Specific Church Teaching on Gender Transitioning?

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gracepoole said:
My understanding is that this is actually a requirement in the US, not an option.
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Actually, no. It’s a common misconception, but no. There is no law that requires it, and people do fall into unscrupulous clinics and therapists
 
This is totally separate, but since it’s required for the military, I had it in my head that for insurance to cover it (and my knowledge on civilian insurance where this matter is concerned is severely limited, and I’ll own that), they had to see a psychiatrist. I literally thought you couldn’t do the surgery without a confirmed diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

I guess I was transposing the rules for the DOD to the outside.

I’d have bet cash on it. Man, would I have lost.

Of course, our rules are changing again. I can barely keep up. :woman_facepalming:t3:
 
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Actually, let me dial back–the medication is very easy to get, the surgery I’m not as sure about

(Sorry for misinformation)
 
Per WPATH you are supposed to have the letters. Some people game the system, so you’re both right and wrong.
 
It’s kind of that but more than that. I mean a lot of people who date women will only be open to dating a real woman and many people simply don’t consider transwomen women.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Actually, no. It’s a common misconception, but no. There is no law that requires it, and people do fall into unscrupulous clinics and therapists
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Well there are no laws to tell doctors how to treat cancer either (my wife is a doctor). But there are standards of care for various cancers just as there are standards of care for the transgendered. A doctor who deviates from the standards of care opens him/herself up to a malpractice lawsuit that the doctor will surely lose.

Yes there are doctors who game the system for unscrupulous reasons. If you go overseas for treatment, this is more likely. In Canada transition is paid for by medicare in most places, and going through the hoops of the standards of care is essential if medicare is to pay.
 
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Then there are the “tword chasers”. They selectively seek out trans people. Wierd.
 
There are other concerns. This is still in its infancy. Before surgery is considered, I’d think long and hard. This is a decent article by a magazine that is pretty neutral, I think.

www.economist.com

When girls won’t be girls

Growing numbers of teenagers, convinced they have been born in the wrong body, are switching gender. But young people change their minds about lots of things. What if one of them is their gender? Charlie McCann investigates
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ConfusedLucy said:
It’s kind of that but more than that. I mean a lot of people who date women will only be open to dating a real woman and many people simply don’t consider transwomen women.
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That is true, there is a lot of transphobia out there- there are a lot of men out there who take one look at Chelsea Manning or Caitlyn Jenner and just see them as men in dresses.
 
It’s not transphobia to want to date someone who can give you children some day.

Also, those are men in dresses.
 
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OP, have you tried contacting Courage? I know on their website, they have a recording of a talk given by a man who is both a deacon and a plastic surgeon on the subject of gender reassingment surgery.
 
You cant help seeing what is there in front of you though. Some people are very obviously masculine or feminine looking and you cant force people to see you a certain way.
 
redbetta said:
It’s not transphobia to want to date someone who can give you children some day.
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And yet plenty of biological men and women cannot conceive. Some even marry even knowing it in advance, others find out when they try to have children. However I will agree if having children is your goal, you have the right to select a partner with a reasonable chance of fulfilling that desire.
redbetta said:
Also, those are men in dresses.
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A facile thing to say from the comforts of an anonymous Internet username. Would you say that to their faces?

I can’t comment on the specific circumstances of the two cases mentioned, but I do know some transgendered people have had this deep-seated tendency, and also deep-seated unhappiness, from a very young age.

Being trans is not a moral issue. It is a clinical issue that is best treated by expert psychiatric and medical care by experts in the field.
 
I would never humor anyone in their delusions. It’s neither charitable nor right.
 
I don’t deny that these individuals are suffering but you cant become a real woman through cosmetic surgery and a change of clothes.
 
OraLabora said:
A facile thing to say from the comforts of an anonymous Internet username. Would you say that to their faces?
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Thank you, OraLabora. I so wanted to offer a correction to that remark, but I couldn’t think of a way to do it charitably.
 
redbetta said:
would never humor anyone in their delusions. It’s neither charitable nor right.
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It’s not a delusion. It’s an mental health issue that requires the same charity and compassion as any other mental health issue.
 
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Delusions are a symptom of bad mental health. I agree we should be charitable, but humoring them isn’t being charitable.
 
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