Spectacles at Holy Mass

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TheRealJuliane said:
Yes, it sounds like it.
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Sounds like it to me too. That was my first thought. The man is dead. Not appropriate to bring it up now when he’s not here to defend himself.

The priest could have made his point without bringing up the actions of a dead man.
 
anp1215 said:
Sounds like it to me too. That was my first thought. The man is dead. Not appropriate to bring it up now when he’s not here to defend himself.

The priest could have made his point without bringing up the actions of a dead man.
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Perhaps I misunderstood the OP, but my impression was that the preist was PRAISING the actions of his dead friend, not gossiping about him… I saw it more as a “You should have meet this guy… He was so filled with the Holy Spirit and really made a difference…”

But as always : I could be wrong…

God bless
 
CB_Catholic said:
I have come to the point where I would like to come to the forums for just one day and not read complaints about the Mass, the priest, the Bishop, altar girls, the homily, kneeling, standing, sitting, hand raising, babies crying–you name it.

Wouldn’t it be nice to recognize our fellow Catholics for the good they do? How many of us consider the time and effort spent by the people in the pews and our clergy in feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick, championing right-to-life causes, serving in the missions, etc. Or is this all overshadowed by focusing on things we don’t like?

I would like to see a one week moratorium on complaining in these forums just to give us all a chance to really think about Christ and our relationship to Him and our brothers and sisters.
I don’t think it will happen, but it sure would be nice, wouldn’t it?
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Where else are we going to complain and vent and ask for help? Our Church is going through some tough times, and we see crazy things at Mass all the time. (I don’t anymore, but not everyone can go to a TLM).

You could simply not read the threads that don’t suit your needs, which is totally fine. But I think the OP was not doing anything wrong in posting his/her concerns.
 
Myqyl said:
Perhaps I misunderstood the OP, but my impression was that the preist was PRAISING the actions of his dead friend, not gossiping about him… I saw it more as a “You should have meet this guy… He was so filled with the Holy Spirit and really made a difference…”

But as always : I could be wrong…

God bless
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I re-read it and think you are right. I think I confused the OP’s opinion with the priest’s.
 
TimothyH said:
Why would you want to see what is going on around you? The Mass is not about you, you know. Your focus should be on Jesus, not on what is going on around you. To the extent that spectacles, contact lenses or other vision aids take our focus away from Jesus and place our focus on what is going on around us, they are completely counter to the spirit and purpose of the liturgy.

:rolleyes: Wooo…

-Tim-
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Good one!! If they start allowing spectacles, next thing you know, people will want to start holding hands at the Lord’s Prayer – and we know how much THAT takes the focus off Jesus …
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Good one!! If they start allowing spectacles, next thing you know, people will want to start holding hands at the Lord’s Prayer – and we know how much THAT takes the focus off Jesus …
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You know, I was thinking about the guy who said he goes to the Mass and stares at the wall because he is too annoyed at what’s going on to look at the Mass itself.

Maybe we are on to something…



-Tim-
 
clem456 said:
That is absolutely hilarious.
With hands stuffed inside jacket sleeves so no one can LATCH ON TO THEM WITHOUT HIS CONSENT!!!
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So I’m way off topic and about to get an infraction for mocking someone’s religion. I’m outa here. You didn’t see anything.

:whistle:

-?-
 
Myqyl said:
It sounds to me like any spectacle was “before” Mass. I didn’t hear anything about riding “during” Mass or light shows “during” Mass. Riding a motorcycle into the Church sounds a little over the top, but i try not to judge without knowing all the facts. I’ve seen several places around the world where the Church is not a structure that most western people think of as a Church… It “may” have been more appropriate than it sounds.

As per the short skirt, I agree with the priest in question 100%… There are religions that say a woman sin if a man looks at them with lust in his heart. Jesus made it clear where the sin actually lies… Women should NEVER have to wear burkas (spelling) to Mass so that some guy doesn’t get all excited looking at a leg. It’s the job of the man in question to conquer the lust in their own heart. And I say that as a man that struggles with that sin. But i recognize the sin for what it is… MY problem, not the woman in a short skirt.

God bless.
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actually the problem and sin is for both the guy and the girl. It may even be mortal if the lady dressed less to get the guy.
Ubenedictus
 
Myqyl said:
Three more pages into the thread the preist will be riding into the Santuary while wearing a mini skirt… 🙂 It’s a good thing God wrote the Scriptures before forums existed 🙂
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Or He has a off-the-wall sense of humer.
 
As usual, Audio Sancto has a perfectly themed homily for this discussion.

Charity and Scandal

The message basically is this: Once you learn that a certain person has a particular weakness, you are guilty of scandal if you don’t fix the problem. And if the danger you put him in is the danger of mortal sin, then you are guilty of mortal sin yourself by putting him in danger. There is discussion of accidental verses deliberate near occasion of sin, and pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable vs what is truly charitable. A woman can wear a skin-tight long sleeved shirt and technically be following the letter of modesty, but the nature of the shirt could be an occasion of sin and she should be aware of that. To use the excuse of “well, if they sin, that’s their fault not mine” is not taking responsibility for ones actions. If wearing a longer skirt will keep a man from sinning, then women, wear a longer skirt! The priest also uses the analogy that you may be driving the speed limit, and that is perfectly legal, but to do so in the fast lane during rush hour is going to cause many people behind you to fall into the sin of anger. It is a much more charitable thing to simply pull over into the right lane and let them drive faster.

Along the same lines, many women’s weakness is overly flattering words from men, and men should be very conscious of this type of weakness and be kind without being overly attentive so as to stir up the occasion of sin for a woman. Many women’s hearts have been scandalized by well-meaning but overly flirtatious men becoming too familiar with them in conversation and time spent together. The men may have no intention of causing scandal, but due to the nature of women’s hearts, they become an unintentional near occasion of sin. Being conscious of this weakness is the most charitable action that can be taken in the situation.
 
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