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Forgive me but I do not understand what Maria G is trying to say. I do not know whether she means she used to speak in tongues when she was a pentecostal, has now become a catholic, still speaks in tongues but this is not accepted in the Catholic Group she is in, or whether she is saying she is victimised for not speaking in tongues. All I can say is that in my opinion it does not matter a jot whether one speaks in tongues or not if one is a catholic (or anything else) It is a personal gift . Others have other gifts.I use it in private prayer (& find it invaluable) and would not dream of even speaking about it if I was in a group who knew nothing about it or did not have the gift. However when one does happen to be within a group, some of whom have the gift & wish to use it (e/g/ in a charismatic prayer group) the feeling of being together in Praise of the Lord is palpable. I]t is also on these occasions invaluable for use in spontaneous prayer for healing when no-one knows what the other wishes to say or what the person to be prayed for 's needs really are.God Bless
claire,
I happy someone else has experienced this wonderful gift.
You know as I do that God is involved through the Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit gives His gifts as he determines. See 1Cor.12:11

It also reads in 1Cor.12;29 “Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30. do all interpret? .31. But eagerly desire the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.”
It goes on to the Love chapter in Chapter 13. 🙂

God bless,
jean8
 
Forgive me but I do not understand what Maria G is trying to say. I do not know whether she means she used to speak in tongues when she was a pentecostal, has now become a catholic, still speaks in tongues but this is not accepted in the Catholic Group she is in, or whether she is saying she is victimised for not speaking in tongues. All I can say is that in my opinion it does not matter a jot whether one speaks in tongues or not if one is a catholic (or anything else) It is a personal gift . Others have other gifts.I use it in private prayer (& find it invaluable) and would not dream of even speaking about it if I was in a group who knew nothing about it or did not have the gift. However when one does happen to be within a group, some of whom have the gift & wish to use it (e/g/ in a charismatic prayer group) the feeling of being together in Praise of the Lord is palpable. I]t is also on these occasions invaluable for use in spontaneous prayer for healing when no-one knows what the other wishes to say or what the person to be prayed for 's needs really are.God Bless
claire,
I agree, tongues should be either private prayer or a group prayer with those who are familiar with this teaching.
If a person has received this gift in the past they should be able to pray in tongues anytime they wish, especially in a prayer attitude.
Some churches have Charismatic Prayer groups that meet weekly to pray.

God bless,
jean8
 
quan,
Thanks for your reply.
I should correct that. Agnus was the first in the Pentecostal church at that time, to speak in tongues.
Alex Jones spoke of this event on, the Journey Home on EWTN.
Three former Pentecostals appeared on this tv show. All three are now Catholics. You can check this out at www.ewtn.org.

God bless,
jean8
Thanks for clarifying that! Do they now believe that their experience of tongue speaking was not valid?
 
When I pray in tongues I just decide to do it and it I do it…I can also control when to stop it and I can do it anywheres and whenevere I wish…I only do it private occurs, I don’t want people to think I’m crazy. If you can do it just let flow.

peace and blessings

david
 
There has been much talk of tongues in this thread but a thought which came ot me today was " If one finds it easy to pray either with set prayers, own words or with the Bible you are not likely to be given the gift of tongues. If, however, you are like me and have difficulty sustaining prayer if you ask for the gift of tongues I believe you will be given it." As I have already mentioned in another posting this happened to me and it has transformed my prayer life.
 
On a personal level this gift greatly improves you prayer life and gives you boldness in prayer to take you request before God.
It has me.

Peace and blessings

david
With reference to the question "Do tongues just come or does one control it I can only say for my disabled niece it definitely “comes when it wants to” in her own words.Often for her she starts the rosary & the last 3 hail mary’s are in tongues/ Also when someone prays over her (without tongues). she goes into tongues. For me the first and second times I went into tongues it was completely involuntary. I did not kow how it happened but since then I would not say it completely takes me over.I am usually praying for someone or something and just can’t think of the right words to say or how to express my thoughts & I think a thought comes to me “pray in tongues” and I do. I also sometimes when I am concentrating particularly hard on the consecratrion find myself silently mouthing tongues & I get a great feeling of closeness to Our Blessed Lord but I am aware & can stop at any time. I do not understand what I am saying but I just feel very close to Jesus. If someone else had told me 5 years ago thatr I would speak in tongues I would have said “Never” but I have to eat the provewrbial hat and say "Thank you God for this wonderful gift.
 
I love some of these early Church Father quotes about the Charisms:

For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even to this present time. (Justin Martyr, c.150)

Now, it is possible to see amongst us women and men who possess gifts of the Spirit of God. (Justin Martyr, c.150)

In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God. (Irenaeus, c.180)

This is He who places prophets in the Church, instructs teachers, directs tongues, gives powers and healings, does wonderful works, often discrimination of spirits, affords powers of government, suggests counsels, and orders and arranges whatever other gifts there are of charismata; and thus make the Lord’s Church everywhere, and in all, perfected and completed. (Novatian, c.200-c.258)

Tertullian in an anti-heretical apologetic alludes to instances of the ‘interpretation of tongues’ as one among several examples of ‘spiritual gifts’ common enough in his day to be easily encountered and provide evidence that God was at work in the church: (Tertullian mentions he uses all the gifts described in his statement)

Let Marcion then exhibit, as gifts of his god, some prophets, such as have not spoken by human sense, but with the Spirit of God, such as have both predicted things to come, and have made manifest the secrets of the heart; let him produce a psalm, a vision, a prayer – only let it be by the Spirit, in an ecstasy, that is, in a rapture, whenever an interpretation of tongues has occurred to him; let him show to me also, that any woman of boastful tongue in his community has ever prophesied from amongst those specially holy sisters of his.** Now all these signs (of spiritual gifts) are forthcoming from my side without any difficulty**, and they agree, too, with the rules, and the dispensations, and the instructions of the Creator; therefore without doubt the Christ, and the Spirit, and the apostle, belong severally to my God. Here, then, is my frank avowal for any one who cares to require it. (Tertullian, c.207)

Chrysostom saw that they were not happening anymore except in obscure and rare places, it is not stating that they are gone, but that it was very rare for anyone to speak in tongues around his time:

This whole phenomenon [of speaking in tongues] is very obscure, but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such then as used to occur but now no longer take place. And why do they not happen now? Why look now, the cause too of the obscurity hath produced us again another question: namely, why did they then happen, and now do so no more? (Chrysostom, 344-407)

For God hath set same in the Church, first apostles…secondly prophets…thirdly teachers…next mighty works, among which are the healing of diseases… and gifts of either speaking or interpreting divers kinds of tongues. Clearly these are the Church’s agents of ministry and work of whom the body of Christ consists; and God has ordained them. (Hilary of Poitiers, c.360)

Augustine of Hippo Sermon on Psalm 32:

For singers, either in the harvest, or in the vineyard, or in any other busy work, after they have begun in the words of their hymns to exult and rejoice, being as it were filled with so great joy, that they cannot express it in words, then turn from actual words, and proceed to sounds of jubilation. The jubilee is a sound signifying that the heart laboureth with that which it cannot utter…that the heart may rejoice without words, and the boundless extent of joy may have no limits of syllables. (Augustine of Hippo, c.354-c.430)

From New Advent:newadvent.org/cathen/14776c.htm

In post-Biblical times St. Irenæus tells us that “many” of his contemporaries were heard “speaking through the Spirit in all kinds (pantodapais) of tongues” (“Contra haer.”, V, vii; Eusebius, Church History V.7). St. Francis Xavier is said to have preached in tongues unknown to him and St. Vincent Ferrer while using his native tongue was understood in others. From this last phenomenon Biblical glossolaly differs in being what St. Gregory Nazianzen points out as a marvel of speaking and not of hearing. Exegetes observe too that it was never used for preaching, although Sts. Augustine and Thomas seem to have overlooked this detail.

**
Hildegard of Bingen**

Hildegard of Bingen is reputed to have spoken and sung in tongues. Her spiritual songs were referred to by contemporaries as “concerts in the Spirit.” (Hildengard c.1100s)

*The 12th century was also the time of schisms and religious foment, when someone preaching any outlandish doctrine could instantly attract a large following. Hildegard was critical of schismatics, indeed her whole life she preached against them, especially the Cathars. She wanted her visions to be sanctioned, approved by the Catholic Church, though she herself never doubted the divine origins to her luminous visions. She wrote to St. Bernard, seeking his blessings. Though his answer to her was rather perfunctory, he did bring it to the attention of Pope Eugenius (1145-53), a rather enlightened individual who exhorted Hildegard to finish her writings. With papal imprimatur, Hildegard was able to finish her first visionary work Scivias (“Know the Ways of the Lord”) and her fame began to spread through Germany and beyond. *
 
I love some of these early Church Father quotes about the Charisms:

For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even to this present time. (Justin Martyr, c.150)

Now, it is possible to see amongst us women and men who possess gifts of the Spirit of God. (Justin Martyr, c.150)

In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God. (Irenaeus, c.180)

This is He who places prophets in the Church, instructs teachers, directs tongues, gives powers and healings, does wonderful works, often discrimination of spirits, affords powers of government, suggests counsels, and orders and arranges whatever other gifts there are of charismata; and thus make the Lord’s Church everywhere, and in all, perfected and completed. (Novatian, c.200-c.258)

Tertullian in an anti-heretical apologetic alludes to instances of the ‘interpretation of tongues’ as one among several examples of ‘spiritual gifts’ common enough in his day to be easily encountered and provide evidence that God was at work in the church: (Tertullian mentions he uses all the gifts described in his statement)

Let Marcion then exhibit, as gifts of his god, some prophets, such as have not spoken by human sense, but with the Spirit of God, such as have both predicted things to come, and have made manifest the secrets of the heart; let him produce a psalm, a vision, a prayer – only let it be by the Spirit, in an ecstasy, that is, in a rapture, whenever an interpretation of tongues has occurred to him; let him show to me also, that any woman of boastful tongue in his community has ever prophesied from amongst those specially holy sisters of his.** Now all these signs (of spiritual gifts) are forthcoming from my side without any difficulty**, and they agree, too, with the rules, and the dispensations, and the instructions of the Creator; therefore without doubt the Christ, and the Spirit, and the apostle, belong severally to my God. Here, then, is my frank avowal for any one who cares to require it. (Tertullian, c.207)

Chrysostom saw that they were not happening anymore except in obscure and rare places, it is not stating that they are gone, but that it was very rare for anyone to speak in tongues around his time:

This whole phenomenon [of speaking in tongues] is very obscure, but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such then as used to occur but now no longer take place. And why do they not happen now? Why look now, the cause too of the obscurity hath produced us again another question: namely, why did they then happen, and now do so no more? (Chrysostom, 344-407)

For God hath set same in the Church, first apostles…secondly prophets…thirdly teachers…next mighty works, among which are the healing of diseases… and gifts of either speaking or interpreting divers kinds of tongues. Clearly these are the Church’s agents of ministry and work of whom the body of Christ consists; and God has ordained them. (Hilary of Poitiers, c.360)

Augustine of Hippo Sermon on Psalm 32:

For singers, either in the harvest, or in the vineyard, or in any other busy work, after they have begun in the words of their hymns to exult and rejoice, being as it were filled with so great joy, that they cannot express it in words, then turn from actual words, and proceed to sounds of jubilation. The jubilee is a sound signifying that the heart laboureth with that which it cannot utter…that the heart may rejoice without words, and the boundless extent of joy may have no limits of syllables. (Augustine of Hippo, c.354-c.430)

From New Advent:newadvent.org/cathen/14776c.htm

In post-Biblical times St. Irenæus tells us that “many” of his contemporaries were heard “speaking through the Spirit in all kinds (pantodapais) of tongues” (“Contra haer.”, V, vii; Eusebius, Church History V.7). St. Francis Xavier is said to have preached in tongues unknown to him and St. Vincent Ferrer while using his native tongue was understood in others. From this last phenomenon Biblical glossolaly differs in being what St. Gregory Nazianzen points out as a marvel of speaking and not of hearing. Exegetes observe too that it was never used for preaching, although Sts. Augustine and Thomas seem to have overlooked this detail.

**
Hildegard of Bingen**

Hildegard of Bingen is reputed to have spoken and sung in tongues. Her spiritual songs were referred to by contemporaries as “concerts in the Spirit.” (Hildengard c.1100s)

*The 12th century was also the time of schisms and religious foment, when someone preaching any outlandish doctrine could instantly attract a large following. Hildegard was critical of schismatics, indeed her whole life she preached against them, especially the Cathars. She wanted her visions to be sanctioned, approved by the Catholic Church, though she herself never doubted the divine origins to her luminous visions. She wrote to St. Bernard, seeking his blessings. Though his answer to her was rather perfunctory, he did bring it to the attention of Pope Eugenius (1145-53), a rather enlightened individual who exhorted Hildegard to finish her writings. With papal imprimatur, Hildegard was able to finish her first visionary work Scivias (“Know the Ways of the Lord”) and her fame began to spread through Germany and beyond. *
Interesting quotes from ECF’s. With the exception of Justin Martyr’s quotes … which don’t clearly address tongues, the others do support existence of tongues in the Church at various times in first Millennium.
 
Interesting quotes from ECF’s. With the exception of Justin Martyr’s quotes … which don’t clearly address tongues, the others do support existence of tongues in the Church at various times in first Millennium.
Here are some more:

In the Middle Ages men of the Church and others recognized the charism gift of speaking in tongues as having the characteristics mainly of xenolalia and jubilation. It was believed the gift principally helped to preach to people in foreign languages. St. Romuald, founder of the Camaldolese monks, is said to have received the “tongues of angels” before he died. The gift is mentioned in the writings and teaching of St. Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Cistercian Order. Also, it was in the Franciscan Order as the jubilation possessed by St. Francis. The latter is commentated upon by Eddie Ensley in his Sounds of Wonder, (New York, Paulist Press, 1977). “in early Franciscan literature actual sounds of certain jubilations are written out, and these descriptions are strikingly similar to descriptions of modern day glossolalia of the Charismatic Renewal.”

The great Scholastic theologian of the 13th century St. Thomas Aquinas definitively describes this jubilation, “an unspeakable joy, which cannot be expressed. The reason that this joy cannot be expressed in words is that it is beyond comprehension”

Others did use the gift as xenolalia such as St. Anthony the Wonder-Worker of Padua, (1195-1231), a Franciscan, Fernando de Bouillon of Lisbon, who was well known for his brilliant and poetic sermons which he gave in several languages while journeying across Italy and France. It is further recorded that St. Dominic Guzman, a Spaniard and founder of the Order of Preachers, instantly knew German when required to speak to seminarians in Germany. Another Spanish Dominican, St. Vincent Ferrer, was to have possessed the gift and converted thousands in western European countries.

St. Francis Xavier, a participant in founding the Society of Jesus, is said to have received the gift of tongues by which he performed numerous of miracles, healing the sick, and even raising the dead. He later traveled to India, Japan, and China preaching the gospel. It is thought he spoke in Spanish, but people heard him in their own languages.

St. Teresa of Avila, one of the great mystic writers of the 16th century, wrote of jubilation. She often participated in jubilation through tongues as was as dance and song. Along with her Carmalite sisters she participated in liturgical celebrations, in which she improvised melodies by which to praise God. She described the “supernatural benefit from the manifestation of this charism of praise as one that lifts the soul into the joy of God and is not forgotten but `impressed upon the imagination.’” Sometimes such jubilation would bring on a spiritual inebriation which lasted the entire day.
 
1st century

Writers of the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas [two inspirational books used widely in the early church] witness so much charismatic activity they find it necessary to distinguish between true and false prophets. At about the same time, the writer of Pseudo-Barnabas suggests prophetic ministry is normative in the church.

2nd century

[Christian apologist] Justin Martyr argues that God has withdrawn the Spirit of prophecy and miracles from the Jews and has transferred it to the church as proof of her continued divine favor.

Irenaeus of Lyon describes the gifts of prophecy, discernment of spirits, and exorcism in his Gallic church, and even mentions that individuals have been raised from the dead. He warns against certain false Gnostics who fabricate spiritual gifts to win favor with the naïve.

3rd century

Origen of Alexandria says healings, exorcisms, and validating signs and wonders continue to be experienced in the church. Just as miracles and wonders added to the credibility of 1st-century apostles, so they continue to draw unbelievers into the Christian fold."

4th century

Augustine [of Hippo], in The City of God, reports contemporary divine healings and other miracles. These he links directly to the conversion of pagans.
 
abaka abaka labambam buyaka ish ishiam mundanmundan wakiti guleg mugam!

there i just spoke in tongues!!!and ofcause i was shaking and falling all over the place because the spirit had taken over me!!what for?i have no idea.what did i say?i have no idea!!it seems to me that im gifted with speaking in tongues for no apparent reason except but to speak in tongues!!
this does make God seem abit bored hey. i mean he gives me a gift that doesnt really have a purpose.but then does this mean that God does stuff thats pointless and without purpose?mmmmm…?this does go against everything we kow about God.we know He is always working always.and ofcause working to His divine plan!i dont think He bothers Himself with being pointless!!or having no purpose!

so who is being foolish?God? or these deluded half wits?
 
tongues for unbelievers prophecy for believers.
maybe people need to look at this alittle mo practically,in the early days of the Church there were many people of many cultures speaking many languages.how would the church communicate with these people unless in their own language ofcause by the power of the Holy Spirit.this in itself would indicate to the people that the Church is infact in possesion of and overflowing with the Power of God.and that these normal people were doing unbelievable things!!would not this be a good enough reason to listen and perhaps convert to the new religion of Truth?
and prophecy is for us because its about what we believe and what we believe is coming.it is pointless to try to get people to listen to prophecies if they dont even believe in what we believe.😉
 
so who is being foolish?God? or these deluded half wits?
Such as my late mother and other Pentecostals who, correctly or otherwise, pursued God’s truth to the utmost of their will, to the limits of their (often considerable) intellect, and in humility of heart? Pray, please do expand on your “deluded half-wits” bon mot. Can’t wait.
 
abaka abaka labambam buyaka ish ishiam mundanmundan wakiti guleg mugam!

there i just spoke in tongues!!!and ofcause i was shaking and falling all over the place because the spirit had taken over me!!what for?i have no idea.what did i say?i have no idea!!it seems to me that im gifted with speaking in tongues for no apparent reason except but to speak in tongues!!
this does make God seem abit bored hey. i mean he gives me a gift that doesnt really have a purpose.but then does this mean that God does stuff thats pointless and without purpose?mmmmm…?this does go against everything we kow about God.we know He is always working always.and ofcause working to His divine plan!i dont think He bothers Himself with being pointless!!or having no purpose!

so who is being foolish?God? or these deluded half wits?
Your loss…
 
tongues for unbelievers prophecy for believers.
maybe people need to look at this alittle mo practically,in the early days of the Church there were many people of many cultures speaking many languages.how would the church communicate with these people unless in their own language ofcause by the power of the Holy Spirit.this in itself would indicate to the people that the Church is infact in possesion of and overflowing with the Power of God.and that these normal people were doing unbelievable things!!would not this be a good enough reason to listen and perhaps convert to the new religion of Truth?
and prophecy is for us because its about what we believe and what we believe is coming.it is pointless to try to get people to listen to prophecies if they dont even believe in what we believe.😉
Please stop “Forbidding the speaking of tongues”, also, please stop “Putting out the Spirits fire”.

Seriously, DO NOT FORBID THE SPEAKING OF TONGUES.

Maybe you need to start living your life by the early church father’s example.

This is He who places prophets in the Church, instructs teachers, directs tongues, gives powers and healings, does wonderful works, often discrimination of spirits, affords powers of government, suggests counsels, and orders and arranges whatever other gifts there are of charismata; and thus make the Lord’s Church everywhere, and in all, perfected and completed. (Novatian, c.200-c.258)

Tertullian in an anti-heretical apologetic alludes to instances of the ‘interpretation of tongues’ as one among several examples of ‘spiritual gifts’ common enough in his day to be easily encountered and provide evidence that God was at work in the church: (Tertullian mentions he uses all the gifts described in his statement)

Let Marcion then exhibit, as gifts of his god, some prophets, such as have not spoken by human sense, but with the Spirit of God, such as have both predicted things to come, and have made manifest the secrets of the heart; let him produce a psalm, a vision, a prayer – only let it be by the Spirit, in an ecstasy, that is, in a rapture, whenever an interpretation of tongues has occurred to him; let him show to me also, that any woman of boastful tongue in his community has ever prophesied from amongst those specially holy sisters of his. Now all these signs (of spiritual gifts) are forthcoming from my side without any difficulty, and they agree, too, with the rules, and the dispensations, and the instructions of the Creator; therefore without doubt the Christ, and the Spirit, and the apostle, belong severally to my God. Here, then, is my frank avowal for any one who cares to require it. (Tertullian, c.207)
 
tongues for unbelievers prophecy for believers.
maybe people need to look at this alittle mo practically,in the early days of the Church there were many people of many cultures speaking many languages.how would the church communicate with these people unless in their own language ofcause by the power of the Holy Spirit.this in itself would indicate to the people that the Church is infact in possesion of and overflowing with the Power of God.and that these normal people were doing unbelievable things!!would not this be a good enough reason to listen and perhaps convert to the new religion of Truth?
and prophecy is for us because its about what we believe and what we believe is coming.it is pointless to try to get people to listen to prophecies if they dont even believe in what we believe.😉
In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God. (Irenaeus, c.180)

Sorry dude, Irenaeus wins, you lose.
 
abaka abaka labambam buyaka ish ishiam mundanmundan wakiti guleg mugam!

there i just spoke in tongues!!!and ofcause i was shaking and falling all over the place because the spirit had taken over me!!what for?i have no idea.what did i say?i have no idea!!it seems to me that im gifted with speaking in tongues for no apparent reason except but to speak in tongues!!
this does make God seem abit bored hey. i mean he gives me a gift that doesnt really have a purpose.but then does this mean that God does stuff thats pointless and without purpose?mmmmm…?this does go against everything we kow about God.we know He is always working always.and ofcause working to His divine plan!i dont think He bothers Himself with being pointless!!or having no purpose!

so who is being foolish?God? or these deluded half wits?
1 Corinthians 14:

21In the Law it is written:
“Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,”[f] says the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:

14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind;** I will sing with my spirit**, but I will also sing with my mind.

Paul says that he experience tongues that was the Spirit praying through him to God, and Paul did not have any understanding of what he was saying, but admitted that the Spirit was praying to God.

Tongues have their place in a church service, many abuse this, but it does not mean it is not the Spirit. According to Paul, you are not supposed to be able to understand the “babble”

1 Corinthians 14:

16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand[e] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, **since he does not know what you are saying? **

It is clear that many can speak in tongues with the Spirit enabling them, but do not understand what they are saying, as you mentioned in your post. GUESS WHAT! IT IS BIBLICAL!

1 Corinthians 14:

13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says.
 
wow i did not mean to offend somany people.but i think people missed my point.ever watch pop idols? seen some people who sang apallingly but trully believe that they can actually sing?and when the judges tell them they cant sing they are so shocked!!is it because they convinced themselves that they can sing or were they just playing the fools?or maybe people around them were too embarressed to tell them that they couldnt sing.

or has any1 witnessed how people go into trances and then lose their ability to feel pain?well its through jumping around and saying things and its like self hypnotism.we can call it a natural high.like that of a drug induced high.

im not saying that speaking in tongues is wrong.what im trying to get at is how do we separate the genuine from the fake.
and i know of people who admit to just going with the crowd and do what others do.
 
Hi everyone, just been reading all the posts.

I have been to a Catholic Carismatic Renewal meeting on a couple of occasions. My experience of “tongues” there was at the end of group prayer everyone at the same time bagan murmuring for a minute or so, then everyone stoped together. It wasnt directed at anyone, as conversation is. I am not sure what it is supposed to be like, and I am not sure whether that was genuiune or not.

Although the Charismatic Renewal wasnt for me, I am trying to keep an open mind (although I must admit, I have been dismissive of it in the past). What did cross my mind was that it could be a similar experience to my own silent prayer - the (irregular) times when I am so completely moved to prayer and feel lifted (and a little overwhelmed). But the experience is a silent one. (when I say overwhelmed, I dont mean shaking or feinting - more a sense of awe) Anyway, the point is, my own experience has lead me to revise my former dismissive feeling towards the “in tongues” thing.

Havent come accross any occasions of specific things said by one person to another tho
 
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