SPLIT: From Fatima...Images & the Salvation of Catholics

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Eden said:
The DVD is not the Word of God. It is the production of men. Quoting from the Word of God does not make the DVD equivalent to the Word of God. It sounds like you believe that it does.
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I think if you’ve never seen it, it might be hard to make an accurate judgement on it. What do you think?
 
newbie1234 said:
When did I trash you?
If I did I’m sorry.
It is pretty tough answering 5 different people at the same time, many with links to all different sites. All I want to use is the Bible.I ask for scriptural references to support your position. I don’t think I’m asking too much.
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You’ve had plenty of scripture passages to ruminate on from this thread I should think, and if you read the links you will get plenty more - they all refer extensively to scripture. Don’t come back until you’ve read at least the scripture contained therein.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Does does sound like the Work of Satan?

“O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who have most need of your mercy.” It’s from that Fatima message.
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Watch the dvd then you can trash it.
 
Jesus said He came to fulfill not destroy what was in the Old Testament.
Each of the sacraments are alluded to in the Old Testament and fulfilled in the new.

Circumcision was required in the Old fullfilled in the new with Baptism. They cicumcised children at birth it makes sense that this would continue.
The high priest placed his hands on the head of the goat and confessed the sins of the people of Israel. Fulfilled in the new by the hands of the priest who acting in Jesus’ stead forgives sins just as Jesus forgave while on earth.
The Passover fulfilled in the Eucharist

You don’t have to ask for Mary or the Saints to pray with you but why wouldn’t you want all the help you could get.
Jesus’ first miracle was at the request of His mother.
 
I looked up the credits for the DVD to see if it was produced by God, and I found that it was produced by Jim Tetlow. I think it is dangerous to begin to put Jim Tetlow on the same level as God. This DVD may use quotes from the Word of God, but it is not inspired.

Apparently, there is some controversy as to the English translation Bible which is quoted in the DVD. As one site warns:

One word of caution to our readers. Tetlow uses the New King James Version for his scripture texts. While we certainly wish he had used the Authorized King James Version for its perfect accuracy, we believe this DVD has such a great message that we are making it available anyway.
http://bookshop.biblebelievers.com/...believers.com/templates/1/images/clear1x1.gif
 
newbie1234 said:
I think if you’ve never seen it, it might be hard to make an accurate judgement on it. What do you think?
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If you said all you need is the Bible, what is the point of having the DVD for? :rolleyes:

Sounds like you got brainwashed by the guy who produced the DVD before coming to the forums.
 
Eden said:
I know that you are unwilling to read the list of 300 places in which the New Testament quotes the Deuterocanonicals which I linked to because it does not support your position that the non-denominational movement is legitimate.
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At one level, this type of behavior is denial. At another, it is a demonic deception.
 
Randy_Carson said:
What exactly are you looking for?

There are biblical references to the three persons of the Godhead. Several times in the New Testament we see all three persons mentioned together. Two of the most popular Trinity supporting passages are:

Matthew 5
16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Matthew 28
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Here is how the historic Christian leaders viewed this truth:
110 AD. Ignatius of Antioch wrote,
“Wherefore also the Lord, when He sent forth the apostles to make disciples of all nations, commanded them to “baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,” not unto one [person] having three names, nor into three [persons] who became incarnate, but into three possessed of equal honour.” (Letter to the Philadelphians, 2)
In Matthew 5 we see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together and distinct. Matthew 28 commands us to make disciples and baptize them in the name of the Triune God. In Titus we are given the same picture that we have in Matthew. Look at Titus 3:
4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

The kindness and love of God appeared, we are renewed by the Holy Spirit who is poured out on us through Jesus Christ.

Oops! There was an Early Church Father in there. But that’s the point…the Church developed its understanding of the Trinity over time. The Bible only gives us the basis for the doctrine. Frankly, I think you’d have a hard time coming up with “one God, three persons” and “the Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son” apart from the core theology given to you by the Catholic Church.
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If you read post 317 you will see that I already list five or six biblical support references for the trinity doctrine. And
I did’t reference sacred tradition or early church fathers once.
 
newbie1234 said:
When did I trash you?
If I did I’m sorry.
It is pretty tough answering 5 different people at the same time, many with links to all different sites. All I want to use is the Bible.I ask for scriptural references to support your position. I don’t think I’m asking too much.
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Yet you want us to watch a video:rolleyes: for proof.
 
water said:
It is basically you come here - Unprepared, showing lack of knowledge about Catholic, bad assumptions after assumptions - yet you are acting as if you do know. When people give your resources to read - not just today but ever since you posted here - you ignore it.

Is this how you come about evangelize? :rolleyes:
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I’m not evangelizing, you are immovable. I’m learning from you
 
Eden said:
That is what I am trying to understand. Who* is* Jim Tetlow?
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Did a quick search on Jim Tetlow? The first one came up about “Catholic worshiping Mary”.

That is exactly how Newbie came here and his first post is Catholic worshiping Mary.

How a DVD could mislead Newbie?:eek:
 
newbie1234 said:
I think if you’ve never seen it, it might be hard to make an accurate judgement on it. What do you think?
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You may be a newbie, but all of that anti-Catholic rhetoric is old hat.

We don’t have to see the DVD to know what it says - it’s just the latest media presentation of the same old same old.

One more thought on this…you may not have considered that many of us here are CONVERTS to the Catholic Church from fellowships just like yours. We’ve been there, done that, got that WWJD t-shirt.

Keep at it, though. You may join us sooner than you think.
 
water said:
I’ve noticed it since yesterday.
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Right now on this thread there are about 15 post that I haven’t even seen yet. I can’t read them all answer them all, check out all the links, download programs. you would be waiting an hour for a response. Sorry. I’m only one agaist five.If I am not satisfying you, don’t post here.
 
Randy_Carson said:
You may be a newbie, but all of that anti-Catholic rhetoric is old hat.

We don’t have to see the DVD to know what it says - it’s just the latest media presentation of the same old same old.

One more thought on this…you may not have considered that many of us here are CONVERTS to the Catholic Church from fellowships just like yours. We’ve been there, done that, got that WWJD t-shirt.

Keep at it, though. You may join us sooner than you think.
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Ok maybe I’ll see you at sunday night bingo someday
 
Off the topic, I have noticed a lot of Anti-Catholic material posted in YouTube and the Web as whole by Evangelical Christians; who are extremely Anti-Catholic in their zeal. Any Catholic who is poorly catechized will be lost and will join those Evangelicals in heart beat.

I truly believe we need to increase the Catholic Renewal Program, and teach our Catholics about what we truly believe. They should know at least the basics about Catholicism.

Otherwise, you’ll have Catholics end up like newbie.
 
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