Speaker teaching Islam INSIDE CHURCH

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What is permitted? Why is it permitted to teach the beliefs and prayers of Islam and Mohammed INSIDE a CATHOLIC CHURCH?

I attended a one-night “class” which was held inside a local Catholic church.

The speaker stood 15 feet approx. from the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle.

I’m writing about it on my blog and I want to give readers an accurate position of the Church.

Pope Benedict XVI must stop this!
 
Dolores, don’t stir up muck by making a general rant about something you don’t happen to like without giving any details or facts. Many Catholic scholars can and have benefited enormously and enhanced their faith enormously by learning about other faiths as well.

What exactly was said and/or taught? By whom? And HOW was it presented, more importantly? Was it simply ‘this is what Muslims do/say/think’ or ‘this is what YOU must do/say/think?’

Please, no one else respond to this post until further details have been provided.
 
Dolores, don’t stir up muck by making a general rant about something you don’t happen to like without giving any details or facts. Many Catholic scholars can and have benefited enormously and enhanced their faith enormously by learning about other faiths as well.

What exactly was said and/or taught? By whom? And HOW was it presented, more importantly? Was it simply ‘this is what Muslims do/say/think’ or ‘this is what YOU must do/say/think?’

And what were you doing there in the first place? Most classes are well advertised in advance, including the speaker (their name and qualifications) as well as the general subject matter. What did the promotional material on your class say?

Please, no one else respond to this post until further details have been provided. It’s not worth it
 
I agree with LilyM on this one.
Is there a link to the church website that did this and their reasoning?
Without more details there is nothing to respond to.
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I would also like to hear more details, but in general I have no problem and even endorse the teaching of faiths outside our own.

My children learn these things in their conservative Catholic high school, and they write papers comparing other religions with the One True Faith, the Catholic Church and her teachings as we believe them.

To me, it helps to know what others outside our own boundaries are saying because it better prepares us for apologetics and even so far as to understand how to do spiritual – and even physical – warfare with these people when they turn into enemies for us.

Again, all these comments are subject to reconsideration given the facts of this case, but in general I don’t think I’d know what “Catholicism” looked like myself, unless with the help of others I have looked at it from the outside. Now I see what it looks like from inside out and outside in, and am prepared to proclaim the Good News that the teachings of the Catholic Church are sufficient to bring us all to eternal peace, with our faith, hope, and love.

Alan
 
Well, from what I could see he was completely wrong to say that Jerusalem was originally Islamic, of course. Any remotely educated Catholic (or Christian for that matter) would be aware of this of course, and he would immediately lose credibility. The other thing he may have been guilty of is misrepresenting unduly favourably the position of dhimmi in Islam, although I doubt that even the idea of paying a tax based on religious preference would be appreciated by the audience.

Now let’s look at the rest of his statements that you’ve reported:

Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam? Totally accurate (after Mecca and Medina) Of course it’s ALSO the holiest city of the Jews and probably of the Christians too, which complicates matters.

America is only 6% of the world’s population and Islam is spreading? Accurate, possibly he overemphasised it in the presentation.

Israelis stole their land from the Palestinians? Arguably true (the Palestinians had, after all, only been there for the best part of a millenium or so - but I’ll freely admit that I’m not familiar with the circumstances of how the Jews left and the Arab Palestinians gained control of the land).

The West is an intruder? There are a fair number of Jews as well as Muslims (not to mention people from just about every continent other than Europe and North America) who would agree with this. Not saying the majority do or that it’s true.

His point about Sunnis and Shias has been totally misinterpreted in your blog - he was simply saying that they would probably never get together, just as Protestants and Catholics probably won’t. No moral equivalency intended at all.

Doesn’t sound like an especially intelligent or noteworthy speech, biased in favour of Islam but nowhere near worth the histrionics of your original post, and none of the ‘Islamic prayers’ taught that you made such a fuss of in your original post. Not worth the time and effort you or I have spent on it, frankly.
 
LilyM said:
His point about Sunnis and Shias has been totally misinterpreted in your blog - he was simply saying that they would probably never get together, just as Protestants and Catholics probably won’t. No moral equivalency intended at all.

Doesn’t sound like an especially intelligent or noteworthy speech, biased in favour of Islam but nowhere near worth the histrionics of your original post, and none of the ‘Islamic prayers’ taught that you made such a fuss of in your original post. Not worth the time and effort you or I have spent on it, frankly.
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I agree 👍

I think we have to be careful about painting people with a broad brush. Yes, there are terrorists in Islam, and there are some violent people, but we have to also realise that there are many Muslims in the U.S. that have never caused any problem, and get along with people of other faiths just fine. I live in Michigan, about 20 miles away from the largest Islamic community in the country, it seems that if all that is said is true of all Muslums we would all be dead by now.

We have a responsibity to respond with Christian charity to Muslims as well as others.
 
The difference is whether he was preaching or teaching, though to devout Muslims there is not much difference, but my main point in posting is to relate a true abuse:

I used to teach at a Catholic school in the East Coast US, so there were no minor apes swinging from the trees (hint, hint) , and once we had school Mass where a Sikh boy read from the Koran. I didn’t even know the Sikhs used the Koran (I still suspect they don’t, and it was to me an over-the-top example of false ecumenism) even by liberal standards, It didn’t take the place of a biblical reading, but it take place during the liturgy of the word.
 
It sounds like you are trying to spread fear to this forum. And I am sure that this speaking engagement probally did not happen inside the church it was held in the Parish Center.
 
LilyM said:
Dolores, don’t stir up muck by making a general rant about something you don’t happen to like without giving any details or facts. Many Catholic scholars can and have benefited enormously and enhanced their faith enormously by learning about other faiths as well.

What exactly was said and/or taught? By whom? And HOW was it presented, more importantly? Was it simply ‘this is what Muslims do/say/think’ or ‘this is what YOU must do/say/think?’

And what were you doing there in the first place? Most classes are well advertised in advance, including the speaker (their name and qualifications) as well as the general subject matter. What did the promotional material on your class say?

Please, no one else respond to this post until further details have been provided. It’s not worth it
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Apostasy.
 
kevinas2 said:
…And I am sure that this speaking engagement probally did not happen inside the church it was held in the Parish Center.
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Now hold on a minute. If the OP says she was present at this talk, and that it was in her church with the speaker standing “15 feet approx. from the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle”, then I think it’s pretty presumptuous for someone who was not there to say it was not in the church but in the parish center. Or were you there?
 
Leopard said:
Now hold on a minute. If the OP says she was present at this talk, and that it was in her church with the speaker standing “15 feet approx. from the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle”, then I think it’s pretty presumptuous for someone who was not there to say it was not in the church but in the parish center. Or were you there?
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She did not say that it was her church. She said that she attended a local Catholic Church.
 
e-catholic said:
I agree 👍

I think we have to be careful about painting people with a broad brush. Yes, there are terrorists in Islam, and there are some violent people, but we have to also realise that there are many Muslims in the U.S. that have never caused any problem, and get along with people of other faiths just fine. I live in Michigan, about 20 miles away from the largest Islamic community in the country, it seems that if all that is said is true of all Muslums we would all be dead by now.

We have a responsibity to respond with Christian charity to Muslims as well as others.
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Careful, careful! I understand where you are coming from when you speak of the individual person, but you got to remember what is true Islam. Muslims that are peaceful to their non-muslim neighbors are not good practicing muslims. Sorry to put it that way, but it’s the truth. The “terrorists” in Islam are only following their founder of their Islamic faith.

The OP has EVERY reason to be cautious. There is an old saying for those who practice fundamental Islam, “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.” That is especially true here in America. Certain muslims go and “befriend” Christian Churches, visit and speak in them, and usually the agenda is to get the church to sympatize with theirs and the Palestinean cause, while bashing all Israel.
 
Dolores49 said:
What is permitted? Why is it permitted to teach the beliefs and prayers of Islam and Mohammed INSIDE a CATHOLIC CHURCH?

Pope Benedict XVI must stop this!
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I feel for you, truely, really. The cut to the heart of the matter, the real problem is that according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 841, Muslims together with the Catholics, “adore the one, merciful God.”
 
I just realized someone dug up a year old post, but the issue is even more relevant today.
 
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