Speaking out against campus event

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BillP:
What on earth is inappropriate about the name “Vagina Monolouges”? The word “vagina”? Why is that word inappropriate?

I believe your “drift” is excessively simplistic. There are times and places for killing (defending one’s loved ones or country) and for heroin (which is simply an unrefined form of morphine, after all). How do you define “porn”? There are times and places for depictions of human nudity and even very graphic depictions of human sex acts (marriage manuals? help overcoming sexual problems?). You are conflating “things” with the use to which they are put or the intention of the maker.

I repeat. What is your objection to the Vagina Monolouges? How do you “know” it is “bad”? Someone told you? Who? Had they seen or read it?
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I can see your point and appreciate you bringing it up. At the high chance I will be completly screamed at for saying this, I would like to state that I have not seen this show and so I can’t oppose it just because of that. I do have a problem with the proceeds going to PP. I would think that if a campus wants to support “sexual freedom” they could donate the proceeds to a womens shelter or another organization that helps women escape from abusive relationships/marriages. This to me would truly be supporting freedom from sexual abuse.
 
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Just reading the synopsis at the website, I can see the aim of the play is to bring attention to sexual abuse. I would fight against the proceeds going to PP and like I siad in my previous post, lobby that they go for a women’s shelter or something. I think you can get everyone on board catholic and nondenom alike.
 
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beckyann2597:
I do have a problem with the proceeds going to PP.
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If that was your only objection to the performance, then I apologize.

The OP didn’t say the proceeds were going to PP
Several of the clubs are going to be sponsoring the production of The Vagina Monlogues, a play which has as its purpose the promotion of sexual “freedom” and “liberty,” and the proceeds of which will be donated to places such as Planned Parenthood.
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I’m not sure what “such as” means when written by the OP. If “such as” means groups that support abortion then there’s a problem. If it means groups that support various womens issues that the OP disagrees with then he/she should so indicate.

At any rate the OP obviously took issue with the play and its content:
We wish to speak out against ths production, however there is some resistance within the groups
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With aboslutely no indication that he/she had read or seen the play. In fact:
a play which has as its purpose the promotion of sexual “freedom” and “liberty,”
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Leads me to believe that the OP hasn’t the slightest clue about the content of the play other than the name.
 
My bad, I thought she meant Planned Parenthood. It would be helpful to know.
 
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bear06:
Puleez! I can protest anything that I want, correct? People are completely free to ignore me, correct? Why is is that people are censoring when they disagree with you but excercising free speech when you agree with them?

Why should we allow our tax dollars to go to the production of garbage and the "Monologues: are garbage without a fight? I don’t want to send my kids to college to have my money wasted on crud like this. :mad:
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I totally agree with you!
 
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Lazerlike42:
Just thought I’d let everyone know - it went great. I prayed a rosary beforehand, and asked God for the words, and out of nowhere I came up with this 20-25 minute speach about why we should oppose this, and I made points I had never thought of before, and we voted unanimously to do it! 👍 :amen:
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That’s wonderful! Praise God for this wonderful gift! :bowdown:

Bless you for standing up against this!
 
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BillP:
You claim to KNOW what the play is about, yet by your own admission you haven’t read it. And you’re still trying to prevent others from doing so?

What college are you attending?
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I didn’t see Brokeback Mountain either but I know what that’s about. I’ve read several pieces on the Vagina Monologues from people who have seen it on **both ** sides of the fence and it’s quite enough to know that it is bad news.
 
There are times and places for depictions of human nudity and even very graphic depictions of human sex acts (marriage manuals? help overcoming sexual problems?). You are conflating “things” with the use to which they are put or the intention of the maker.
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How did society ever get along without graphic depictions of human sex acts? Give me a break.
I repeat. What is your objection to the Vagina Monolouges? How do you “know” it is “bad”? Someone told you? Who? Had they seen or read it?
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How about you just do a little google and I’m pretty sure you can find out why faithful Catholics are disgusted by it? We don’t live in a little bubble. News channels have carried many stories on it and just from what was presented there with both sides present, it’s disgusting. You may not be disgusted but I am.
 
BillP, before interrogating the OP, why don’t you do just a bit of research first. I don’t have a clue how old you are, but if you’re out of school, then you probably know nothing of the Vagina Monologues. I am currently a student and although I would never attend it because I do not want to support it, I know that it is wrong because I see what it’s like since they make such a big deal out of it. It is absolutely HUGE on campuses. It is funded by groups like NOW and CWO which should throw a red flag up in the head of any faithful Catholic. It’s a lesbian love fest and a feminist pep rally. I know this because I know of my peers that organize and support these events. They also like to put up flyers everywhere that portray female genitalia along with impure phrases. I’d suggest reading Kate O’Beirn’s new book on feminism. She addresses the Monologues in her book. The Newman Club has always opposed this as well as the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family, and Property - 2 orthodox Catholic organizations. I’ll take their word for it. 👍
 
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BillP:
How do you define “porn”? There are times and places for depictions of human nudity and even very graphic depictions of human sex acts (marriage manuals? help overcoming sexual problems?). You are conflating “things” with the use to which they are put or the intention of the maker.

I repeat. What is your objection to the Vagina Monolouges? How do you “know” it is “bad”? Someone told you? Who? Had they seen or read it?
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I guess that depends on what your definition of the word “is” is.

Some people know right from wrong. Some people want to argue about it.

I encourage anyone who sees VM as something they do not want to see at Catholic universities to contact the Cardinal Newman Society: cardinalnewmansociety.org
 
They have a right to do it.

You have a right to not support it.

If that is your intention, you don’t have a right to shut it down because you disagree, or to disrupt it in anyway. That’s called public disturbance.

Just don’t go see the show.
 
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Liberalsaved:
They have a right to do it.

You have a right to not support it.

If that is your intention, you don’t have a right to shut it down because you disagree, or to disrupt it in anyway. That’s called public disturbance.

Just don’t go see the show.
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We have the right to believe it is evil and thus fight against it and educate people as to why it’s evil.

Also, we are well within our Constitutional and moral rights to protest against it. There is no indication that Lazerlike intends to do any thing contrary to the law so please don’t bring up an argument that isn’t there. If for some reason the campus decides to shut it down because of the protests, WHOO HOO!!! 👍
 
You have several issues here,

First if they are Christian, really Christian then they should know what is wrong with productions like this and should want to protest it.

But Christians have been lied to for so long, told that they can;t “judge”. Well teaching proper morals is not judging.
But we have abortions, x rated TV and more because Americans just won’t get invovled, they either talk and complain or do nothing at all.

So you will never get all to agree, take what you can get and organise those that will. But get out there and protest.
 
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bear06:
We have the right to believe it is evil and thus fight against it and educate people as to why it’s evil.

Also, we are well within our Constitutional and moral rights to protest against it. There is no indication that Lazerlike intends to do any thing contrary to the law so please don’t bring up an argument that isn’t there. If for some reason the campus decides to shut it down because of the protests, WHOO HOO!!! 👍
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Free speech is not subject to your beleifs. That’s the day I leave America. It is not a good thing to have anything censored because a group objects to it. Look at it from the flip side. If you got a Christian rally shut down because these people said it was intolerant, you’d invoke “free speech” and “right vs. wrong.”

Well, as they say, what’s good for the goose…
 
There’s a difference between whats in law and constitution, and whats right and wrong / good and bad. It is both constitutional, and good, for Lazerlike to protest - that’s free speech and good in God’s eyes as well. If the campus decides to shut down the production, regardless of whether this had anything to do with the protest, that’s a separate matter. It is fair enough if the campus decides to censor something because it is too offensive to people or whatever - isn’t that what censorship is all about? But anyway. If another group protested against a Christian rally, they would be within their (constitutional) rights to do so, but in God’s eyes it would not be a good thing. Thing is if the campus uncompromisingly shut down a Christian rally for reasons solely to do with censorship then I think that would be unconstitutional - freedom of religion would be violated. But again, whether or not the campus shuts down the rally, is a different matter to whether or not people are free to protest against it.

I guess one question is would God want this play showing at the campus? I think not! The campus is not run by God, but it would be better if it was, since “God’s foolishness is wiser than man’s wisdom.” Hence we can say that it would be better if this production was not shown at the campus.
 
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Flopfoot:
I guess one question is would God want this play showing at the campus? I think not! The campus is not run by God, but it would be better if it was, since “God’s foolishness is wiser than man’s wisdom.” Hence we can say that it would be better if this production was not shown at the campus.
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I’m afraid I will never see it that way. Wishing for everything to be run by one religious viewpoint is, as I have said before, a theocracy, and that’s just not America. It’s suggested to me often that I re-examine my spirituality. I would now suggest you re-examine your sense of country. There are places where this can happen. America is not one of them. It’s why I love the place, no matter how bad things may be right now. If I want to be a Buddhist, I can be a Buddhist. If I want to be, say, pro-choice and still attend mass, I can do that too.
 
I’m actually from Australia. But in any case I don’t reckon that country should come before God. A country’s ideals are good (I actually like a lot of American ideals) but nothing can be as good as God and His ideals. It’s hard, in a country where we are taught tolerance, freedom of religion etc. to try and think, does God really want us to let people be Buddhist? Well for all I know, maybe God does, because He wants people to come to Him in some way other than by the government forcing them to - in fact that makes a lot of sense. But I wasn’t saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to be Buddhist. What I was saying related to the displaying of a production. God expects governemnts to protect their citizens, and I reckon in God’s mind this includes protecting them from productions with bad (harmful?) content.
 
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Flopfoot:
I’m actually from Australia. But in any case I don’t reckon that country should come before God. A country’s ideals are good (I actually like a lot of American ideals) but nothing can be as good as God and His ideals. It’s hard, in a country where we are taught tolerance, freedom of religion etc. to try and think, does God really want us to let people be Buddhist? Well for all I know, maybe God does, because He wants people to come to Him in some way other than by the government forcing them to - in fact that makes a lot of sense. But I wasn’t saying that people shouldn’t be allowed to be Buddhist. What I was saying related to the displaying of a production. God expects governemnts to protect their citizens, and I reckon in God’s mind this includes protecting them from productions with bad (harmful?) content.
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Well, actually, as I am not a woman, this particular production is important to me only it it’s affects on others. But we all know where I stand on social issues, and that I agree it should go forward, simply because they have a right to. If it can be protested without being disruptive, that is also a right. But we both know that protest without disruption is, unfortunately, a very rare thing.
 
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Liberalsaved:
But we both know that protest without disruption is, unfortunately, a very rare thing.
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I didn’t know that. Only when it’s angry liberals protesting have I ever seen much disruption. The March for Life has several tens of thousands of protesters and I’ve never seen any disruption. The Newman Club has peaceful protests all the time. When the AU tried to have the Ten Commandments removed from a park in my hometown, all of us right-wing extremists went out and had a candlelit vigil. Basically, you’re wrong.
 
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