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Does anyone know of any Spanish-Latin missals sold for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass?
 
Thanks for the link! Would you happen to know whether there’s anywhere with the propers of the Mass available in Spanish also?
Just as a side question, has anyone else noticed that the Spanish translation of the Novus Ordo seems a little odd?
 
Just as a side question, has anyone else noticed that the Spanish translation of the Novus Ordo seems a little odd?
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The English translation is no great bargain either. The Polish translation is much better.
 
Sí, este enlace tiene el ordinario de la Misa como está escrito en el Misal que usamos en la iglesia. Pero nunca he asistido a una misa donde fuera recitada así. Cada vez que he ido a misa en español, siempre han cantado himnos que no se encuentran en el ordinario. Algunas diferencias no me molestan tanto (por ejemplo “ustedes” en vez de “vosotros”, o “con su espíritu” en vez de “con tu espiritu”), pero otros me parecen un poco raro (por ejemplo “te alabamos Señor” en vez de “gloria a ti Señor”). Tampoco entiendo porqué cantan otro himno en vez del Sanctus o el Agnus Dei…A mi me da pena porque en mi experencia, los sacerdotes hispanoparlantes suelen ser buen predicadores y siempre aprendo mucho al escucharles, pero no puedo acostumbarme de la misa carismatica, así que ya ni voy a la misa en castellano.
 
Just as a translation for non-Spanish speakers:

Yes, this link has the text of the Novus Ordo in Spanish the way it’s in the misalettes at church. But I’ve never been to a Spanish mass which used the same text. At every Spanish mass I’ve been to they’ve used songs that aren’t in the Ordinary instead. Some of these differences don’t really bother me (for example “you” instead of “thou” or “and with your spirit” instead of “and with Thy spirit”), but others seem a little odd (like “we worship you Lord” instead “praise to you Lord Jesus Christ/ glory to you, O Lord”). I also don’t understand at all why they replace the Sanctus and Agnus Dei with other songs. It’s really sad because the Spanish-speaking priests tend to be very good homilists and I always learn alot from them but I simply can’t get used to Charismatic masses so I don’t even bother going to mass in Spanish anymore.
 
My Spanish isn’t the best, so I’ll try to translate and you can tell me how I do so we’re on the same page 🙂

Sí, este enlace tiene el ordinario de la Misa como está escrito en el Misal que usamos en la iglesia.

Yes, this website has the ordinary of the mass; what is written in the missal is used in Mass.

Pero nunca he asistido a una misa donde fuera recitada así.

But I have never attended a Mass where it was recited like this

Cada vez que he ido a misa en español, siempre han cantado himnos que no se encuentran en el ordinario.

Whenever I went to a Spanish Mass, they always sang songs taht weren’t included in the Ordinary (of the Mass)

Algunas diferencias no me molestan tanto (por ejemplo “ustedes” en vez de “vosotros”, o “con su espíritu” en vez de “con tu espiritu”), pero otros me parecen un poco raro (por ejemplo “te alabamos Señor” en vez de “gloria a ti Señor”).

There exist differences that don’t bother me much (For example they should speak in a more formal tone [literal translation- impossible!]), but others seem a little rarer (for example “we praise you Lord” instead of “Glory to your, Lord”)

Tampoco entiendo porqué cantan otro himno en vez del Sanctus o el Agnus Dei…

I do not understand why they sing another hymn other than than teh Sanctus or Agnus Dei…

A mi me da pena porque en mi experencia, los sacerdotes hispanoparlantes suelen ser buen predicadores y siempre aprendo mucho al escucharles, pero no puedo acostumbarme de la misa carismatica, así que ya ni voy a la misa en castellano.

It gives me pain because in my experiance, the Spanish-speaking priests are use dto being preachers and I always learn listening to them, but i am not to the Charismatic Mass, thus I don’t even know if I am in a Castilian Mass (when I go there)

How’d I do (I’m still learning Spanish)

And to respond, it does seem strange that God is addressed using the “tu” form as opposed to the “Usted” form. Is this common in Romance languages when speaking to God? And it is also bizarre that the Sanctus or Agnus Dei is ever subsituted (an liturgical abuse, I’ll warrant)
 
What if I wanted to get a nice, new, leather-bound spanish 1962 Daily Missal for my mom? Any ideas where I could find one? Are there any spanish publishers of the '62 missal in the U.S.?

I think she’d appreciate this as a Christmas present (along with a mantilla 😛 ). She’s a charismatic, but I’m tryin’ to traditionalize her, and she seems open to it. She even went to a TLM with me and enjoyed it 😃
 
JuanCarlos said:
How’d I do (I’m still learning Spanish)

And to respond, it does seem strange that God is addressed using the “tu” form as opposed to the “Usted” form. Is this common in Romance languages when speaking to God? And it is also bizarre that the Sanctus or Agnus Dei is ever subsituted (an liturgical abuse, I’ll warrant)
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Actually, I don’t find it strange at all addressing God as Tu, that’s how Romance speakers did it when we were still speaking Latin 😉 . But priests on the other hand, usually Latin Americans (well, Mexicans at least) tend to be pretty polite and can’t really bring themselves to say “tu” to a priest so I can understand why they change that.
Just as a side note, I guess the equivalent of “thou” when speaking to God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and Saints in Spanish is to “vos” them. For instance “En Vos confio” - I trust in Thee, “Os rogamos” - We beseech thee, or “Vos sois mi fortaleza” - Thou art my strength, etc. It seems this practice isn’t as common since Vatican II, all my grandma’s devotionals use the “vos” forms, but the more recent stuff I buy from the local Catholic bookstore usually either use “tu” or conjugate everything according to “tu” but use the pronoun “vos”.
As far as substituting the Ordinary parts of the Mass, it’s really strange, the last time I went to mass in Spanish I didn’t even realize I was supposed to kneel because I was still waiting for the Sanctus 😦 .
You did good at translating, btw. It’s good to see you’re studying the Spanish language, don’t give up!
 
Dauphin said:
What if I wanted to get a nice, new, leather-bound spanish 1962 Daily Missal for my mom? Any ideas where I could find one? Are there any spanish publishers of the '62 missal in the U.S.?

I think she’d appreciate this as a Christmas present (along with a mantilla 😛 ). She’s a charismatic, but I’m tryin’ to traditionalize her, and she seems open to it. She even went to a TLM with me and enjoyed it 😃
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There simply MUST be a publishing house in the US, Spain or Latin America that is publishing this…

I don’t know who is doing so, but my first inclination would be to contact the FSSP or the Institute of Christ the King and ask them where one might be procurred. I would think, given their international membership, that they would have someone aware of who is publishing such a text.
 
I think the cause for the decline of the “vos” form isn’t Vatican II, but a general decline; they don’t even teach that form in school anymore. My Spanish teacher said only in Argentina and some parts of Spain is it retained; most people use Ustedes instead.

Languages are fascinating!
 
Actually, the “vos” from Argentina (it’s actually quite common in other parts of Latin America as well) is different from the “vos” used in prayer. The “Argentinian” one is basically a replacement for “tu”. The one used in church is kind of like a more churchy version of “usted” in that it’s used to show reverence to God and his Saints. They’re both conjugated somewhat differently.
 
mikeanayaus said:
Thanks for the link! Would you happen to know whether there’s anywhere with the propers of the Mass available in Spanish also?
Just as a side question, has anyone else noticed that the Spanish translation of the Novus Ordo seems a little odd?
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Dauphin said:
What if I wanted to get a nice, new, leather-bound spanish 1962 Daily Missal for my mom? Any ideas where I could find one? Are there any spanish publishers of the '62 missal in the U.S.?

I think she’d appreciate this as a Christmas present (along with a mantilla 😛 ). She’s a charismatic, but I’m tryin’ to traditionalize her, and she seems open to it. She even went to a TLM with me and enjoyed it 😃
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Try ebay! When I was looking for mine, they had Latin-Spanish, Latin-French and some other languages.
 
I finally found someone who sells Spanish 1962 Missals!

Pax House sells the 1966 Edition of the Latin-Spanish St. Andrew’s Missal. It’s on their website under “Liturgical Books and Church Music”:

paxhouse.com/

Apparently, they have about 30 in stock.

Currently, no one in the world is printing a Latin-Spanish 1962 Missal. These are just leftover copies from a previous print. It’s a shame that such a large portion of Christendom has such limited access to the '62 Missal! :mad:
 
mikeanayaus said:
I also don’t understand at all why they replace the Sanctus and Agnus Dei with other songs. It’s really sad because the Spanish-speaking priests tend to be very good homilists and I always learn alot from them but I simply can’t get used to Charismatic masses so I don’t even bother going to mass in Spanish anymore.
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This does not happen at all NO Spanish masses. I’ve been to mass in Spanish even though I’m not fluent. It had all of the correct mass parts and was not charismatic. One time I went to Spanish daily mass for weeks because it fell partially across my adoration hour and the priest was from Mexico. Nothing was changed or left out. A couple of times I’ve been to the vigil liturgy in Spanish as part of a women’s retreat weekend. The priest is a very traditional monk, so I know no odd substitutions happened.

Maybe you could go to a nearby parish or monastery with Spanish mass or even your cathedral?
 
I have a 1957 latin/spanish missal. Any importat differences between the 1957 and the 1962?
The reason Vos is not longer used is that the difference between vos and tu (thou and you) is not longer made in Spanish. In most dialects is only tu, and in Central America and Argentina is only vos. So Ordo Novos masses use only tu.
 
<<And to respond, it does seem strange that God is addressed using the “tu” form as opposed to the “Usted” form. Is this common in Romance languages when speaking to God?>>

Not at all.

“TU” is cognate of the French “TOI,” German “DU”, and English “THOU.”

These words have always been used in their respective langauge to address God.

What has happened in contemporary English is that the second person singular (thou) has totally disappeared from common spech, except in prayer and deliberate archaism.
 
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