Spanish Inquisition?

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An anti-Catholic site I came across stated that a schoolmaster in Spain was hanged as a heretic in 1826 for subsituting the phrase “Ave Maria” with “Praise God” during school prayers.

Did this really happen?

Oh, and then the site compares the “Roman Catholic Queen of Heaven” with a pagan fertility godess from Babylon.
 
What evidence does the website provide that this actually happened (with the punishment of the teacher, I mean)? Do they offer quotes from documents or official records or anything as evidence?

If not, I’d have to wonder why not. If yes, I’d try to find or read those supporting documents in their entirety - it may be that the teacher was punished for something completely different and this was simply mentioned as a mere sidenote.

Secondly - there are references in the OT to a Babylonian goddess who was addresed as ‘Queen of Heaven’, yes. Just as there are references in the OT to one of the Kings (Babylonian? Assyrian? can’t remember) being addressed as ‘King of Kings’ - a title ALSO given to Christ, the Messiah, by the prophet Isaiah. Just because people prior to Christ or Mary have wrongly been called such things doesn’t mean that they can’t rightly be applied to Him or her.
 
I would STRONGLY recommend Thomas Walsh’s CHARACTERS OF THE INQUISITION.

Most conventional wisdom about the Spanish Inquisition is the result of the “black legend.”

Example–the horrible Iron Maiden. Only ONE of these exist, and it was from a PROTESTANT province.
 
I would STRONGLY recommend Thomas Walsh’s CHARACTERS OF THE INQUISITION.

Most conventional wisdom about the Spanish Inquisition is the result of the “black legend.”

Example–the horrible Iron Maiden. Only ONE of these exist, and it was from a PROTESTANT province.
I saw this forum and quite frankly this is not worth discussing. Anti-Catholics will always exaggerate and embroider. I know about the Inquisition and the conclusion is that it was not all that bad.

There were excesses of course but it did a lot of good also.

This is not worth debating.

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I would STRONGLY recommend Thomas Walsh’s CHARACTERS OF THE INQUISITION.

Most conventional wisdom about the Spanish Inquisition is the result of the “black legend.”

Example–the horrible Iron Maiden. Only ONE of these exist, and it was from a PROTESTANT province.
To the above I would just add these general resources.
The Vatican this year opened most of its secret archives on the Inquisition and held a symposium of some of the world’s top experts, declaring itself unafraid ``to submit its past to the judgment of history…’’
…For several decades scholars have been reappraising the Inquisition, and some now maintain that the justice it dispensed, though brutal, was neither capricious nor unusual for the times.
The `black legend’ has been destroyed,’’ said historian Carlo Ginzburg, author of several groundbreaking works on the Inquisition. ``But this doesn’t erase the ultimate wrongness of killing people for their ideas.’’
The Pope’s dilemma: How to confront the Inquisition, November 21, 1998
chronicle.augusta.com/stories/112198/fea_pope1.shtml

You may also want to consult the works of Ludwig von Pastor.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Pastor

Here is an interesting quote from volume 16, p. 317 of his “History of the Popes.”
The Council of Trent, as well as the Pope, did not altogether approve of the strictness of the Inquisition. In a letter to Rome, the legates of the Council openly expressed their opinion that the conditions of the time called for a procedure marked by gentleness and charity, so that those who had strayed might be brought to understand that what was desired was their return to a good life and to ecclesiastical unity, and that the Church, like a kind and loving mother, was holding out her arms to them. Similar sentiments were to be expected from the Council itself, as being a last attempt to restore the unity of Christendom. Just as after the death of Paul IV. the Council had promised a mitigation of the Index, so it was to be expected that it could and would show greater indulgence than the ordinary ecclesiastical tribunals in dealing with apostates from the Church.
The history of the popes from the close of the Middle Ages: drawn from the secret archives of the Vatican and other original sources, (1899), Antrobus, Frederick Ignatius, 1837-1903; Kerr, Ralph Francis, 1874-1932; Graf, Ernest, b. 1879, London : K. Paul, Trench, Trubner.

archive.org/details/historyofthepope16pastuoft

And here is Martin Luther commenting on the phrase “Queen of heaven,” from his *Commentary on the Magnificat (Das Magnificat) *1521.
The Latin phrase, omnes generationes, I have rendered Kinds Kind — children’s children, although literally it means “all generations.” But that is an obscure expression, and many have been hard put to it by this passage to know how it can be that all generations shall bless her, since the Jews, the heathens, and many wicked Christians blaspheme her or scorn to call her blessed…. Commentary on Lk. 1:48, LW, P. 324
Mary also freely ascribes all to God’s grace, not to her merit. For though she was without sin, yet that grace was too surpassing great for her to deserve it in any way. How should a creature deserve to become the Mother of God! Though certain scribblers make much ado about her worthiness for such motherhood, I will yet believe her rather than them…. Commentary on Lk. 1:49, Ibid. p. 327.
But we can easily take away too much from grace, which is a perilous thing to do and not well pleasing to her. It is necessary also to keep within bounds and not make too much of calling her “Queen of heaven,” which is *a true enough name *and yet does not make her a goddess, who could grant gifts or render aid, as some suppose, that pray and flee to her rather than to God. She gives nothing, God gives all, as we see in the words that follow, — “He that is mighty.” Verily, in these words she takes away all might and power from every creature and bestows them on God alone. What great boldness and robbery on the part of so young and tender a maiden! Ibid. p. 327
Luther’s Works, volume 21, Sermon on the Mount and the Magnificat, 1956, Jaroslav Pelikan, Concordia Publishing House, ISBN 057006421X
amazon.com/Luthers-Works-Sermon-Mount-Magnificat/dp/057006421X

Online here.

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See also:

Martin Luther’s views on Mary

God be praised, what an abundant, rich, and mighty thing is faith! It makes of man *in every respect a god *to whom nothing is impossible, as Christ says in Mark 9:23: “Can you have faith? All things are possible to him who has faith.” And so also Psalm 82:6 says: “You are gods and all of your children of the most High.”
Martin Luther, The Gospel for New Years Day.

Luther’s Works, Sermons II, Volume 52, Hans J. Hillerbrand (Editor), Helmut T. Lehmann (Editor), 2003, Augsburg Fortress, Publishers, ISBN-10: 0800603524 ISBN-13: 9780800603526, p. 157.

amazon.co.uk/Luthers-Works-Sermons-II-Augsburg/dp/0800603524
 
…more!

Rev. Dr. Richard Frederick Littledale (1833-1890), in Innovations, (p. 16) writes:

“Two mendacious partisans, the infamous Foxe and the not much more respectable Burnet, have so overhauled all the history of the Reformation with falsehood, that it has been well nigh impossible for readers to get at the facts.”

Innovations: A Lecture Delivered in the Assembly Rooms, Liverpool, April 23, 1868
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Henry Mayers Hyndman (1842-1921), in Historical Basis of Socialism in England, 1883, (p. 14) writes:

“Protestant divines whose creed is the devil take the hindmost here and hereafter, fail to discover but luxury, debauchery, and hypocrisy in Church of the fifteenth century. It is high time that, without any prejudice in favor of that Church, the nonsense which has been foisted on to the public by men interested in suppressing the facts should be exposed. It is not true that the Church or our ancestors was the organized fraud which it suits fanatics to represent it.”

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Sir Francis Palgrave (1788-1861), in his History of Normandy and England, 1851, (Introduction, pp. 45-46) writes:

“…men who, instead of vindicating the Reformation by the advocacy of reverence for holy things, obedience, love, charity, sought to establish righteousness through vengeance, and in all things rendering evil for evil.”

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The Rev. Arthur Penrhyn Stanley, Dean of Westminster (1815-1881), in his Life and Letters (vol. 1, p. 151) writes:

“I am convinced that Protestantism treats Catholics with shameful ignorance and unfairness.”

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Dr. Schaff, in Political Ecclesiastical Conferences, U. S. p. 230 writes:

“The Roman Catholic Church is bemired from day to day with all possible calumnies.”

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“In scarcely a single instance has a case concerning them (Catholics) been fairly stated; the channels of history not grossly, not to say wickedly, corrupted.”

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Henry Hallam, in his Introduction to the History of Literature in the Fifteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Centuries (in 4 vols.), vol. 1, 1880, p. 305-307 writes:

"Whatever may be the bias of our minds as to the truth of Luther’s doctrines, we should be careful in considering the Reformation as part of the history of mankind, not to be misled by the superficial and ungrounded representations which we sometimes find in modern writers.

“Such as this, that Luther, struck by the absurdity of the prevailing superstitions, was desirous of introducing a more rational system of religion; or that he contended for freedom of inquiry, and the boundless privileges of individual judgment; or what others have pleased to suggest, that his zeal for learning and ancient philosophy led him to attack the ignorance of the monks, and the crafty policy of the church, which withstood all liberal studies. These notions are merely fallacious refinements, as every man of plain understanding, who is acquainted with the early reformers, or has considered their history, must acknowledge.”

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GREATER AUTHORITY.

"The greatest of all writers on the reformation was Ludwig Pastor, a son of a sincere Lutheran father, who was prompted to write the history of the Popes (in German) after he read the historian [Leopold von] Ranke’s version.

"He asked for permission of Rome to do research work in the Vatican archives. Pope Leo XIII granted it, and then threw open the Vatican archives and library to the historians of the world, claiming the church has nothing to gain by hiding the truth.

"The average non-Catholic does not seem to know that the Church has a Diary running back to the times of primitive Christianity and is, therefore, what was the belief and practice of the Church in every century from the council of Nice in the year 325.

“Pastor quotes from *more than 500 historians of many nationalities *to support what he writes in his Geschichte der Papste. Ahead of him Johann Janssen had written a work entitled History of the German People. He died after completing six volumes and Ludwig Pastor finished it in two more volumes. Pastor wrote his story objectively from data filed when and where took place, whether the same were favorable or unfavorable to the Church.”

Source: The Martin Luther Motion Picture: Unhistorical – Unbiblical – Unfair, a small pamphlet published by Our Sunday Visitor, Nov. 18, 1953.

amazon.co.uk/Martin-Luther-motion-picture-Unhistorical/dp/B0007FIGA4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219240454&sr=1-2

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