Are you referring to the memorial acclamation? Or was this something else?
Something else.
Perhaps they were the Spanish equivalents of, “My Lord and My God,” “My Jesus, Mercy,” or other such prayers. Those were what so many of us English speakers were taught to say (silently) during the elevations.
More than likely, it’s “Senor mio. Dios mio.”…My Lord. My God.
It’s traditional to say “My Lord and My God,” the words of St. Thomas the Apostle, at that moment. If you listen closely, you can hear people whispering it all around you at my parish.
Let me preface be saying that I will not argue against what other laypeople want to do with their hands. I go to Latin Mass, don’t see any of them, and don’t much care. (Well, I do hear a lot of “My Lord and my God.” It’s not just kept by Hispanics.)I hope this isn’t too off topic, and maybe it should be another thread, but I have a question.
As far as I know, this is not something that is in the rubrics, and based on some of the info in this thread, it is just a “pious custom” that has been kept by some Hispanic Catholics, so how come it’s OK to do?
So many times we see threads that are anti- hand holding during the Our Father, anti-orans position, anti-sign of peace for the laity, etc, etc, etc., none of which are prescribed in the GIRM, and are often called “abuses”, why isn’t this?
Isn’t this akin to the same thing? Or is it because it is “cultural” and no one wants to be accused of being intolerant?
I really mean no disrespect, I am actually curious. How can one “innovation” be an abuse, but another be a “pious custom”, or does it all depend on the person who is objecting?
Actually these are fair points. But aren’t the bishops allowed to interpret the IGMR for their own cultures?I hope this isn’t too off topic, and maybe it should be another thread, but I have a question.
As far as I know, this is not something that is in the rubrics, and based on some of the info in this thread, it is just a “pious custom” that has been kept by some Hispanic Catholics, so how come it’s OK to do?
So many times we see threads that are anti- hand holding during the Our Father, anti-orans position, anti-sign of peace for the laity, etc, etc, etc., none of which are prescribed in the GIRM, and are often called “abuses”, why isn’t this?
Isn’t this akin to the same thing? Or is it because it is “cultural” and no one wants to be accused of being intolerant?
I really mean no disrespect, I am actually curious. How can one “innovation” be an abuse, but another be a “pious custom”, or does it all depend on the person who is objecting?
I would say yes, but the OP is from the US, and I assume he is talking about a Spanish Mass that is being held in the US, so…
OK, I have a real answer this time and not just my opinion. This is from the Fr. Lasance prayer book:I would say yes, but the OP is from the US, and I assume he is talking about a Spanish Mass that is being held in the US, so…
my question still stands. How come this is OK, but me holding my hands in the “orans” posture (which is clearly shown in many of the catacomb frescoes and to address something in Rich C’s post above) is called “abusive” and I am accused of trying to be a priest?
And again, I am not trying to be argumentative. I genuinely do not understand how one thing can be OK, and something else is not. I guess it really is all based on the person who is objecting and what they are objecting to, not so much that something is being done that is not prescribed in the rubrics.
So in the end, this turns out to be an official thing from the pope himself.
Perhaps Catholics who are familiar with the Mass from the 1950s and earlier, both English and Spanish speaking, can answer a question.I really mean no disrespect, I am actually curious. How can one “innovation” be an abuse, but another be a “pious custom”, or does it all depend on the person who is objecting?
But what does he mean by, “say”? I question whether the Pope was referring to phonating the words.
If you look at my post #15, I may have found the origin of this.
I think unless we know better, “say” should be interpreted as “say,” as in out loud.
The texts of the Spanish Masses are agreed upon by Spanish bishops of other countries and I imagine some of the rubrics and customs are as well. The local bishop “allows” these within his own diocese when he “allows” Spanish Masses there, I would think. (I put the quotes there as there may be some pressure from Rome to employ more Spanish priests and deacons in some dioceses. According to a source, liturgically the U.S. is regarded now as a bilingual country.)