Speaking out against contraceptives

[Burdock]

to wannerbe cant be bothered it just ends up going around in circles.

 

[mdgspencer]

But they are not Catholics in good standing, according the the teaching of the Church. Pope John Paul said repeatedly that those who use contraceptives should not go to communion.
I would think that being an unrepentant murderer would be a barrier to being admitted to the Church if it was known. This in spite of the fact that there are Catholics who have become murderers. This is not an apparent contradiction, nor does it mean there is something wrong with the teaching of the Church.
This is not to say contraception is as serious as murder, but simply to provide an example of the actual situation.

SO icant become a catholic because i dont see a problem with contraception but the church is full of catholics who contracept something wrong here somewhere dont you think.

 

[Burdock]

i have had enough of all this im not going to post anymore on this subject . i think il just go off and ibernate.

 

[wanner47]

to wannerbe cant be bothered it just ends up going around in circles.

No, I think it’s more that you don’t want to really think about my questions – otherwise you’d have to admit that your opinions were flawed.

 

[cnrmat]

I hate to blow your theory, but birth control does not always harm a marriage. My husband and I have been married for 25 years. During those years, there have been times when we used contraception and times when we did not… Our level of love, trust, commitment and unity did not change or depend on whether or not we used birth control. (I will say that we never used the birth control pill, but relied on other methods instead.)

I have never been divorced or had an abortion; neither one of us has ever been unfaithful to the other.

I never felt that I was “rendered a means to achieve pleasure.” The pleasure is mutal and something that a couple gives to each other. That is part of the unitive aspect of marriage.

Whether or not to use contraception is a decision between a couple and God…no one else. It is a decision that is as individual as the people and circumstances involved. My husband and I have always been in agreement and at peace with God in the choices we made. I guess God intended us for each other. What a blessing that has been!

my wife and i have made this same choice ourselves but there is still that struggle within the religious teachings. We too feel that this decision is between God and us and want to continue with the sacraments of communion but are just reluctant to go forth. Don’t get us wrong, we love kids and have 5 beautiful children of our own, but feel that it could be a finanicial issue if more children were to come into our lives. I know that the lord has a plan and will provide for us but i don’t want to be begging. Is our decision alone strong enough to continue with communion? Were you able to continue with the sacraments based on your decision and could the priest offer and exception? Not looking to pry, just looking for answers. Thanks

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

my wife and i have made this same choice ourselves but there is still that struggle within the religious teachings. We too feel that this decision is between God and us and want to continue with the sacraments of communion but are just reluctant to go forth. Don’t get us wrong, we love kids and have 5 beautiful children of our own, but feel that it could be a finanicial issue if more children were to come into our lives. I know that the lord has a plan and will provide for us but i don’t want to be begging. Is our decision alone strong enough to continue with communion? Were you able to continue with the sacraments based on your decision and could the priest offer and exception? Not looking to pry, just looking for answers. Thanks

My husband and I left the Catholic Church over 10 years ago; however, Catholic teaching on contraception was not the reason we left. During the time when we were Catholic and using contraception, we did continue to receive the sacraments. (Most Catholics I knew at that time were using contraception and receiving the sacraments.)

 

[RobbyS]

This makes no sense to me. The difference between NFP and other forms of contraception is what I find to be semantic. When a couple tracks temperatures and mucous production, and does whatever else is part of modern NFP, and boasts a 95%+ confidence level that they can have sex without pregnancy, how is that different from taking other steps to have sex without getting pregnant? How can it be “accepting” of a child when so much effort is put into avoiding having one?

I once thought as you did. That was forty years ago. but now I understand the implications of stepping across that bright line of morality: Abortion on demand, IVF as a common practice, and experimentation with human embryos. Sexuality for many human beings is somewhat what alcohol is for the alcoholic. One false step leads to another, and another, and another. I agree that NFP seems to tiptoe up to the line, but it doesn’t step over in the moral ditch that is the contraceptive mentality that sets few limits on the demands of our lust.

 

[RobbyS]

But they are not Catholics in good standing, according the the teaching of the Church. Pope John Paul said repeatedly that those who use contraceptives should not go to communion.
I would think that being an unrepentant murderer would be a barrier to being admitted to the Church if it was known. This in spite of the fact that there are Catholics who have become murderers. This is not an apparent contradiction, nor does it mean there is something wrong with the teaching of the Church.
This is not to say contraception is as serious as murder, but simply to provide an example of the actual situation.

I don’t want to make inveterate comparisons either. But one ought to point out that many German Catholics supported the Nazi regime in order to prove to others that they were good Germans, and not merely from fear. They wanted to “fit in” to the new Reich.

 

[happynoodlecat]

Wait…contraceptives are evil because:

-i can go on my period without severe pain and nausea ( am allergic to most painkillers over the counter or prescription AND alternative forms of pain-dealing methods do not work)

-it stops formation of my ovarian cysts (had to have surgery to drain it because it was causing me so much pain)

…maybe I’m missing the point.

being on bc does not automatically=indulging in wild sexual passions.

I take BC for medical reasons, not to be able to have wild passionate sex without procreation getting in the way.

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

Wait…contraceptives are evil because:

-i can go on my period without severe pain and nausea ( am allergic to most painkillers over the counter or prescription AND alternative forms of pain-dealing methods do not work)

-it stops formation of my ovarian cysts (had to have surgery to drain it because it was causing me so much pain)

…maybe I’m missing the point.

being on bc does not automatically=indulging in wild sexual passions.

I take BC for medical reasons, not to be able to have wild passionate sex without procreation getting in the way.

No, you aren’t missing the point at all. For many of us, contraception is a matter of medical necessity, common sense and moral responsibility. There is no sinful intent.

 

[wanner47]

No, you aren’t missing the point at all. For many of us, contraception is a matter of medical necessity, common sense and moral responsibility. There is no sinful intent.

First of all, taking BC for legitimate medical reasons is perfectly within Church teaching, even if one is married. No one disputes that.

Second of all, if you are deliberately and knowingly disobeying the Church, the authority set up by Christ himself, how is that *not *sinful?

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

First of all, taking BC for legitimate medical reasons is perfectly within Church teaching, even if one is married. No one disputes that.

Second of all, if you are deliberately and knowingly disobeying the Church, the authority set up by Christ himself, how is that *not *sinful?

Using birth control in a morally responsible manner, according to one’s conscience, is not a sin. The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from men, not from God. Besides that, as I stated earlier, my husband and I have not been Catholic for many years.

 

[wanner47]

Using birth control in a morally responsible manner, according to one’s conscience, is not a sin.

If one’s conscience is formed correctly, and if the birth control in question is NFP, then your statement would be correct.

The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from men, not from God.

Proof?

Besides that, as I stated earlier, my husband and I have not been Catholic for many years.

I’m sorry.

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

If one’s conscience is formed correctly, and if the birth control in question is NFP, then your statement would be correct.

Proof?

I’m sorry.

God knows our conscience and our motives; the Catholic church does not.

 

[wanner47]

God knows our conscience and our motives; the Catholic church does not.

If you reject the authority that God established for us – i.e., the Church – that certainly says a lot about your conscience and your motives, does it not?

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

If you reject the authority that God established for us – i.e., the Church – that certainly says a lot about your conscience and your motives, does it not?

God knows! The Catholic church is not my God.

 

[newbetx]

Using birth control in a morally responsible manner, according to one’s conscience, is not a sin. The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from men, not from God. Besides that, as I stated earlier, my husband and I have not been Catholic for many years.

God knows! The Catholic church is not my God.

I’m sure you don’t mean this but it would appear that your conscience is your God. The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from the Bible. The Bible either came from man or God. You can believe what you like.

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

I’m sure you don’t mean this but it would appear that your conscience is your God. The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from the Bible. The Bible either came from man or God. You can believe what you like.

The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from the Bible? I certainly hope you can cite something other than the story of Onan in Genesis! That is not a relevant example as Onan simply did not want to produce offspring for his brother, who had died. That is a situation that is not relevant in our culture.

A couple can seek God’s will in prayer, and act according to God’s leading. Why does the Catholic Church wish to impose itself as a barrier between man and God?

 

[wanner47]

The Catholic teaching on contraception comes from the Bible? I certainly hope you can cite something other than the story of Onan in Genesis! That is not a relevant example as Onan simply did not want to produce offspring for his brother, who had died. That is a situation that is not relevant in our culture.

A couple can seek God’s will in prayer, and act according to God’s leading. Why does the Catholic Church wish to impose itself as a barrier between man and God?

Why do you impose your conscience as a barrier between yourself and the Church?

Why would Jesus set up a Church, and give teaching authority to that Church, if we were all supposed to subscribe to Jiminy Cricket theology? (Always let your conscience be your guide!)

 

[Priscilla_Ann]

Why do you impose your conscience as a barrier between yourself and the Church?

Why would Jesus set up a Church, and give teaching authority to that Church, if we were all supposed to subscribe to Jiminy Cricket theology? (Always let your conscience be your guide!)

Prayerfully seeking God’s will is not “Jiminy Cricket theology”.