There is nothing to indicate that. It says ‘break bread’ which means to eat. If it is the Eucharist then why does he only give reference to his Body [bread] and not to His Blood [wine] as well?
Most likely for the same reason someone would say “lets go out to eat” instead of “lets go out to eat and drink.”
THAT is why you need to look at the Constant teaching of the Church and Her Fathers. The Early Christians, without a doubt, believed in the Eucharist, BEFORE the New Testament canon was even put together, but that is a another discussion altogether.
Jesus says BOTH. He institutes the Eucharist at the last supper
We know what Jesus did.
I like this.
Again, how? Because of the Scriptures. Well, just who put the canon of Scriptures together? On whose authority? What did the first generations of Christians do before the Bible canon was cemented? (Edited to remain on topic)
The Holy Spirit.
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will take what is God’s and give it to us. I believe He did it in God’s authority. Do you?
What do you think they did? They had the apostles and the Holy Spirit and Scriptures, in the same way we have the Bible (Scriptures), pastors or teachers and the Holy Spirit. But not all have equal authority. A pastor does not have the same authority as the Bible or Holy Spirit, but they teach and do have a certain level of authority.
Been sick with the stomach flu for a few days…
Glad you got better…
Because Jesus said that we will be with Him in person at the end of this age, not when we die. So this practically destroys every doctrine of saints being in heaven, etc. and also praying to the saints.
That does not prove anything. The Orthodox Church also has this, but does it agree completely with the Catholic Church? No. Since they both have apostolic succession, which one is the right one? Hard to know. I think neither, but this is my opinion.
Well… I don’t know about the rest of Protestants (I’m not defending the whole Protestantism here), but my Church is not based on history, but on the bible, which is more than a history book.
Yes I did.
During the “fifth seal,” John “saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood.” This scene is symbolic, representing the martyrs who died for their steadfast faith in Jesus Christ. God said to Cain after he murdered his brother Abel, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries unto me from the ground.” Genesis 4:10. These words parallel what John saw in Revelation 6. The blood of Abel did not literally cry out from the ground. Neither are there actual souls underneath a real altar in heaven. The “souls under the altar” scene occurs right after “the fourth seal” scene. There “Hell” is seen following “a pale horse” ridden by “Death.” Revelation 6:7-8. Again, this is obviously symbolic and refers to those martyred for their faith and whose deaths cry out to God for just retribution. Those slain are represented as being told to “wait” for God’s judgment and their future reward at the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Moses and Elijah were in Heaven. On the mount of transfiguration, “two men … Moses and Elias … appeared in glory.” These where not spirits or disembodied souls, but “two men.” Elijah never died. He was translated without seeing death. 2 Kings 2:11. Moses “died” and was “buried.” Deuteronomy 34:5-6 Yet the book of Jude reveals that Michael came from heaven and, “contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses.” Jude 1:9. Moses was also raised, that’s why the devil protested. Then Michael said, “the Lord rebuke thee.” Hence it was a living, resurrected Moses and a living, translated Elijah that appeared on the mount. Immediately prior to this appearance, Jesus told his disciples that they would soon “see the kingdom of God.” Luke 9:27. On the mount they saw God’s kingdom in miniature. Jesus was there, so was Moses (representing all resurrected saints), and Elijah (representing all translated saints at the Second Coming).
It is still to be seen if the Catholic Church is the Church of God.
I never actually read that passage. Perhaps there is one somewhere. Can you please quote it for me?
How do you know I don’t do that? Of course, it also depends on what you mean by ‘Eucharist’.
I go to Confession. I confess to my High Priest daily. I know you mean confession to priests, but I to that as well: I confess to my High Priest, which is greater than a priest.
Unity is good, but God never told us to give away truth for the love of unity. Also, my Church is quite united.
How do you know I don’t?
No, but as I said, it is still left to be seen if the Catholic Church is the Church of God and we decide that by the sword.
Looks like I learned a new thing today. Thank you. But my other question is: why?
Why? Because only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have preserved Apostolic Succession. They can trace their Bishops, by succession all the way back to the Apostles, who were commanded, and given the Authority by our Lord, to celebrate the Eucharist. As for confession, if you want to confess to God directly, why did Jesus even bother to give his Apostles the Authority to forgive sins in/through Jesus? Would you suggest that was a superfluous action? Really, think about it. Why did He do that? Again, every bit of Early Christian writing testifies to the fact that people confessed their sins to the Apostles and their successors. That ties into your comments on Revelation. As is evident here, people, when left to themselves and the Scriptures, will come up with a million different interpretations. That is not what God wants. God wants us to know clearly what the Truth is. Remember the story of Philip and the Eunuch? When the eunuch was asked if he read the Scriptures, he responds, “I have, but how can I understand without someone to explain their meaning?” It was an Apostle who had the Authority to clearly teach that explained it to him. It is very naive and foolish to think that Jesus would leave his followers to interpret willy-nilly the Scriptures on their own and then “wait for the sword” to determine which Church is true. Nonsense. If I may ask, what sect are you?
And yet, even though they have apostolic succession, these two churches disagree with each other.
A valiant effort, but even the Off Topic thread is Off Topic, having drifted rapidly into Apostolic Succession. . . .
That’s not accurate. I would urge you to check out this link which explains the different rites of the Church. Some orthodox churches are not in communion with the Pope whereas some splits have been healed. But different rites have the same essence of the sacraments, and that does does not mean that cultural differences create a disagreement. Getting back on track,