Have you studied church history or catholic doctrines such as the marian doctrines, purgatory and indulgences? Keep in mind that if you convert to catholicism you will be embracing a lot of doctrines and practices not taught by Jesus or His apostles.
Indeed, if you had read the book he mentioned, Surprised by Truth, by Patrick Madrid, you would understand how many (including myself) overcame these doctrinal hurdles – by the understanding and acceptance of Apostolic Authority, which is something Christ Jesus did teach very clearly, and something his aposltes most certainly practiced.
I’m sure the OP is well aware of what the Catholic* Church* teaches about all of the above and more. That would be why they are coming back to the Faith.
ja4, it is not accurate to say that things were not taught by Jesus and the Apostles just because you cannot find them in your Bible. You are reflecting a very limited Sola Scriptura belief and attitude that even you don’t follow faithfully. Apparently you do not have enough trust in God that He can do what He promises to do, and that is why you believe that the Church did not preserve His teachings in their entirety. The Church did preserve them, by the power of the HS, and some of these teachings were committed to writing.
You are greatly mistaken about what the scope of what Jesus and His apostles taught. All that we know what they taught can only be found in the written inspired-inerrant text of what we call the New Testament. The church did not preserve nor did God anything that they taught outside the canon of Scripture. To say that there is more and not to present what exactly this “other teachings” is to promote myths. This is what Mormons do with their “extra books” i.e. The Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants. These are supposedly further revelations of Jesus Christ.
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Can you show a couple of examples where Jesus based His teachings on tradition?You might also consider that Jesus never once taught, and neither did his apostles practice, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura – “Scripture Alone.” So by your own standard, it’s a rather dangerous doctrine, don’t you think?
it is SOLA Scriptura not ULTIMA Scriptura. The Catholic Church DOES accept Scripture as the ULTIMATE authority along with Tradition and Magisterium. But Scripture is not the ONLY (SOLA) authority.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceedeth out of the mouth of God… JesusIndeed, if you had read the book he mentioned, Surprised by Truth, by Patrick Madrid, you would understand how many (including myself) overcame these doctrinal hurdles – by the understanding and acceptance of Apostolic Authority, which is something Christ Jesus did teach very clearly, and something his aposltes most certainly practiced.
You might also consider that Jesus never once taught, and neither did his apostles practice, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura – “Scripture Alone.” So by your own standard, it’s a rather dangerous doctrine, don’t you think?
You are new to the forums. Welcome! We have a rule about keeping a thread on topic. So this is not the proper place to have that discussion. Rather, this is a thread for those of us who have already converted to Catholicism, or are in the process of doing so, to share how we arrived here and what books we read that helped us along the journey.
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Yes.
No. Many things declare God’s truth–nature for instance. That’s also in the Bible, you know.
Which is precisely what the Catholic Church has upheld for 2000 years. Our bishops got their authority to teach the doctrines of the apostles from the the apostles, in the laying on of hands.
A good deal of it, certainly, but not all. You need to read about the history of the early Church councils starting in Acts. They had to decide matters of faith and morals not explicitly written down by the authors of the Bible, things such as circumcision, the teaching about the Trinity, the teaching about the nature of Christ, etc. You really should read the Church Fathers, too.
I don’t think the off topic police are going to flog you for making a helpful statement, I was just about ready to post a new thread in regards to the Holy Spirit, just to see how this group fares on the matter.
I didn’t see any theolocical reflection. For example, did you study at all the doctrines of the catholic church? Did you talk with anyone in leadership before you left to go the catholic church?
Have you studied the doctrines of the catholic church? Doctrines such as purgatory, praying to the saints? Have you asked how a catholic is saved and what he-she must do to maintain salvation?
Actually, there was much “theological reflection.” As I said, this was one of the many things that led me home to the Catholic* Church*. And what leadership are you suggesting? The nonexistent one in the protestant world? To be honest, what you think of my conversion is none of my concern. I posted it to share it with my fellow brothers and sisters in the Catholic faith, who have had similar experiences and know where I am coming from. I’m sure you have the best of intentions, but I find your questioning of my faith and the faith of others very offensive.
Actually, it is your misinterpretation of scripture (due to your lack of any authentic Teaching in Protestantism) that leads you to your erroneous misunderstanding of Catholicism. Also, with correct understanding, you’d discover the every thing the Catholic Church teaches and practices are in perfect concert with Jesus and the Apostles because they are from Jesus and the Apostles.
If only what you say were true.
It is true. Look into it for yourself and you’ll see that it is. Read the Church Fathers.