Speaking out against contraceptives

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How do you speak out against contraception other than just saying that it is a mortal sin. Most people (catholics) who I speak to on this subject are very ambivalent about it.

Specifically, I would like to know what blessings (other than children 🙂 ) a married couple would have if they do not use contraceptives in their marriage and what disadvantages they would have to suffer in their marriage if they do use contraceptives.
 
I make a point to let people know that chemical BC is an aboritifcant. Many people, even Christians, are not informed of that and that is part of the reason for their ambivalence.
 
I assume that unless invited to do so specifically, most people are not interested in being lectured on this most personal of decisions.
 
RobinSebas said:
Specifically, I would like to know what blessings (other than children 🙂 ) a married couple would have if they do not use contraceptives in their marriage and what disadvantages they would have to suffer in their marriage if they do use contraceptives.
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Blessings:
-they get to work with their spouse in understanding the amazing gift of fertility He gave to us, instead of treating it as a disease that needs to be managed through chemicals or other means.
-they get to unite themselves with their spouse in a manner that those using ABC don’t- namely, they get to give themselves entirely to their spouses, and receive all of their spouse in return. ABC, by its very nature, makes it impossible for two to truly become one

Disadvantages to ABC:
  • chemical BC is an abortifacient, as well as carrying with it a whole slew of other problematic side effects
  • the marital embrace, and by extention, the spouse, is now reduced to nothing more than the pursuit of pleasure. The spouse is now rendered a means to achieve that pleasure
  • Humanae Vitae has a whole list of things that would follow increased use of ABC- among them divorce, abortion, infidelity.
 
Syele said:
I make a point to let people know that chemical BC is an aboritifcant. Many people, even Christians, are not informed of that and that is part of the reason for their ambivalence.
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Very true…I had a discussion with a friend that didn’t know that such a possiblity existed. But you have to have it correct; most types of “the pill” are abortifacient, not all.
Cari said:
Blessings:
-they get to work with their spouse in understanding the amazing gift of fertility He gave to us, instead of treating it as a disease that needs to be managed through chemicals or other means.
-they get to unite themselves with their spouse in a manner that those using ABC don’t- namely, they get to give themselves entirely to their spouses, and receive all of their spouse in return. ABC, by its very nature, makes it impossible for two to truly become one

Disadvantages to ABC:
  • chemical BC is an abortifacient, as well as carrying with it a whole slew of other problematic side effects
  • the marital embrace, and by extention, the spouse, is now reduced to nothing more than the pursuit of pleasure. The spouse is now rendered a means to achieve that pleasure- Humanae Vitae has a whole list of things that would follow increased use of ABC- among them divorce, abortion, infidelity.
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Most, but not all of them.

An argument could be made that unity is still preserved.

Exactomundo.
 
For the men, I would like to try a little addendum to the thread. Has any male tried speaking to female members of his family othe than his wife (siblings, children) regarding birth control? At least in my family circle it is just not a topic a male discusses authoritatively with women and men are mostly shut out of the discussion.
 
I would bring up the fact that ABC’s are chemicals that you are putting into your body to make it stop doing what it is suppose to do. There are reasons why are bodies release eggs at certain times of the month. There are reasons why we have periods. Why as women should we be ashamed of the way our bodies work and ingest a chemical to make it stop working correctly.
 
st_lucy said:
I would bring up the fact that ABC’s are chemicals that you are putting into your body to make it stop doing what it is suppose to do. There are reasons why are bodies release eggs at certain times of the month. There are reasons why we have periods. Why as women should we be ashamed of the way our bodies work and ingest a chemical to make it stop working correctly.
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Well to be fair alot donlt want it to work correctly in that regard lol. 😃 And for things like periods and releasing eggs I donlt think most women feel it is shameful it;s just painful and inconvient.
 
Calliso said:
Well to be fair alot donlt want it to work correctly in that regard lol. 😃 And for things like periods and releasing eggs I donlt think most women feel it is shameful it;s just painful and inconvient.
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Well to those I say why is it inconvenient to be a women? Taking the pill will not help a person know and understand why it is her period is painful and start taking real precautions into actually fixing the problem, instead of putting a band aid on it and hoping it will just go away.
 
Cari said:
Blessings:
-they get to work with their spouse in understanding the amazing gift of fertility He gave to us, instead of treating it as a disease that needs to be managed through chemicals or other means.
-they get to unite themselves with their spouse in a manner that those using ABC don’t- namely, they get to give themselves entirely to their spouses, and receive all of their spouse in return. ABC, by its very nature, makes it impossible for two to truly become one

Disadvantages to ABC:
  • chemical BC is an abortifacient, as well as carrying with it a whole slew of other problematic side effects
  • the marital embrace, and by extention, the spouse, is now reduced to nothing more than the pursuit of pleasure. The spouse is now rendered a means to achieve that pleasure
  • Humanae Vitae has a whole list of things that would follow increased use of ABC- among them divorce, abortion, infidelity.
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I hate to blow your theory, but birth control does not always harm a marriage. My husband and I have been married for 25 years. During those years, there have been times when we used contraception and times when we did not… Our level of love, trust, commitment and unity did not change or depend on whether or not we used birth control. (I will say that we never used the birth control pill, but relied on other methods instead.)

I have never been divorced or had an abortion; neither one of us has ever been unfaithful to the other.

I never felt that I was “rendered a means to achieve pleasure.” The pleasure is mutal and something that a couple gives to each other. That is part of the unitive aspect of marriage.

Whether or not to use contraception is a decision between a couple and God…no one else. It is a decision that is as individual as the people and circumstances involved. My husband and I have always been in agreement and at peace with God in the choices we made. I guess God intended us for each other. What a blessing that has been!
 
Priscilla_Ann said:
I hate to blow your theory, but birth control does not always harm a marriage. My husband and I have been married for 25 years. During those years, there have been times when we used contraception and times when we did not… Our level of love, trust, commitment and unity did not change or depend on whether or not we used birth control. (I will say that we never used the birth control pill, but relied on other methods instead.)

I have never been divorced or had an abortion; neither one of us has ever been unfaithful to the other.

I never felt that I was “rendered a means to achieve pleasure.” The pleasure is mutal and something that a couple gives to each other. That is part of the unitive aspect of marriage.

Whether or not to use contraception is a decision between a couple and God…no one else. It is a decision that is as individual as the people and circumstances involved. My husband and I have always been in agreement and at peace with God in the choices we made. I guess God intended us for each other. What a blessing that has been!
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It is goo that you have had this experience. However, statistically, couples who never contracept are staggeringly less likely to get a divorce that couples who do. Your experience is not proof that contraception does not harm many marriages, it is simply your experience.

Contraception is always and inherently evil. A couple that is actively and using contraception is, by definition, not at peace with God. Rather it is more likely that their conscience has not been properly formed or it has been dulled by repeated grave sin.
 
st_lucy said:
Well to those I say why is it inconvenient to be a women? Taking the pill will not help a person know and understand why it is her period is painful and start taking real precautions into actually fixing the problem, instead of putting a band aid on it and hoping it will just go away.
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It’;s mainly just the period that is inconvient. Not actually being a woman. And well yeah a person shouldn;t just take the pill to stop her period or make it less sucky, at least without looking into other options and talking with her doctor first. I do know that I felt much better much healther when I was on the pill not just when it was that time of the month either.
 
rpp said:
It is goo that you have had this experience. However, statistically, couples who never contracept are staggeringly less likely to get a divorce that couples who do. Your experience is not proof that contraception does not harm many marriages, it is simply your experience.

Contraception is always and inherently evil. A couple that is actively and using contraception is, by definition, not at peace with God. Rather it is more likely that their conscience has not been properly formed or it has been dulled by repeated grave sin.
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Excuse me, but you know nothing about our consience or our relationship with God. To say otherwise is simply untrue. Did you actually read your words before you posted?
 
Priscilla_Ann said:
Excuse me, but you know nothing about our consience or our relationship with God. To say otherwise is simply untrue. Did you actually read your words before you posted?
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I am sorry, but when you say you admit to committing grave sins then say you are at peace with God about it, that can only mean three things.


  1. *]You repented and will not do it again.
    *]You did not learn that contraception was gravely sinful and thus did it ignorance. (Conscience not properly formed.)
    *]You knew it was wrong, convinced yourself that it was somehow okay (not sinful at all or not seriously sinful) and you therefore numbed your conscience.
    These are the only possibilities. The last two create a wall between you and God, whether you know it is there or not.

    This, by the way, is true of all grave sins.

    I do not and cannot know your heart so I do not know which of the three it is, nor do I desire to know. One t6hing is clear, a person cannot be in a state of grave sin and be in communion with God. That is a fact, as unpleasant as it may sound, that is the way it is.
 
rpp said:
I am sorry, but when you say you admit to committing grave sins then say you are at peace with God about it, that can only mean three things.


  1. *]You repented and will not do it again.
    *]You did not learn that contraception was gravely sinful and thus did it ignorance. (Conscience not properly formed.)
    *]You knew it was wrong, convinced yourself that it was somehow okay (not sinful at all or not seriously sinful) and you therefore numbed your conscience.
    These are the only possibilities. The last two create a wall between you and God, whether you know it is there or not.

    This, by the way, is true of all grave sins.

    I do not and cannot know your heart so I do not know which of the three it is, nor do I desire to know. One t6hing is clear, a person cannot be in a state of grave sin and be in communion with God. That is a fact, as unpleasant as it may sound, that is the way it is.
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  1. The conscience is not formed by a set of man made rules. The conscience is formed by one’s relationship with God through prayer and a growing knowledge of His Word. I have obeyed God’s Word…not man made rules.
 
Biggie said:
For the men, I would like to try a little addendum to the thread. Has any male tried speaking to female members of his family othe than his wife (siblings, children) regarding birth control? At least in my family circle it is just not a topic a male discusses authoritatively with women and men are mostly shut out of the discussion.
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Ditto.

Its a very touchy subject because almost everyone does it.
 
mark_a said:
How do you explain the fact that peoples consciences vary wildly in what is sinful and what is not?
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People’s consciences will always vary…unless, of course, you would like to take away people’s ability to think and reason.
 
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