Speaking in Tongues

[firstmode]

wow i did not mean to offend somany people.but i think people missed my point.ever watch pop idols? seen some people who sang apallingly but trully believe that they can actually sing?and when the judges tell them they cant sing they are so shocked!!is it because they convinced themselves that they can sing or were they just playing the fools?or maybe people around them were too embarressed to tell them that they couldnt sing.

or has any1 witnessed how people go into trances and then lose their ability to feel pain?well its through jumping around and saying things and its like self hypnotism.we can call it a natural high.like that of a drug induced high.

im not saying that speaking in tongues is wrong.what im trying to get at is how do we separate the genuine from the fake.
and i know of people who admit to just going with the crowd and do what others do.

It is tough to say who is being true and who is impersonating a spiritual gift. It is sad that there are people that feel the need to fake it.

I think there is a huge issue with people faking lots of things in church these days. Think about all the people in the Catholic church to partake of the Eucharist without going to confession or not being confirmed and baptized.

I take it to heart in Rev. to not be luke warm!

 

[guanophore]

abaka abaka labambam buyaka ish ishiam mundanmundan wakiti guleg mugam!

there i just spoke in tongues!!!and ofcause i was shaking and falling all over the place because the spirit had taken over me!!what for?i have no idea.what did i say?i have no idea!!it seems to me that im gifted with speaking in tongues for no apparent reason except but to speak in tongues!!

This attitude and behavior is a descration of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of God.

It also makes you appear ignorant, mocking things that you clearly do not understand.

this does make God seem abit bored hey. i mean he gives me a gift that doesnt really have a purpose.

If you really believe this, wouldn’t it be better to keep it to yourself? Now you have posted this ridiculous postulation on an internet forum, where it will demonstrate your disdain of God for who knows how long? I am embarrassed for you!

God does not give any gifts for no purpose, but He certainly does not give them so that you can mock them.

so who is being foolish?God? or these deluded half wits?

Really, you should not talk about yourself like this in public.

tongues for unbelievers prophecy for believers.
maybe people need to look at this alittle mo practically,in the early days of the Church there were many people of many cultures speaking many languages.how would the church communicate with these people unless in their own language ofcause by the power of the Holy Spirit.this in itself would indicate to the people that the Church is infact in possesion of and overflowing with the Power of God.and that these normal people were doing unbelievable things!!would not this be a good enough reason to listen and perhaps convert to the new religion of Truth?

Yes, and it was one of the variety of tongues that was active.

and prophecy is for us because its about what we believe and what we believe is coming.it is pointless to try to get people to listen to prophecies if they dont even believe in what we believe.

I agree, but as evidenced in your post, it is pointless to try to get some people to listen to the Apostolic Teaching, even when they are supposed to be believers!

 

[guanophore]

wow i did not mean to offend somany people.but i think people missed my point.

Wonder how well you do when you are trying?

ever watch pop idols? seen some people who sang apallingly but trully believe that they can actually sing?and when the judges tell them they cant sing they are so shocked!!is it because they convinced themselves that they can sing or were they just playing the fools?or maybe people around them were too embarressed to tell them that they couldnt sing.

Maybe the reason your mind is so turned away from God is that you are watching this drivel?

or has any1 witnessed how people go into trances and then lose their ability to feel pain?well its through jumping around and saying things and its like self hypnotism.we can call it a natural high.like that of a drug induced high.

Indeed the mind is quite powerful. It is true that humans have an amazing capacity to decieve themselves.

im not saying that speaking in tongues is wrong.

Really? Who could tell? Actually, it sounded like it was your own erroneous idea of speaking in tongues is what you are calling wrong. For the record, I agree. The perversion that you represented above is wrong.

what im trying to get at is how do we separate the genuine from the fake.

Do you think you can do that by mocking the Spirit of God?

and i know of people who admit to just going with the crowd and do what others do.

Well, that is precicely what you did further up the thread, making up mockeries of the gift.

 

[jean8]

Thank you for your compassion.

maria,
There is a saying that speaking in tongues can be devisive.
Nowhere in scripture does it teach a person must speak in tongues to be saved. yet the UPCI teaches this. It puts those who have not received this gift under great pressure,
they are told to seek this gift to be saved. The Bible teaches we are saved by grace, through faith. Eph.2:8-9
The Bible clearly teaches not all christians speak in tongues. 1Cor.12:30 We all have received different gifts according to the will of the Holy Spirit. 1Cor.12 :11
The AOG have a different doctrine from the heretical UPCI. which also deny the Trinity.
Please check the scriptures I have provided.

God bless,
jean8

 

[jean8]

abaka abaka labambam buyaka ish ishiam mundanmundan wakiti guleg mugam!

there i just spoke in tongues!!!and ofcause i was shaking and falling all over the place because the spirit had taken over me!!what for?i have no idea.what did i say?i have no idea!!it seems to me that im gifted with speaking in tongues for no apparent reason except but to speak in tongues!!
this does make God seem abit bored hey. i mean he gives me a gift that doesnt really have a purpose.but then does this mean that God does stuff thats pointless and without purpose?mmmmm…?this does go against everything we kow about God.we know He is always working always.and ofcause working to His divine plan!i dont think He bothers Himself with being pointless!!or having no purpose!

so who is being foolish?God? or these deluded half wits?

wayne,
You have just made a mockery of one of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
1Cor.12:10
Read 1Cor 14, St.Paul is teaching a lesson on this gift given by the Holy Spirit.
1Cor.12:11, Not all people speak in tongues. 1Cor.12:30
This gift was first given to the Jews. Acts 2;38

How much do you know about this gift?

“God has limited our intelligence, but not our stupidty.”

jean8

 

[jean8]

wow i did not mean to offend somany people.but i think people missed my point.ever watch pop idols? seen some people who sang apallingly but trully believe that they can actually sing?and when the judges tell them they cant sing they are so shocked!!is it because they convinced themselves that they can sing or were they just playing the fools?or maybe people around them were too embarressed to tell them that they couldnt sing.

or has any1 witnessed how people go into trances and then lose their ability to feel pain?well its through jumping around and saying things and its like self hypnotism.we can call it a natural high.like that of a drug induced high.

im not saying that speaking in tongues is wrong.what im trying to get at is how do we separate the genuine from the fake.
and i know of people who admit to just going with the crowd and do what others do.

wayne,
If you knew anything about this gift , you wouldn’t have this attitude about the Gift of the Holy Spirit. 1Cor.12;11, Acts 2;38
In Acts 1-2 The Holy Spirit was given to us at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was made available to all who believed in Jesus Christ. Jesus said he would send the Counselor to us . See Jn.15:26-27
If you believe that Jesus Christ died for you, that is the work of the Holy Spirit . He has quickened your heart to believe. Say thank you, to Him when you pray tonight.
Do you know who the Holy Spirit is?

God bless you as you search for God’s truth in his word.

jean8

 

[WAYNE_LEYDS]

thanks guys for bringing to my attention what i have otherwise forgotten especially some passages in the bible.i must say that i meant no contempt or disrespectv to thegift of God or to those who genuinly have the gift.however sometimes it is best to play the devils advocate in order for the full force of the Truth to be revealed.

 

[jean8]

thanks guys for bringing to my attention what i have otherwise forgotten especially some passages in the bible.i must say that i meant no contempt or disrespectv to thegift of God or to those who genuinly have the gift.however sometimes it is best to play the devils advocate in order for the full force of the Truth to be revealed.

wayne,
The truth of God’s word is revealed to us in the Bible, which you obviously haven’t read lately. I do hope that you read 1Cor.14 which goes into detail about the gifts of the Holy Spirit which is given to believers only.
God knows the heart of man.
“I’ts a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.”

God bless you as you search for thr truth in His word.

jean

 

[PamS]

I have been to a pentacostal prayer service where everyone spoke in tounges at the same time. I felt uncomfortable the first time. Afterwords I felt more comfortable but still feeling uneasy because I hardly ever pray outloud except if I am by myself. I just stand there in quiet reflective prayer while everyone else cries and yells out their prayers…but I do not feel like I am the only one because my boyfriend prays in silence as well. But still I feel like I am doing a discervice to the ecumencial spirit since I am a catholic, if I do not pray aloud with them.but I just do not feel called to that type of prayer and I feel like I would do a greater disservice if I forced myself.

I heard some people there call it a made up language. but I do not know what they mean by that.

I’m in the same situation as you! My boyfriend is AOG too, but I am a firm Catholic. His church do the same thing. The problem for me is that there are rules surrounding the gift of tongues. They refer to the verse in 1 cor to validate their ability to speak tongues. Yet, they disregard the surrounding verses that outine the conditions in which spaking tongues is to be used in the church. It says that there can only be a maximum of 3 people that do so. And if they are to speak it aloud, they can only do so if there is an interpreter present. THIS IS HARDLY EVER THE CASE! This makes total sense, as Paul points out to the corinthians that there is no point in being able to speak tongues if the listeners cannot understand what you. The point of tongues is to build up the church and help unbelievers, believe. Paul says that he would rather speak 5 words which people could understand, than a long meaningless ramble that people could not understand. My question for the AOG church is HOW CAN YOU RESPOND WITH “AMEN” AND “GLORY TO GOD” WHEN A PERSON IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES, WITH NO INTERPRETER PRESENT??? YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!! And if by chance you do, then you should stand up and translate the message foe all to hear, so we may also benefit from this gift. For that is the point of speaking tongues! To encourage people!

Also, there are also time sin which women speak in tongues. Women are not mean to preach or address the chruch in front of men, for it is shameful. Instead you are meant to go home and ask your husband in a private setting.

However, I digress…

I do understand where you are coming from. I’ve been with my bf for a year and I still have problems praying out loud. Not that I am ashamed or shy. rather, I believe that my prayers are a person communication between me and Our Heavenly Father. I don’t feel like I have to prove my faith by praying and yelling and crying relentlessly out loud (which I believe many AOG members do).

By made up language they mean that it is not an earthly understood language. It’s like gibberish.

 

[PamS]

In like manner we do also hear many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God. (Irenaeus, c.180)

Sorry dude, Irenaeus wins, you lose.

Many AOG churches abuse the gift of tongues. Paul laid out the rules for the troubled corinthians. Now Catholics must reiterate these rules again for the delusional AOG church.

1 Corinthians 14
Prophecy and Tongues
1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for[a] he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
Tongues Must Be Interpreted

6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? 7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? 9 So likewise you, **unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.
13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.**Tongues a Sign to Unbelievers

22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. 25 And thus[c] the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

Order in Church Meetings

26 How is it then, brethren?** Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation**. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 Let your[d] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. [e]
39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Correction: The Holy Bible wins

 

[PamS]

Pentecostals seem to exaggerate this Holy Spirit thing a lot. Someone I know, he told me that he often falls asleep in church but his mum boasts that he is “touched by the Holy Spirit”, hence the “fainting”.

Bahahahahahahahahaha that’s too funny!

 

[grannymh]

For information -----

A Key to Charismatic Renewal in the Catholic Church** ISBN: 0-87029-033-9**

by Msgr. Vincent M. Walsh
Key of David Publications

 

[Isaiah_41]

Pentecostals seem to exaggerate this Holy Spirit thing a lot. Someone I know, he told me that he often falls asleep in church but his mum boasts that he is “touched by the Holy Spirit”, hence the “fainting”.

Thats funny…I suppose his mom also thinks that “snoring” is the Holy Spirit saying something–lol–
I think “Speaking in Tongues” is something I’m very uncomfortable with and never understood. I do however believe in the zeal of the Holy Spirit.

 

[St_Gabriel]

This is very timely thread for me. I just came back from visiting some relatives who were staying on a penticostal camp. Something very strange happened while I was there that I could not explain. But, I hope that someone here could give me some insight. They were having their church services run for 4 hours. I didn’t go to the service (for obvious reasons - I’m catholic), but stayed with my family back at the campfire. We were waiting for one of the children to get back (12 year old) and it was getting late. Then 2 hours later than normal she showed up in hysterical laughter. The people who brought her said that she was “drunk in the Holy Spirit.” and that she was laughing for 2 hours straight. They then proceded to quote Acts chapter 1 & 2 and said it was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. They took her into the trailer where she continued to laugh, lying on the floor of the trailer. I left them alone for a few minutes and then walked into the trailer. I called her name and asked if she was ok and she said “Yes” calmly and then she proceded to laugh but then stopped about five minutes later.

What do you all think? I never heard that hysterical laughter was a gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[UponTheAltar]

I have never believed in Speaking in Tongues to be blabbing nonsense into the air and flailing around as these sort of people seem to think. I don’t know where the idea of speaking in tongues as such came about but, it doesn’t make any sense. I have always had the understanding that speaking in tongues is speaking in another language! I am pretty sure there are saints in the church that had the gift of tongues which meant that they could speak other languages due to the gift of the Holy Spirit. At Pentecost when the Apostles ran into the streets speaking tongues, I firmly believe that they were speaking other languages because the bible says that people in the crowd heard them speaking their own languages. So, they were probably praising God in the middle of the street in Italian and Arabic and German and English and Chinese along with the other regional languages of the people. If I traveled back in time and stood in that crowd, I might have heard Paul shouting praises in English but, the others who were speaking other foreign languages would have just sounded like babble! I might have recognized a few, maybe Peter was speaking Spanish and John was speaking Polish or something!

That makes a lot more sense than blahblahblahblahshahhahahs! You know?

Dear Holy Spirit, grant me the gift of tongues for Spanish please! Amen!

 

[Hiskid1973]

Grace and peace to my brethren in Christ…I have experienced the Spirit filled life for nearly 40 years now…We had a huge regional spirit filled gathering here in Pa a few years ago… I was nice to worship with my Catholic brethren there, nuns in their habits and priest’s in their robes. All with our hands raised in praise and adoration to our Lord…Over the years I have seen abuse and incredible answers to prayer and healing’s…Satan always has counterfeits working aside real moves of the Spirit and flesh can abuse the real spiritual works…One of my most memorable slain/rest in in the Spirit happened at a deliverance service…I struggled for years with porn and went to this service years ago, it was like the message was tailored for me…I practically ran up front when he was ready to start ministry…I was pretty much the first on there…He reached out with the anointing oil and before he was able to even touch me the power of God laid me out on the floor…I felt like I was floating but was like frozen wide awake…It was like electricity flowing through me…I heard him praying off in the distance but was more engrossed in this cocoon of love and peace…Remember I’ve seen abuse and always had my spiritual “feelers” out when someone would lay hands on me…I came out of it feeling washed…It’s hard to explain, but I experienced it even more profound in my Aug. 73 radical conversion experience…Man I practically floated home…I knew something was broken off me…I have been porn free for a long time.

Anyway, I just want to put in a plug for the Spirit filled live and spontaneous praying. Sometimes my praying is like groaning/weeping I can’t express with words but I know the Holy Spirit is working and intercession is going on…The Spirit filled life helps you to be more able to walk in the Spirit and respond less in the flesh…It helps you with maintaining godly speech, attitudes, speech, deeds and actions…It helps in being sensitive to Spirit to tuned in during the day praying as the Holy Spirit brings requests to your mind…God has overwhelmed me over the years with incredible answers to pray and presence in my life is is hard to keep quiet…Sorry I get rambling to easy…May His grace and mercy overtake you dear ones in Christ…K

 

[guanophore]

I think “Speaking in Tongues” is something I’m very uncomfortable with and never understood. I do however believe in the zeal of the Holy Spirit.

I think it is human nature to be uncomfortable with supernatural phenomenon.

It is also something that is beyond human understanding. How can humans talk in the tongues of angels? The manifestation of the HS occurs quite outside our comfort zone sometimes, and beyond our puny human intellect.

 

[guanophore]

This is very timely thread for me. I just came back from visiting some relatives who were staying on a penticostal camp. Something very strange happened while I was there that I could not explain. But, I hope that someone here could give me some insight. They were having their church services run for 4 hours. I didn’t go to the service (for obvious reasons - I’m catholic), but stayed with my family back at the campfire. We were waiting for one of the children to get back (12 year old) and it was getting late. Then 2 hours later than normal she showed up in hysterical laughter. The people who brought her said that she was “drunk in the Holy Spirit.” and that she was laughing for 2 hours straight. They then proceded to quote Acts chapter 1 & 2 and said it was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. They took her into the trailer where she continued to laugh, lying on the floor of the trailer. I left them alone for a few minutes and then walked into the trailer. I called her name and asked if she was ok and she said “Yes” calmly and then she proceded to laugh but then stopped about five minutes later.

What do you all think? I never heard that hysterical laughter was a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, this is not uncommon. In some places it is called the Gift of Laughter. Sometimes people are filled with such joy that they cannot contain it all. Other times, people receive the Gift of Tears. What seems to happen is that people become open to the HS and healing can occur where barriers have been placed. Pent up emotions sometimes come flowing out, and sometimes, people are gifted with the ability to feel in a way that they previously were unable to do.

Such gifts are not outside the control of the person who receives them, and it is possible to interrupt them, as you could see.

 

[guanophore]

I have never believed in Speaking in Tongues to be blabbing nonsense into the air and flailing around as these sort of people seem to think. I don’t know where the idea of speaking in tongues as such came about but, it doesn’t make any sense.

This is an abuse of the gift. I think people crave for emotional ecstasy, and pump themselves up into a frenzy, ignoring the Apostolic instructions toward order.

I think it has become rampant in Pentecostal communities because of the lack of proper authority and shepherding.

I have always had the understanding that speaking in tongues is speaking in another language! I am pretty sure there are saints in the church that had the gift of tongues which meant that they could speak other languages due to the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This is indeed one manifestation of the gift, and there are historical records of this, beginning at Pentecost. There are also other manifestations that are considered prophetic, and that are ecstatic. Paul refers to some as “tongues of angels”, which would mean they are not a language we would recognize.

At Pentecost when the Apostles ran into the streets speaking tongues, I firmly believe that they were speaking other languages because the bible says that people in the crowd heard them speaking their own languages. So, they were probably praising God in the middle of the street in Italian and Arabic and German and English and Chinese along with the other regional languages of the people.

This may be, but it also may be that they were speaking in their native Aramaic, and that the hearers could all hear them in their own language. Both of these manifestations have been recorded.

If I traveled back in time and stood in that crowd, I might have heard Paul shouting praises in English but, the others who were speaking other foreign languages would have just sounded like babble! I might have recognized a few, maybe Peter was speaking Spanish and John was speaking Polish or something!

But there was no record of any “babble”. Everyone affirmed that they could hear in their own language.

That makes a lot more sense than blahblahblahblahshahhahahs! You know?

Dear Holy Spirit, grant me the gift of tongues for Spanish please! Amen!

LOL. You may have to study that.