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myfavoritmartin
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2 cor 11:
14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.
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14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.
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George_Craft
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Martin (I hope this form of adress isn’t an insult, my typing skills are weak at best
)I would love nothing more than to continue this discussion with you, but I have to leave for work right now. May we continue it at a later time, please? This is how we grow, discussion and learning from other. I think this discussion could develop into something truly edifying.
With love,
George
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myfavoritmartin
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Well now! following right along with the thread there Mike!
Good job!
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myfavoritmartin
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Surely, George. If damascus doesn’t get me kicked off.Martin (I hope this form of adress isn’t an insult, my typing skills are weak at best
I would love nothing more than to continue this discussion with you, but I have to leave for work right now. May we continue it at a later time, please? This is how we grow, discussion and learning from other. I think this discussion could develop into something truly edifying.
With love,
George
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Tantum_ergo
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If Mary is such a stumbling block, why is it that even the leaders of the Protestant Reformation had no difficulty whatsoever in according to her more honor than some (not all) Protestant posters here?
Again, Martin, I recommend that you read St. Louis De Montfort’s “True Devotion to Mary”. Start with Chapter III, Article One “False Devotion to the Blessed Virgin and False Devotees”. II Scrupulous Devotees: . . .“are those who fear to dishonor the son by honoring the mother, to abase the one in elevating the other. They cannot bear that we should attribute to Our Lady the most just praise which the holy Fathers have given her. … as if the one were contrary to the other, as if those who prayed to our Blessed Lady did not pray to Jesus Christ through her. . . .for the more we honor the Blessed Virgin, the more we honor Jesus Christ, because we honor Mary only that we may the more perfectly honor Jesus, since we go to her only as the way by which we are to find the end we are seeking, which is Jesus.”
It is, in fact, a more humble devotion, to ask our Lady’s help in approaching Jesus, than it is to approach Jesus “on our own.” Of course we can, but we know well that our Lord looks for us to be ‘meek and humble of heart’, and that he humbles the proud and exalts the lowly.
Especially in these times of pride and superiority, with everyone ‘presuming’, and with few even believing that sin exists, and assuming that they are ‘worthy’ of heaven, it seems to me that more people need a good heavy solid dose of humility, obedience, and dependence on Christ. He chose Mary not just ‘for one time’ as His Mother but for all time. What makes you think that her motherhood ‘ceased’ in 33 AD? Why would she be any less His Mother? Why would we want to deny her and think that it would please God, anymore than it would please you, should you accomplish something worthy, to be told that not only did your mother not have any part, even it was just acknowledging that she gave you birth (no credit even for her care of you as a mother, or the fact that it was probably due to her teaching and care that you were able to develop your talents), but that you would be told even worse–that she was a terrible mother, that she was “taking away credit from you” just by existing, etc.?
Again, Martin, I recommend that you read St. Louis De Montfort’s “True Devotion to Mary”. Start with Chapter III, Article One “False Devotion to the Blessed Virgin and False Devotees”. II Scrupulous Devotees: . . .“are those who fear to dishonor the son by honoring the mother, to abase the one in elevating the other. They cannot bear that we should attribute to Our Lady the most just praise which the holy Fathers have given her. … as if the one were contrary to the other, as if those who prayed to our Blessed Lady did not pray to Jesus Christ through her. . . .for the more we honor the Blessed Virgin, the more we honor Jesus Christ, because we honor Mary only that we may the more perfectly honor Jesus, since we go to her only as the way by which we are to find the end we are seeking, which is Jesus.”
It is, in fact, a more humble devotion, to ask our Lady’s help in approaching Jesus, than it is to approach Jesus “on our own.” Of course we can, but we know well that our Lord looks for us to be ‘meek and humble of heart’, and that he humbles the proud and exalts the lowly.
Especially in these times of pride and superiority, with everyone ‘presuming’, and with few even believing that sin exists, and assuming that they are ‘worthy’ of heaven, it seems to me that more people need a good heavy solid dose of humility, obedience, and dependence on Christ. He chose Mary not just ‘for one time’ as His Mother but for all time. What makes you think that her motherhood ‘ceased’ in 33 AD? Why would she be any less His Mother? Why would we want to deny her and think that it would please God, anymore than it would please you, should you accomplish something worthy, to be told that not only did your mother not have any part, even it was just acknowledging that she gave you birth (no credit even for her care of you as a mother, or the fact that it was probably due to her teaching and care that you were able to develop your talents), but that you would be told even worse–that she was a terrible mother, that she was “taking away credit from you” just by existing, etc.?
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mikeledes
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Thank You. What I said fits perfectly with the topic. I trust what the Catholic Church teaches on Mary because it is the Church entrusted with the Truth by God Himself in the from of His Word and the one He promised would never be ovecome by the gates of hell and would be the pillar and foundation of truth. If Protestants can’t figure out among themselves what the Bible means, I’m going to trust what they tell me on Mary?
God Bless and Merry Christmas,
Michael
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myfavoritmartin
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Prove it! that what the RCC teaches of Mary was an oral tradition known since the beginning handed down from the apostles.
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Valke2
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I’d say that a Jew shouldn’t be referring to her that way. Especially as it is not necessary in order to speak about her respectfully.
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netmilsmom
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It’s not anyone’s opinion about forum rules, it’s fact.
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Now maybe you would like to retract the Satan statement before any more people report you for being disrespectful of the faith of Catholics.
All of us are guests here. Please have some class.
And remember, no one gets you tossed but you.
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Valke2
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If she’s a religous jew, she’s already been led there
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myfavoritmartin
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Mary is not the gate! Christ is!.
Mary is not the mediator! Christ is!
Mary is not the way to the Father! Christ is!
**It’s all there in the bible! **clear as day! I suggest all should read it.
A humble devotion? Christ says when you pray pray like this…
Our Father…Not our Mother.
I am going to look and see how many times Christ said come to me, and then count how many times people refer people to Mary…
BRB should take long.
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myfavoritmartin
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I’m not being disrespectful! I am stating my POV, I didn’t praying to her was satanic. Go reread it.
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Damascus
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I highlighted post 34 for you- you can re-read it.
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mikeledes
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There are plenty of articles in this website that you can look at. But, based on prior experience, I don’t know if listing evidence will be of any good. I know one thing. Every Catholic teaching on Mary preexisted by centuries the teachings of Protestantism. So prove to me that the variant of Protestantism you belong to, since there are so many, is the same faith handed down from the apostles. While you do that, explain why is there a gap of over a thousand years between the asecnsion of Christ and Martin Luther, a man that believed in the perpetual vitginity of Mary and referred to her as the Mother of God. Unfortunately, this cannot be done in this thread.
God Bless,
Michael
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estesbob
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Mary a work of Satan? Are you Mormon? I know Mormons believe Jesus is the brother of Satan so i guess, in your opinion, that would make Mary the Mother of Satan? Kind of suprising to see you embracing Mormon doctrine but then when one rejects the One True Church they are prone to buy into all sorts of fallacies.
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myfavoritmartin
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The edit button is gone, sorry guess I can’t retract.
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mikeledes
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Mary prays for us to her Son. Her Son is the Mediator, Gate, and Way to the Father. Can I pray directly to Jesus? Sure I can! But I can also ask Mary to pray for me and in that sense I go through her to Jesus.
God Bless,
Michael
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Damascus
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You can type up a whole new post apologizing for the comment and retract it. You also can ignore it and, well- take your chances with the Mods.
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myfavoritmartin
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I didn’t say Mary herself was a work of satan I gave my opinion on the elevation of the Catholic Mary.
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myfavoritmartin
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If stating My opinion offended anyone, I apologize and ask your forgiveness.
Sincerely,
Simon
Sincerely,
Simon
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