oh and let me add my youngest and his dad are both vegetarians
 
Weston A. Price was a dentist born in 1870. Stephen Barrett is a physciatrist which is a medical doctor whom specializes in psychiatry. He does have a lengthy bio which I posted on this thread. Stephen Barret does have his critics, the majority of which that are from the alternative medicine community.
You are right, a psychiatrist is also a medical doctor, so he does have a medical background. Thank you for that correction.

I read his bio at the web site before you posted it. His fame and some considerable income depends on his criticism of alternative medicines. That doesn’t necessarily make him wrong. That means he has a conflict of interest.

Has anyone looked up his past to see how accurate he has been in his past criticisms?
 
Well I can attest that neither or my kids have had a cavity or rotten teeth (one is 3 and the other 15)…no braces or oral surgeries either;) …could it be the brushing, genetics and diet:confused: oh and let me add my youngest and his dad are both vegetarians
Lucky you. Wish we had been so lucky. 🙂
 
This is an offshoot from another thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1587938#post1587938

Since I didn’t want to hijack spacecadet’s post I thought I’s start a seperate thread on the supposed evils of soy milk 😃 .

A particular poster stated

All these links are connected to the same foundation -the Weston A. Price Foundation.

Doing some research online I found the Weston A. Price Foundation on the quackwatch list.

quackwatch.org/04Consumer…nonrecorg.html
I take soy products…and eat organic soy yogurt…and i’m still alive! LOL I have heard mixed reviews, but i find it ASTONISHINGLY helpful with balancing hormones during ‘that time.’ Just my thoughts of soy. But, overdoing any supplement or substance can be harmful. I think moderation of soy is good for women, in particular, and good for heart disease prevention, for both men and women.
 
When I spoke on Price root canal work I meant to say unnecessary removal of root canals -sorry for the misquote.

😃 Ha ha, I think “Price” and “Root Canal” are a perfect name match. Don’t you think “Dr Price” is a perfect name for a dentist? (What is the price of a root canal these day?)
 
I noticed none of those links went into detail about exactly what studies done in the 30s proved without a shadow of a doubt that the root canal removals were unnecessary. They just seem to want you to trust what they say.

Also, the charge about Price not being concerned with any factors other than diet is not true. Read the book and see for yourself. Get it from the horse’s mouth.

I would also say that calling such things as homeopathy “dubious” is apparently from someone who is not so well educated in such things. It worked for centuries, long before there was any such thing as antibiotics, you can take them in large doses without any worry of hurting yourself, unlike drugs which always cause harm in some way, shape or form, and if you take them to excess you could quickly end up in the hospital.

I noticed the diet the last link advocates is low fat and low salt or no salt. I have heard from many sources the problems of the absymal “low-fat” and “low salt or salt free” diets. The fact is we need fat and we need salt, only it has to be the right kind. What is the food industry’s answer? Hydrogenated or rancid vegetable oils that eventually will kill us if taken to excess, and refined salt without only two nutrients: sodium and chloride, and oh, yeah, synthetic iodine, which the body doesn’t even absorb very well and can’t use. Or worse, we replace salt with MSG. Our body needs fat and salt and that’s why we want to eat them so much. So many nutrients are missing from our diets that we are truly malnourished and yet we don’t even know it. Our body craves fats because we limit them so much, so we binge on doritos and snickers bars to fill the gap. Guess what, when you eat good animal fats, those cravings—they go away. Hmmm…I can’t possibly list here all the information that I have read on this, but I just have to tell you that it resonates with me, it makes sense, it’s logical, it’s the way it was for centuries, and it makes high-profit food industries and the government mad----so it must be the right thing. 😉 Do you really think that people who lived before the twentieth century were so bad off b/c they didn’t have hydrogenated vegetable oils to replace those horrible animal fats? Or because they didn’t have toothpaste? b/c they didn’t have corn syrup to sweeten their food instead of good old-fashioned honey and maple syrup? Because they didn’t have drugs and antibiotics of all kinds? Goodness, it’s a wonder we made it this far! Isn’t it interesting too how there has never been such widespread obesity, cancer, heart disease, infertility, and on and on. People are dying at earlier ages all the time. Just this past year a young mother I know died of cancer! She wasn’t even 30 yet! Pretty soon, we will die out if we don’t change our diets and go back to traditional ways of eating. Then we won’t have a generation to pass our legacies on to.

It’s just common sense, paired with a whole lot of information from lots of different sources. Many alternative doctors are starting to see the problems with mercury fillings. My family on my husband’s side follows this Dr. Hulda Clark pretty closely and she definitely advocates removal of all mercury fillings or tooth extraction. She has some machines that detect frequencies of just about every known pathogen and substance in anything. Everything in nature has a frequency, and her machines detect different frequencies and tell her what is in what. So she can tell whether mercury has leaked into the body elsewhere and caused a problem. She can tell what parasites are in your body and what chemicals such as chlorine. In fact you can buy one of her machines or build your own according to her instructions and run the tests yourself. And she’s not the only one who has done things like this. Sorry, but calling Price a “quack” just doesn’t stack up.
 
Personally, I stay very far away from Quackwatch.com. They’re like the fundamentalists of medicine. There is one line of thought over there, and everyone else is wrong. :rolleyes:

That said, I use soy and dairy products. I love tofu and soymilk. Soy does not seem to benefit me one way or another as far as menopausal symptoms. I do know that soy is not a good idea for women with certain kinds of breast cancer, because of the bioidentical hormones. Both of my boys were on soy formula because they could not tolerate the cow’s milk based formulas. It hasn’t hurt them at all.
 
Anna,
I absolutely agree we have way too many additives in foods that are unhealthy.

People needed higher fat diets centuries ago because they didn’t sit behind computers at a desk most of the day, there was no remote control -there wasn’t even TV. People were much, much more physically active and burned up the fat they ate. Natural is better in most cases, I certainly agre with you there. But modern medicine and science isn’t the cause of all evils.Even with all the additives, chemicals, pollution, pesticides etc. we are living longer now than we ever have. In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47in the US now it is 77.

We can go back and forth on how to interpret that data and theories Price has and I just don’t think we’re going to agree. I’m just not a follower of maverick science. If Price is right (sounds like the game show:p ) modern science will eventually prove it and in the mean time I will wait. I will stick to the tried and true everything in moderation theory and take my chances with that.

God Bless.🙂
 
I would also say that calling such things as homeopathy “dubious” is apparently from someone who is not so well educated in such things. It worked for centuries, long before there was any such thing as antibiotics, you can take them in large doses without any worry of hurting yourself, unlike drugs which always cause harm in some way, shape or form, and if you take them to excess you could quickly end up in the hospital.
Obviously you don’t know what homeopathy is. It has to do with diluting posions until they don’t exhist in water (apparently the water holds the memory of the poison) and the poison is chosen based on like curing like (law of similars)–the poison that causes the same symptoms you have is used. To me, that sounds like hooey at the best and superstition and worshiping something other than God (believing something will work based on what?) at the worst. Homeopathy has only been around for 200 years. And if water has memory, Lord help us, with what’s actually IN the water today at actual concentrations…

Now herbal treatments have been around since man figured out how to use them. BUT just because something is a natural treatment doesn’t mean it’s harmless–think digitalis, it can keep a heart attack at bay or kill you. Arsenic is natural and poisonous. So is mercury.

To put all your faith only in alternative forms of medicine is silly. We have made medical advances that save lives and keep people healthy. Should we study more natural remedies, yes, but we shouldn’t throw out the advances that have been made.

Jennifer
 
I’m a big believer in holistic approaches, but homeopathy doesn’t make much sense to me. I think it works by placebo effect.

Eating whole foods, avoiding preservatives, eating fruits and veggies, eating organic foods, avoiding over processing, that all makes sense. Also, exercising regularly. These practices can prevent many problems. I also shun vaccinations and antibiotics unless there is a very strong indication for such. The key is balance and keeping the body balanced.

Once things have gone wrong, medical management is unavoidable. For instance, Type I diabeties requires standard medicine to manage. Heart failure requires pharmacetical management to deal with decreased cardiac output and fluid overload. There’s no better way to do it. If your heart rhythm is messed up, the best solution is often an implanted pacemaker. Cancer is another malady that is best approached through standard medicine. Yes, nutritional and holistic approaches can be an important component as well, but standard chemo and radiation, combined with surgury, has a proven track record.
 
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