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exoflare
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I didn’t want to feed into the pointless discussion going on in the other thread, but this point really caught my attention… seeing how it’s completely false and all that. Care to try and back this up somehow?
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Sam_777
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Which Church is that , maybe that Church teaches the fake book of Bernaba also.
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ChristopherL
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Good thread.
Here are some Pastors that have millions of followers, that are speaking out.
Parsley
Swaggart Jr.
Graham Jr.
Also the Pope.
Here are some Pastors that have millions of followers, that are speaking out.
Parsley
Swaggart Jr.
Graham Jr.
Also the Pope.
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Sam_777
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inJESUS
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nop. After all, there is a difference between speaking against Muslims and speaking against Islamic teachings.what
Are they saying “speaking against Islam is forbidden” ?
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dolphinlove
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Well since i did take part in said discussion, ill add my 2c worth.
I will not sit silent and allow my fellow Christians be fed untruthful teachings on false religions.
I think thats the best way i can put it.
There is nowhere that says we cant extinguish false teachings.
I will not sit silent and allow my fellow Christians be fed untruthful teachings on false religions.
I think thats the best way i can put it.
There is nowhere that says we cant extinguish false teachings.
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Glaucon
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I agree completely with Chuck Norris when he wrote:
That was regarding Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth, by the way, but it pretty much applies to any belief system that could prove to be harmful in the long run.
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catharina
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This “titled” line, taken out of context (of course) is from one of the most hate-filled threads that I’ve ever seen in any forum on CA. That thread was closed due to its failure in Charity.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=245934
That some boys and girls (they should get off so easily, as innocent children!) have joined together to bash/smash and assault Islam speaks for itself.
I quoted the Holy Father’s most recent comment on our stand in relation to Islam.
Now, I’ll quote a similar item - then I’m out of here:
"VATICAN - Benedict XVI tells the Bishops of Bangladesh: “the most important contribution we can bring to interreligious dialogue is our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth, ‘the way, the truth and the life.’”
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In addressing the subject of interreligious dialogue, Benedict XVI encouraged the Bishops of Bangladesh “to persevere with patient dedication to this essential component of the Church’s mission ad gentes. Indeed, much good can be accomplished when it is conducted in a spirit of mutual understanding and collaboration in truth and freedom… .
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Consequently, the most important contribution we can bring to interreligious dialogue is our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth, “the way, the truth and the life” (Jn 14:6). Dialogue, based on mutual respect and truth, cannot fail to have a positive influence on the social climate of your country. The delicacy of this task requires thorough preparation of clergy and lay people, first of all by offering them a deeper knowledge of their own faith and then by helping them to grow in their understanding of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and the other religions present in your region.**”
At the close of his speech, the Pontiff mentioned the upcoming celebration of the Pauline Year, “which will be for the whole Church a renewed invitation to announce with unfailing courage the Good News of Christ Jesus,” and he told the Bishops, “Like the first Christians, you live as a small community among a large non-Christian population. Your presence is a sign that the preaching of the Gospel, which began in Jerusalem and Judea, continues to spread to the ends of the earth in accordance with the universal destination the Lord willed for it. My prayers accompany you as you lead your priests, men and women religious and lay faithful along the path marked out by so many dedicated missionaries, beginning with Saint Francis Xavier, who brought the Gospel to your country.” (S.L.) (Agenzia Fides 13/6/2008)"
fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews=15358&lan=eng
Maybe Pope Benedict XVI was saying we must speak against Islam? I missed that.
I shouldn’t have to mention this but the other thread (closed, thank God) presented specific quotes from documents of Vatican II and from the Holy Father stating clearly that our positions as Catholics, as Christians must be one that fully recognizes Judaism and Islam as religions that call all to worship the One True God. Words that assault Islam as a religion, are an affront against the living God. All Catholics must stand by that truth IF they are faithful Catholics.
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=245934
That some boys and girls (they should get off so easily, as innocent children!) have joined together to bash/smash and assault Islam speaks for itself.
I quoted the Holy Father’s most recent comment on our stand in relation to Islam.
Now, I’ll quote a similar item - then I’m out of here:
"VATICAN - Benedict XVI tells the Bishops of Bangladesh: “the most important contribution we can bring to interreligious dialogue is our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth, ‘the way, the truth and the life.’”
…
In addressing the subject of interreligious dialogue, Benedict XVI encouraged the Bishops of Bangladesh “to persevere with patient dedication to this essential component of the Church’s mission ad gentes. Indeed, much good can be accomplished when it is conducted in a spirit of mutual understanding and collaboration in truth and freedom… .
**
Consequently, the most important contribution we can bring to interreligious dialogue is our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth, “the way, the truth and the life” (Jn 14:6). Dialogue, based on mutual respect and truth, cannot fail to have a positive influence on the social climate of your country. The delicacy of this task requires thorough preparation of clergy and lay people, first of all by offering them a deeper knowledge of their own faith and then by helping them to grow in their understanding of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and the other religions present in your region.**”
At the close of his speech, the Pontiff mentioned the upcoming celebration of the Pauline Year, “which will be for the whole Church a renewed invitation to announce with unfailing courage the Good News of Christ Jesus,” and he told the Bishops, “Like the first Christians, you live as a small community among a large non-Christian population. Your presence is a sign that the preaching of the Gospel, which began in Jerusalem and Judea, continues to spread to the ends of the earth in accordance with the universal destination the Lord willed for it. My prayers accompany you as you lead your priests, men and women religious and lay faithful along the path marked out by so many dedicated missionaries, beginning with Saint Francis Xavier, who brought the Gospel to your country.” (S.L.) (Agenzia Fides 13/6/2008)"
fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews=15358&lan=eng
Maybe Pope Benedict XVI was saying we must speak against Islam? I missed that.
I shouldn’t have to mention this but the other thread (closed, thank God) presented specific quotes from documents of Vatican II and from the Holy Father stating clearly that our positions as Catholics, as Christians must be one that fully recognizes Judaism and Islam as religions that call all to worship the One True God. Words that assault Islam as a religion, are an affront against the living God. All Catholics must stand by that truth IF they are faithful Catholics.
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Glaucon
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Hello, Dhimmi.
I didn’t quote Chuck Norris as a religious authority.
And just because something was said by Chuck Norris doesn’t render it false.
Get your thoughts straightened out, will ya?
And, as a reward for being as “fair and balanced” as FOX News,
HERE’S JOHNNY!!!
Flake.
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Glaucon
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Oh, and did I mention that dialogue simply isn’t possible when one party refuses to take the other seriously?
Again, think well before you post. That’s something you should be doing more often.
Again, think well before you post. That’s something you should be doing more often.
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catharina
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Speaking against terrorism is understandable.
Speaking against Judaism and/or Islam is to go against Chruch Teaching.
Good bye now.
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Church_Militant
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Y’know…this kinda harks back to something that I have often wondered about.
I get frustrated with n-C/a-C preachers who seem to find themselves incapable of simply preaching the Gospel of Christ as it is without doing some kind of compare and contrast with my Catholic faith, (often misrepresented, misunderstood, or misinformed.) or someone else’s faith as well.
I have no use for those who bash the other religions around us. Either the Gospel of Christ stands or it falls, but we are commanded to “[19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”(Matthew 28:19-20)
Apologetic dialog, discussion, and debate all have their place certainly, but when it comes to Mass (or any community’s service) I want to hear the Gospel…not some c&c bash job on someone else’s religion.
That doesn’t edify me or build up the Body of Christ to be more like him. Very often, all it does it puff people up with knowledge without the Christian charity to be Christ-like. To me, that’s worse than useless.
Some politicians and preachers seem to prefer to inflame the emotions of their people than to really do justice and walk humbly before their God.
What’s the answer?
Here again though…bear in mind that they also have those who prefer to inflame. Be choosy.
Remember that you don’t have to believe what they say, you are simply objectively getting information.
If it seems extreme…it probably is. ALWAYS check for context, no matter who the source is.
and his ears are open to their prayer.
But the face of the Lord is against those that do evil.”
[13] Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is right?
[14] But even if you do suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
[15] but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence;
[16] and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
[17] For it is better to suffer for doing right, if that should be God’s will, than for doing wrong. "
I get frustrated with n-C/a-C preachers who seem to find themselves incapable of simply preaching the Gospel of Christ as it is without doing some kind of compare and contrast with my Catholic faith, (often misrepresented, misunderstood, or misinformed.) or someone else’s faith as well.
I have no use for those who bash the other religions around us. Either the Gospel of Christ stands or it falls, but we are commanded to “[19] Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[20] teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”(Matthew 28:19-20)
Apologetic dialog, discussion, and debate all have their place certainly, but when it comes to Mass (or any community’s service) I want to hear the Gospel…not some c&c bash job on someone else’s religion.
That doesn’t edify me or build up the Body of Christ to be more like him. Very often, all it does it puff people up with knowledge without the Christian charity to be Christ-like. To me, that’s worse than useless.
Some politicians and preachers seem to prefer to inflame the emotions of their people than to really do justice and walk humbly before their God.
What’s the answer?
- Know your own faith well first.
- Read the other guy’s stuff.
Here again though…bear in mind that they also have those who prefer to inflame. Be choosy.
Remember that you don’t have to believe what they say, you are simply objectively getting information.
- Recognize rhetoric and polemics when you hear or read it.
If it seems extreme…it probably is. ALWAYS check for context, no matter who the source is.
- Maintain a healthy skepticism of things you hear from others.
- Maintain a Christ-like compassion for others and remember that He is our strength and shield. If we fail to show Christ to others, especially those who oppose our faith then we fail as believers in Him. There’s no other option.
and his ears are open to their prayer.
But the face of the Lord is against those that do evil.”
[13] Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is right?
[14] But even if you do suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
[15] but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence;
[16] and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.
[17] For it is better to suffer for doing right, if that should be God’s will, than for doing wrong. "
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R_not
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So we are supposed to bask in ignorance and just blindly accept anything.
What was that saying? when good men do nothing? or something like that.
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It is NOT a sin to be informed and let others know. It is NOT a sin to do something to ensure our kids are not engrained/brainwashed with the fairy tales of the Muslim interpretation of history in our kid’s history books. They even have the 5 tenets of Islam in them - and that is against the separation of church and state.
(Edited personal remarks)
The excuses that are used to stay ignorant are just that - excuses. I am not into excuses - but if someone else wants to use them just make sure not to force them onto me.
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Michael_Francis
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General Warning:
It does not matter whether you all agree.
It does matter whether you all disagree charitably and respectfully.
If the charity in this thread deteriorates any more, it will be closed and penalty citations will be issued.
MF
It does not matter whether you all agree.
It does matter whether you all disagree charitably and respectfully.
If the charity in this thread deteriorates any more, it will be closed and penalty citations will be issued.
MF
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mangy_dog
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Catharina,
I for one find the message quite clear. I’m definitely against any muslim who professes Islam while screaming bloody jihad and defending other “muslims” who strap explosive around them and run into a group of soldiers or civilians.
I am against any muslim who professess Islam as peaceful and defends and justifies the actions of militant muslims to carry out terror and bloody jihad.
I don’t think I would live two seconds if I suddenly ran into a militant muslim and struck up a conversation about Jesus Christ being the the Way , the Truth and the Life. I would be lucky to get the word “Life” out before my bloody head went rolling out in front of me.
Chuck Norris is not a religious authority - neither am I…nor you. It does not preclude from reasonable, logical statements.
If only the “religious authorities” were to make comments on these threads…the Pope and the College of Cardinals would be the only ones talking.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
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catharina
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I quote the Holy Father.
Another quotes Chuck Norris.
Little thought is required in considering the two who have been quoted.
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mangy_dog
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Aquiesce anima mea in Deus salus mea.
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R_not
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What are you talking about?
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BlestOne
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I am right there with you on the peaceful/jihad thing… and the suicide bomber thing too… and even the justification thing… but I don’t believe with certainty that striking up a conversation about Christ will necessarily get you beheaded… unless of course it is God’s will that you join him in paradise at that moment. Sometimes the loudest supporters are the most unsure of themselves… I even venture to guess that they are trying to convince themselves many times.
Now this part is just hilarious!!! I think I will send it to my son to add to his Chuck Norris joke repertoire or better yet… have a tee shirt made that says: Chuck Norris is not my religious authority!
Anyway… I think you all might benefit from remembering to separate the actions of the followers from the religious beliefs. Remember that faith in God does not make us perfect… it just makes all things possible.
Now back on topic… I see nowhere that says that the Church forbids speaking against Islam… The pope basically said to speak of Christ and to speak as Christ would… with love and knowledge… not fear and ignorance.
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R_not
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Ok, I bite - what does it mean? Some of the words I can figure out, but I don’t know what it says as a complete sentence.Aquiesce anima mea in Deus salus mea.
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