"Spanish Masses" and organs: are they mutually exclusive?

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You’re right, but that’s just silly national rivalry. They’ll beat the tar out of each other after arguing in a common language – Spanish. Every region has its own version of cultural syncretism, due to the melding of different peoples with Spanish culture, but the dominant culture remains Spanish, nonetheless.
Yes, that is pretty much true, but sometimes we (Hispanics) tend to emphasize our differences rather than our similarities. This you can tell by the descriptors we use to describe ourselves.

Anyway, at least that’s my experience. Today at the Mass I went to, which is our bi-lingual Mass, we had guitars. We almost always sing the Gloria, the Santo, and the Angus Dei in Spanish (even at the English Masses).
 
Last night I had a very strange experience at Mass last night. I was already feeling better from a migraine when my dad asked me to accompany him to Mass at the Cathedral This particular Mass is celebrated bilingual and sometimes is the setting for weddings and Quince Anos celebrations.

Unfortunately, the organist was on vacation. Lo and behold, the administrator (who happens to be the diocesan director of divine worship) invited the Neocatechumenal community to provide the music for the Mass. :bigyikes:

Things went downhill even before Mass began. The “cantor” started giving us a philosophy on music before he practiced the psalm. Then, he strummed his guitar loudly and blasted out the psalm response. It wasn’t even music. It was screaming and wailing. My head started to hurt once more. :crying:

My father suggested that I wait out in the jeep. I told him that I needed to tough it out. The people didn’t respond very well to the singing. The Alleluia was just as bad.

Then, the bongos made their way. The bottom line is that the whole Mass was a musical mess. The Neocatechumenal group sang its own songs, including parts of the Mass that deviated from what is prescribed in the Roman Missal. Even the Communion hymn constituted wailing and screaming. All of the music was in Spanish.

After Mass, the diocesan director asked me what was wrong. I was in no condition to really vent a complaint, as all I wanted to do was get home and take my migraine medicine. However, I do not think that it is correct to have a group “leading” the faithful in song, especially if the parts of the Mass differ from the norm, no one in the pews knows the songs and the group is not at all familiar with the regular Mass. Furthermore, on a pastoral note, they should have adequately prepared their music and “adapted” their style to what is normally done at the Mass.

Mind you, I was very disappointed with the administrator. As our director for divine worship, he should know better. He should also realize that you can’t mix things up. In this case, it was better to not have music and simply have the faithful sing the parts of the Mass that they know rather than bring something completely disjointed and disconcerting.

I told my PV about what happened. He served as the Cathedral’s first rector and had to contend with the Neocatechumenal Movement. He understood my perspective. Interestingly enough, when our choir is absent, my PV leads us in singing the parts of the Mass and in reciting the antiphons. This happens whether or not the Mass is in English or in Spanish. This is certainly a much better approach than what we endured last night.

Although, I would submit to you that I certainly would not have gone for Mariachis. Incidentally, the Mariachi music is a relatively new thing. It is not suitable for the Mass, especially when the group turns it into a performance. The parts of the Mass are less than ideal because the Kyrie sounds too joyful (we are, after all, imploring God’s mercy) and the rest of it sounds more like a fiesta than the Mass (which needs to have some degree of solemnity, majesty, dignity and sobriety). What is worse is that in some cases, quite a few parishes turn the “Mariachi Mass” into some sort of tourist attraction.
 
bpbasilpx are you a real bishop in the Eastern Orthodox Church?
 
One of our neighboring parishes (which is the mother church of our city) has a horrible and bordering-on-sacrileges “conjunto/Tejano” mass. Conjunto/Tejano music is the music of beerhalls and cantinas. It isn’t sacred. It’s quite profane. The accordion music makes one think that the bread and wine is being replaced by beer and pretzels. That parish is run by the Fathers of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. It’s quite sad.

Our pastor, who is also the vicar general of the diocese, has done his best to insure that masses at our parish are sober and reverent. Although the 10:30 Spanish Mass has the usual guitar choir, that choir plays in a quiet and respectful fashion.

There is another parish in the diocese in a neighboring city, run by the Congregation of the Oratory which I think has the model liturgies for the diocese. They have turned the priest around to face “liturgical east.” Their Masses (English, Spanish, Latin OF and EF) are comparable to the Masses on EWTN.
 
mariachi is only one kind of music heard in Spanish-language Masses, its origin is Mexico in bands who played for wedding celebrations, and any mariachi I have heard at churches in Texas has been reverent, exremely well performed incidentally, and totally in service to the liturgy. There is as wide variety in liturgical music in Spanish language Masses as in liturgy in general. guitar, mandolin and other stringed instruments are even older and more tradtional than the strings plus horns of mariachi.

Mass in parishes with a large Cubana membership usually have music of an entirely different sound, even when some of the same instruments are used.

in churches and cathedrasls that do have organs, I have often heard them used in the S-L Masses, when there is someone able to play it. the fact is that a lot of the liturgical music written in the last 30 years or so, esp the bi-lingual, is written for guitar and similar instruments, not organ, but that is not music coming from Hispanic culture, any more than the ersatz folk-rock in English has basis in either liturgical or musical heritage.
 
Attended a Spanish Mass yesterday, which was accompanied by a Panamenian band. The music was awesome. Man…it was professional-quality.👍
 
One of our neighboring parishes (which is the mother church of our city) has a horrible and bordering-on-sacrileges “conjunto/Tejano” mass. Conjunto/Tejano music is the music of beerhalls and cantinas. It isn’t sacred. It’s quite profane. The accordion music makes one think that the bread and wine is being replaced by beer and pretzels. That parish is run by the Fathers of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. It’s quite sad.

Our pastor, who is also the vicar general of the diocese, has done his best to insure that masses at our parish are sober and reverent. Although the 10:30 Spanish Mass has the usual guitar choir, that choir plays in a quiet and respectful fashion.

There is another parish in the diocese in a neighboring city, run by the Congregation of the Oratory which I think has the model liturgies for the diocese. They have turned the priest around to face “liturgical east.” Their Masses (English, Spanish, Latin OF and EF) are comparable to the Masses on EWTN.
My wife is from Central America. She finds Tejano music frighteningly bad. I don’t mind it for a short while. I prefer folkloric, traditional Spanish and Spanish American music. When I lived in Paraguay, I fell in love with the local harp music, mixed with Spanish guitar. Great, great music. 👍
 
There is no prohibition against the use of the organ in a mass in Spanish, Portuguese or Italian, but it is not part of the liturgy in these cultures. It is becoming more common, but it is unlikely that it will ever replace the guitar among the Spanish speaking Catholics.
The guitar is considered to be a superior instrument by this culture.
I live in a Latin American country. Many parishes use organ, guitar is very popular but not because is considered superior but becasue is easier to play (the basics to accompany songs)
 
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