Speaking in tongues at pentecost mass

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we have a relatively new tradition at our parish. i don’t know if this year is the first, but i don’t remember it in any previous years.

for the first reading the first paragraph was read in english and then german, and then french, and spanish and finally polish. and then the final two paragraphs were read simultaneously in all 5 languages with english at the mike.

it was an interesting twist on hearing your own language. but it was a little garbled too.

did anybody else have a similar format today?
 
Sounds like silly theatrics to me.

Thank heavens, we just had a plain ole reader.
 
Nope. Today we had a Solemn High Mass and the deacon chanted the Gospel, facing north, in Latin. Quite beautiful.
 
If it was all garbled and confused and a bit of a mess then I agree, the theatrics went a bit wrong and the point was missed.
 
Was it supposed to emulate the day of Pentecost when everyone heard Peter’s preaching in their own language?

I guess the intention was good, the execution didn’t seem to come off quite as well.

Sometimes it’s a live and learn type situation, hopefully the learning part will stick. 😛 🤷
 
Jeanette_L said:
Was it supposed to emulate the day of Pentecost when everyone heard Peter’s preaching in their own language?

I guess the intention was good, the execution didn’t seem to come off quite as well.

Sometimes it’s a live and learn type situation, hopefully the learning part will stick. 😛 🤷
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i don’t disagree about the intention, but previous events at mass tend to dilute that intention.
 
chewchoo said:
for the first reading the first paragraph was read in english and then german, and then french, and spanish and finally polish. and then the final two paragraphs were read simultaneously in all 5 languages with english at the mike.
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That sounds a little bit ridiculous, frankly (especially the last bit). I wonder who authorized this display, and whether that person possessed the authority to do so.

I’m not saying it’s a liturgical abuse or anything, because I don’t know… but it sounds weird.
 
Cajetan said:
That sounds a little bit ridiculous, frankly (especially the last bit). I wonder who authorized this display, and whether that person possessed the authority to do so.

I’m not saying it’s a liturgical abuse or anything, because I don’t know… but it sounds weird.
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the pastor is in charge from what i can gather.
 
Jeanette_L said:
They make a habit of poorly executed special masses I take it? 😊
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and regular masses. last week we had a concert of sorts right after communion before the close of mass. it seems to be getting worse each week. 😦
 
The purpose of the Liturgy is not to reenact the events of Scripture: this is the realm of theatre, manifest in such things as Christmas pagents and Passion plays.

The purpose of the Liturgy [of the Word] is to proclaim God’s word to the faithful so that they may hear it and put their faith in it. If they cannot understand it, then the Liturgy has failed it’s purpose.
 
The purpose of the Liturgy is not to reenact the events of Scripture: this is the realm of theatre, manifest in such things as Christmas pagents and Passion plays.

The purpose of the Liturgy [of the Word] is to proclaim God’s word to the faithful so that they may hear it and put their faith in it. If they cannot understand it, then the Liturgy has failed it’s purpose. Garbeled or not, this purpose is not fulfilld by proclaiming God’s Word in many different languages.
 
It doesn’t have to be an abuse to be wrong/bad/silly/innapropriate.
 
Hijikata said:
Nope. Today we had a Solemn High Mass and the deacon chanted the Gospel, facing north, in Latin. Quite beautiful.
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forgive the ignorant…why facing north. why not east, or south for that matter.
 
chewchoo said:
for the first reading the first paragraph was read in english and then german, and then french, and spanish and finally polish. and then the final two paragraphs were read simultaneously in all 5 languages with english at the mike.
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In my opinion, that’s not appropriate for the Mass, since it turns the reading into a performance for the people rather than a proclamation of Scripture unto the glory of God and the edification of the people.

Furthermore, it is not allowed to split any reading up among multiple persons (except the Passion readings done on Palm Sunday and Good Friday), and although the repetition of the readings in the vernacular is allowed for the Extraordinary Form of Mass, I don’t know of such a practice (or one similar, such as repeating part of the reading in another language) being permitted in the Ordinary Form.

My parish does the Prayer of the Faithful in multiple languages on Pentecost: each intention is read in a different language by a native speaker of that language. Perhaps I should try to pass myself off as a “native speaker” of Latin next year… 😉
 
I went to a charismatic mass once. It really wasn’t much different from a regular mass, except I noticed a couple of things i didn’t care for

One they all waved their arms around in the air including the priest. I don’t know what that was supposed to do, but it looks silly to me, and very theatrical

Another thing I really disliked someone behind us felt the need to pray loudly for personal intentions…I found it extremely annoying and very rude

No one spoke in tongues at all…I wouldn’t go back…It held no appeal for me at all

Is a Pentecostal mass different. Frankly I don’t seen the purpose of this at all if everyone in the room speaks English, more theatrics I suspect
 
Our parish does this at the later Mass on Sunday (10:30). I’ve never seen it b/c I attend the 8:00 Mass which is a very traditional NO Mass. Apparantely we have 10 different languages spoken at the 10:30 Mass of Pentecost.🤷
 
When reading it should be clear and loud so that most people can understand and follow it. (An elderly usher told me yesterday he loves it when I read becuase he can hear it, understand it and follow it.) No theatrics whatsoever.
 
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