Special Abuses for Lent/Easter

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It’s just amazing how my parish piles-on the liturgical abuses and sundry poor behavior during Lent/Easter:
  • Washing of both men’s and women’s feet at Easter, followed by the “chosen 12” washing everyone else’s feet. What a sick joke.
  • Draining of Holy Water fonts. (Thankfully I am able to re-fill them before the Sunday Masses begin.)
  • Replacement of crucifix in the sanctuary with a bare cross. (Thankfully some maverick altar servers now place the processional crucifix in an area that can be seen.)
  • The planning of a “liturgical dancer” for the Easter Vigil Mass.
This sorta stuff makes one wonder why Jesus Christ would allow such garbage to continue…
 
There’s nothing inherently wrong about dancing in liturgy, especially for someone fond of the Old Testament, but what exactly is a “liturgical dancer” and why need that?

I understand that some cultures may have a desire to praise God by dancing during the liturgy, but that’s more like in the missionary countries.

Maybe let’s dance a couple of tacts of English Waltz for the sign of peace? :rolleyes:
 
If the good Catholics in every parish would demand this nonsense ends, it would. Unfortunately, most of the good Catholics have been cowed into silent submission. They fear being labeled “pre-Vatican II,” “reactionary,” or even “traditionalist!” :bigyikes: The “we are church” Our Father hand-holders love dissent, as long as it’s dissent from Rome’s authority. Question *their *decisions, however, and that smarmy Kumbaya smile turns to a demonic sneer of derision.

Yes, the jack-booted liturgical abusers have done a good job of silencing good Catholics. How sad. :nope:
 
Dr. Bombay:
If the good Catholics in every parish would demand this nonsense ends, it would. Unfortunately, most of the good Catholics have been cowed into silent submission. They fear being labeled “pre-Vatican II,” “reactionary,” or even “traditionalist!” :bigyikes:
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But I am a pre-Vatican II traditional Catholic? How else am I supposed to act?

And yes, I have written some strong e-mails; letters, and letters-to-the-editors complaining about some really non-Catholic practices during Mass. Like this morning singing “We shall overcome some day” by the drum, guitar, trumpet, and two man chorus up in the sanctuary.

Or attending the Stations of the Cross (way of the cross) twice a week with no friars or priests in sight. All done by laymen. 😦

Those are gonna rate some strong letter writing from me!
 
Gee, I don’t know Kevin. Maybe you should take some blood from the Shroud of Turin, clone Jesus and have Him talk to your priest and bishop directly. Maybe they’d listen to Him?
 
Dr. Bombay:
If the good Catholics in every parish would demand this nonsense ends, it would. Unfortunately, most of the good Catholics have been cowed into silent submission. They fear being labeled “pre-Vatican II,” “reactionary,” or even “traditionalist!” :bigyikes: The “we are church” Our Father hand-holders love dissent, as long as it’s dissent from Rome’s authority. Question *their *decisions, however, and that smarmy Kumbaya smile turns to a demonic sneer of derision.

Yes, the jack-booted liturgical abusers have done a good job of silencing good Catholics. How sad. :nope:
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And who would want to be labeled as a “traditonalist” given some of the bildge that has flowed on these very forums from same?
 
Nota Bene:
And who would want to be labeled as a “traditonalist” given some of the bildge that has flowed on these very forums from same?
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Precisely right.
 
Dr. Bombay:
Gee, I don’t know Kevin. Maybe you should take some blood from the Shroud of Turin, clone Jesus and have Him talk to your priest and bishop directly. Maybe they’d listen to Him?
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But would the clone be the Lord? Or just a guy who resembles Jesus? You’re giving way too much credit to cloning and to the genetic determination of human behaviour.

Only the Lord will determine the second coming. If that is to be a clone from the Shroud of Turin, it will be up to God and not man who makes that determination.
 
Awwww, but where would the “fun” be in sticking it to Jesus if you can’t mock Him at Easter through Liturgical innovations? Shucks, you underestimate the perniciousness of the evils facing us this Easter. This will be my tenth Easter as a Catholic and due to circumstances, I won’t be able to attend even the Vigil. My heart can’t take it anymore and I’m truly sickened by all that passes for Liturgy here. I’m waiting and hoping for better days in the future and cling to the Rock in that the gates of the the netherworld shall not prevail…

Besides that, I’m trying to work on not using foul language and lately I’ve been sounding pretty bad.

Peace and all good,

Thomas2
 
At one of our local parishes, a member of the congregation took a turkey baster, and got all of the water out of the Holy Water Fonts in Church, and put rocks in them.

One parishioner said that when they had sand in their Holy Water Fonts, her son would put his gum in it. 🙂

:blessyou:
Annie
 
Nota Bene:
And who would want to be labeled as a “traditonalist” given some of the bildge that has flowed on these very forums from same?
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Here comes the school yard insults and you wonder why traditionalists don’t stay at their home parishes!!! :whistle:
 
Nota Bene:
It’s just amazing how my parish piles-on the liturgical abuses and sundry poor behavior during Lent/Easter:
  • Washing of both men’s and women’s feet at Easter, followed by the “chosen 12” washing everyone else’s feet. What a sick joke.
  • Draining of Holy Water fonts. (Thankfully I am able to re-fill them before the Sunday Masses begin.)
  • Replacement of crucifix in the sanctuary with a bare cross. (Thankfully some maverick altar servers now place the processional crucifix in an area that can be seen.)
  • The planning of a “liturgical dancer” for the Easter Vigil Mass.
This sorta stuff makes one wonder why Jesus Christ would allow such garbage to continue…
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My church does every one of these things…
 
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AnnieD:
At one of our local parishes, a member of the congregation took a turkey baster, and got all of the water out of the Holy Water Fonts in Church, and put rocks in them.

One parishioner said that when they had sand in their Holy Water Fonts, her son would put his gum in it. 🙂

Annie
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That’s easy to fix – just keep refilling them. I keep a gallon of holy water on hand during Lent. I put about an ounce of holy water in an empty one gallon container and top it off with fresh water, shake and re-fill those dry fonts.

It’s a great deal more work to drain the fonts then it is to fill them. They usually try to keep them dry for 3 weeks during Lent when they finally give up…
 
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Thomas2:
Awwww, but where would the “fun” be in sticking it to Jesus if you can’t mock Him at Easter through Liturgical innovations? Shucks, you underestimate the perniciousness of the evils facing us this Easter. This will be my tenth Easter as a Catholic and due to circumstances, I won’t be able to attend even the Vigil. My heart can’t take it anymore and I’m truly sickened by all that passes for Liturgy here. I’m waiting and hoping for better days in the future and cling to the Rock in that the gates of the the netherworld shall not prevail…

Besides that, I’m trying to work on not using foul language and lately I’ve been sounding pretty bad.

Peace and all good,

Thomas2
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You bring-up a good point. We have several Masses each Sunday. If one chooses carefully, they can pick the one with the fewest abuses. However, during “special” Masses like the Easter Vigil it’s the only game in town and the abusers seem to get the upper hand.

Like you I avoid the Vigil Mass – regretfully…
 
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chevalier:
There’s nothing inherently wrong about dancing in liturgy, especially for someone fond of the Old Testament, but what exactly is a “liturgical dancer” and why need that?

I understand that some cultures may have a desire to praise God by dancing during the liturgy, but that’s more like in the missionary countries.

Maybe let’s dance a couple of tacts of English Waltz for the sign of peace? :rolleyes:
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I think the Vatican directive was that it was not to be allowed, except in cultures where it was an ancient tradition. I suppose that to mean Africa and Hawaii, etc., though I’m not sure. I’ve never seen it, but I’ve seen pictures of it. Like the purple cow, I never hope to see it.
 
Leavened Altar bread:mad:

The first communion kids doing the readings for Easter Sunday. (parents may think it’s cute to see their kids do the readings, but it is very distracting- it takes the focus off of the reading and onto the reader)

Statues of the risen Christ in place of the crucifix during Eastertide.

Not ringing the church bells during the Gloria on Holy Thursday.

Leaving out the Sequence at the Easter Sunday Mass

Also,
Priests need to make it clear that people must be practicing Catholics and in a state of grace to receive communion- Easter or not.
 
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m134e5:
**Leavened Altar bread **:mad:

The first communion kids doing the readings for Easter Sunday. (parents may think it’s cute to see their kids do the readings, but it is very distracting- it takes the focus off of the reading and onto the reader)

Statues of the risen Christ in place of the crucifix during Eastertide.

Not ringing the church bells during the Gloria on Holy Thursday.

Leaving out the Sequence at the Easter Sunday Mass

Also,
Priests need to make it clear that people must be practicing Catholics and in a state of grace to receive communion- Easter or not.
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That’s hardcore. I wouldn’t think twice about dumping the leavened bread in the trash and replacing it with approved hosts. And no, I could care less what other people would think/do…
 
Nota Bene:
It’s just amazing how my parish piles-on the liturgical abuses and sundry poor behavior during Lent/Easter:
    • Draining of Holy Water fonts. (Thankfully I am able to re-fill them before the Sunday Masses begin.)
  • Replacement of crucifix in the sanctuary with a bare cross. (Thankfully some maverick altar servers now place the processional crucifix in an area that can be seen.)
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draining the holy water fonts and draping or covering statues and crucifix was done in Churches of my childhood (way way pre V2) so where is the innovation you are unhappy with?
Liturgical dance is definitely out since the 70s, your parish is retro if they are still doing it.
 
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puzzleannie:
**draining the holy water fonts and draping or covering statues and crucifix was done in Churches of my childhood (way way pre V2) so where is the innovation you are unhappy with? **Liturgical dance is definitely out since the 70s, your parish is retro if they are still doing it.
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Only you are suggesting I don’t like recent “innovations.” I detest anything that contravenes what the Church instructs and that includes empty holy water fonts and no visible crucifix in the sanctuary during the Mass.
 
empty holy water fonts and draping or removing statues and crucifix used to be the custom beginning with Passion Sunday, which used to be the 5th Sunday of Lent. It is now left up to each bishop to say if and when this custom is observed, usually happens now after the Holy Thursday liturgy in the evening. another custom is no instrumental music during lent. Even if statues are draped, at least the processional crucifix must remain so that a crucifix is present during Mass, on that you are absolutely correct.
 
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