Spacing the Sacraments

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Yes, there is a standard. Only baptized Catholics may be admitted to liturgical ministry in the Church. That is the minimum standard set down by Church documents such as Christifideles Laici (I am sure that earlier examples can be found.) Bishops and pastors are free to set stricter standards for their own flocks.
Interesting. I’ve really been interested in serving as as a lector in my parish, but I’m kind of afraid to approach my pastor about it since I was never confirmed in the Catholic faith. Thanks for the clarification though you’ve been super helpful.
 
Interesting. I’ve really been interested in serving as as a lector in my parish, but I’m kind of afraid to approach my pastor about it since I was never confirmed in the Catholic faith. Thanks for the clarification though you’ve been super helpful.
While you’re talking to your pastor, you should request the Sacrament of Confirmation. You may need to go through RCIA, or your diocese may have a different program for those who are already Catholic and who only need Confirmation.
 
St. Pius X encouraged allowing young children to receive their first Eucharist. Prior to that, Catholics would generally be confirmed, then receive first Eucharist, as a young teenager. Since he did not encourage Confirmation at a younger age, the “order” of the sacraments of initiation was effectively changed in many areas of the world. However, people who become Catholics after the age of reason still continue to be baptized, then confirmed, then receive their first Eucharist, all at once.

…No reform of Pius’ was more widely acclaimed than the Decrees on Holy Communion, and Pius X is often called “the Pope of the Eucharist.” These decrees, issued from 1905 through 1910, allowed the reception of first Holy Communion at an earlier age than had formerly been required, the frequent reception of the Holy Eucharist by all Catholics, and relaxed the fast for the sick.
ewtn.com/library/mary/piusx.htm
 
Would it be a good idea if the Sacraments of Initiation and the Sacrament of Reconciliation were spaced out a little more?

Baptism: Infants
Reconciliation: age 7
First Communion: age 14
Confirmation: age 21

These are approximate ages and of course if someone is ready they could request to receive Confirmation as young as 18. **I know there are lots of people who love the idea of everything being done as infants, but for argument sake lets say that’s not an option.
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Here’s an interesting read:
wdtprs.com/blog/2012/06/angry-priest-ive-had-it-with-sacrament-prep-of-young-people/
I couldn’t imagine denying anyone the Eucharist until age 14. Nor Confirmation until 21. It would seem that we were doing it to holding the Sacraments hostage until people paid up by attending religious classes. The Sacraments aren’t something that are earned.

And we know that once these dates were set, there are priests that would never allow anyone to receive them early, regardless of the reason.
 
Denying grace in communion to children like that would be a horrible idea.
I find denying them the grace for confirmation almost as bad. We have become like the Protestants using confirmation like a litmus test of a “believers” baptism. Having to “know what you are accepting”.

How about keep not the little Children from Me?
 
No!

The Sacraments of Initiation should be as close together as is practical. In the Western Church that would be Baptism as an infant, First Confession at age of reason and Confirmation and First Holy Communion soon after.

This is the restored order that is being used in several US dioceses and commended by Pope Benedict XVI.
I wish that were the case in ours!!

Ours I guess got better. Went from needing to be in highschool before you could even start classes to not before 14. Still way too long in my opinion. If babies can receive why not 7 year olds?
 
I find denying them the grace for confirmation almost as bad. We have become like the Protestants using confirmation like a litmus test of a “believers” baptism. Having to “know what you are accepting”.

How about keep not the little Children from Me?
In these times where the innocence of children is under relentless attack at younger and younger ages, pre-teens need the graces of Confirmation and the gifts of the Holy Spirit now more than ever.
 
Well, there is a heresy (and no, i’m not flaming, i actually think it might technically fit the definition) that believes that Confirmation is the final “acceptance” of the Christian faith, and therefore it makes you an ‘adult’ member of the church.

This isn’t supported by official church teaching, at least I think so. However, If I was proven wrong, I’d be happy to hear the objection 🙂
I don’t know if it rises to heresy, but I agree. It is being used like a believers baptism. I am so for infants receiving all the sacraments of initiation at once. Lol. My spell check put it as ignition rather than initiation. Almost left it since it is appropriate!!
 
In these times where the innocence of children is under relentless attack at younger and younger ages, pre-teens need the graces of Confirmation and the gifts of the Holy Spirit now more than ever.
While I agree with you sentiment lets not go overboard to suggest children are more at risk of moral or physical perversion than in any time in history.
 
That’s good. At my parish, you have to be confirmed to be a lector, but for others, no.
You don’t have to be Confirmed at your parish to be an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion? That’s interesting. It’s a minimum requirement in our Archdiocese. Of course, it’s also a requirement to have rec’d the 3 Sacraments of initiation and be a member in good standing in order to serve as a Godparent at a Baptism. Come to think of it, that’s also the minimum requirement for volunteering to teach religious ed classes.
 
While I agree with you sentiment lets not go overboard to suggest children are more at risk of moral or physical perversion than in any time in history.
Fair enough. But the pendulum is definitely swinging in the wrong direction.
 
Of course, it’s also a requirement to have rec’d the 3 Sacraments of initiation and be a member in good standing in order to serve as a Godparent at a Baptism.
That is a requirement of Canon Law:

**Can. 874 §1 To be admitted to undertake the office of sponsor, a person must:

1° be appointed by the candidate for baptism, or by the parents or whoever stands in their place, or failing these, by the parish priest or the minister; to be appointed the person must be suitable for this role and have the intention of fulfilling it;

2° be not less than sixteen years of age, unless a different age has been stipulated by the diocesan Bishop, or unless the parish priest or the minister considers that there is a just reason for an exception to be made;

3° be a catholic who has been confirmed and has received the blessed Eucharist, and who lives a life of faith which befits the role to be undertaken;

4° not labor under a canonical penalty, whether imposed or declared;

5° not be either the father or the mother of the person to be baptized.

§2 A baptized person who belongs to a non-Catholic ecclesial community may be admitted only in company with a catholic sponsor, and then simply as a witness to the baptism. **
 
In these times where the innocence of children is under relentless attack at younger and younger ages, pre-teens need the graces of Confirmation and the gifts of the Holy Spirit now more than ever.
I agree.
While I agree with you sentiment lets not go overboard to suggest children are more at risk of moral or physical perversion than in any time in history.
I disagree.
 
That is a requirement of Canon Law:

**Can. 874 §1 To be admitted to undertake the office of sponsor, a person must:

1° be appointed by the candidate for baptism, or by the parents or whoever stands in their place, or failing these, by the parish priest or the minister; to be appointed the person must be suitable for this role and have the intention of fulfilling it;

2° be not less than sixteen years of age, unless a different age has been stipulated by the diocesan Bishop, or unless the parish priest or the minister considers that there is a just reason for an exception to be made;

3° be a catholic who has been confirmed and has received the blessed Eucharist, and who lives a life of faith which befits the role to be undertaken;

4° not labor under a canonical penalty, whether imposed or declared;

5° not be either the father or the mother of the person to be baptized.

§2 A baptized person who belongs to a non-Catholic ecclesial community may be admitted only in company with a catholic sponsor, and then simply as a witness to the baptism. **
Yes, and we also use this as the basis for who can be commissioned to serve liturgically as Sacristan, EMHC, and lector. #'s 2-4 that is.
 
Yes, and we also use this as the basis for who can be commissioned to serve liturgically as Sacristan, EMHC, and lector. #'s 2-4 that is.
This makes sense serving as a Sacristan and EMHC, but I’m not entirely sure it makes sense that one receive all three sacraments in order to serve as a lector. Just an observation really. I understand many dioceses have different rules on this.
 
While I agree with you sentiment lets not go overboard to suggest children are more at risk of moral or physical perversion than in any time in history.
Excluding a few extremely corrupt non-western societies, I will not hesitate to say that how children are more at risk of moral and physical perversion than any time in history. Give me an instance which it is worse.

That is not over-board at all, that is a statement of fact.
 
This makes sense serving as a Sacristan and EMHC, but I’m not entirely sure it makes sense that one receive all three sacraments in order to serve as a lector. Just an observation really. I understand many dioceses have different rules on this.
Lector used to be one of the steps leading up to ordination. It’s one of the four “minor orders” along with acolyte, exorcist, and porter. (The major orders are deacon, priest and bishop). The minor orders were renamed “ministries” in the early 70’s. This renaming allowed for women to be readers too although I’m not certain what you that was allowed. I think some of the older thought about it being a “minor order” is the reason for receipt of the Sacraments of Ordination before serving in the role. That said, we do still make allowances for just about anyone to read at school liturgies, weddings, funerals, etc.
 
Lector used to be one of the steps leading up to ordination. It’s one of the four “minor orders” along with acolyte, exorcist, and porter. (The major orders are deacon, priest and bishop). The minor orders were renamed “ministries” in the early 70’s. This renaming allowed for women to be readers too although I’m not certain what you that was allowed. I think some of the older thought about it being a “minor order” is the reason for receipt of the Sacraments of Ordination before serving in the role. That said, we do still make allowances for just about anyone to read at school liturgies, weddings, funerals, etc.
I didn’t know that at all. I’ve noticed since my long departure from attending Mass that women seem to hold many more roles in the church than they did when I was a kid.
 
I didn’t know that at all. I’ve noticed since my long departure from attending Mass that women seem to hold many more roles in the church than they did when I was a kid.
Yes. I believe that is a response to a new understanding of the universal call to holiness.
Certainly women can serve in ministry; but not as ordained.
 
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