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newbie1234
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I don’t know if I’m inspired by the dvd.
You watch dvd’s don’t you. Are any of the ones you watch produced by God? If so please give me the titles.
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You watch dvd’s don’t you. Are any of the ones you watch produced by God? If so please give me the titles.
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Randy_Carson
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Great! If I had taken the time to get out my Hebrew-Greek interlinear, my Vines, my Strongs, and my Jamieson Fausset Brown commentary (all three volumes), I could have done the same. But what’s the point of your question? That I don’t understand a little something about the Trinity? Sheesh, I hit the highlights. You’re already overwhelmed and you wanted more?
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water
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I have to give you credit for trying to change the subject!
It is you who said all you need was the Bible - yet you watched the DVD who had no clue about the Catholic church.
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newbie1234
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jn13:20 how do you know Jesus didn’t send me to you.
ot was written on scrolls and septuagint 200 yrs before Jesus
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Mannyfit75
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Which would you go for the DVD, or the Bible?
We Catholics got the Bible, so I assumed the DVD.
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LilyM
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You mean the biblical canon which was set at the Catholic Councils of Hippo and Carthage in the 300s and included the Deuterocanonical books? Which, as you have been shown, are referenced in the Gospels themselves, so what gives you or anyone else the right to dismiss them out of hand is beyond me?
Be that as it may, you have been given plenty of Biblical text to chew over. If you really want to serve the Lord and do us a courtesy as well, then take the time to start chewing before you respond again.
And please don’t keep calling Fatima the work of Satan. Quite possibly it’s not a genuine apparition of Mary. Even church approval of it does NOT mean that it necessarily is.
However, not even inauthentic apparitions of Christ or Mary are necessarily from the evil one - they can be the natural result of mental or physical stresses or disorders, or simply the result of people being mistaken. Not Satanic at all.
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water
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we are glad Jesus send you to us in hope that you understand better about your truth Church and that you don’t give any bad assumption about your mother’s devotion, and …someday you will realize ‘where have I been for the last decade’?
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lak611
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Because the DVD was not given or produced by God, you are erroneous in believing it and not the doctrines of the Church which was given to us by God.
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Mannyfit75
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The Septuagint was written in 6 to 1 B.C. Jesus was born around 5 B.C; though the exact date of his birth is not certain.
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Eden
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I was able to find 10 minutes of the video at YouTube:
youtube.com/watch?v=AnZIU4g6IHM
I watched the first 5 and 1/2 minutes before I had had enough.
Firstly, the video says that “apparitions are appearing everywhere” but makes no attempt to draw a distinction between approved apparitions and those that are not. It also does not cite the process by which the Church investigates and approves or does not approve an apparition.
A process, ironically, which is similar to the process by which the Canon was discerned by the Catholic Church.
Secondly, the video shows images, makes references to, quotes from and has men giving commentary about only three apparitions within the 5 and 1/2 minutes that I watched. What were the apparitions discussed? “Our Lady of Betania - Venezuela”, Medjugorje and “Our Lady of All Nations”. None of these apparitions have been approved by the Church.
So, what are we to believe about the producers of this video? They mark themselves immediately as propagandists and dishonest men, since they chose to hinge their arguments against the Church based on apparitions that do not have the approval of the Church. They are either incredibly ignorant or incredibly dishonest.
The film moves into the argument that these apparitions are from satan. They then quote 1 Tim. 2:5 and Hebrews regarding one mediator, among other passages.
While these apparitions have not been approved, and as such, I’m not here to defend or explain them. I’m going to look at the film’s understanding of Christ as sole mediator. Apparently, the producer of this film is not aware of the fact that the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. There is no contradiction in this teaching and the teaching that God desires and responds to subordinate intercession/intercessory prayer. Examples of subordinate mediation/intercessory prayer are found in many places in the Bible, for instance: Matt. 5:44-45, Rom. 15:30, Eph. 6:18, Phil. 1:19, 1 Thess. 5:25 and many more. Protestants believe in intercessory prayer, too. Otherwise, they would never ask any to pray for them.
So, this DVD is a video form of the already-familiar Protestant arguments against the Church and the teachings about Mary. It was the same inaccurate and dishonest portrayal of Catholicism. Sorry, newbie. Nothing new here.
But I’m glad I watched. The YouTube page had links to some of Fr. Corapi’s videos. I didn’t know he was on YouTube. I’ll have to check those out. Now there are videos worth watching.
youtube.com/watch?v=AnZIU4g6IHM
I watched the first 5 and 1/2 minutes before I had had enough.
Firstly, the video says that “apparitions are appearing everywhere” but makes no attempt to draw a distinction between approved apparitions and those that are not. It also does not cite the process by which the Church investigates and approves or does not approve an apparition.
A process, ironically, which is similar to the process by which the Canon was discerned by the Catholic Church.
Secondly, the video shows images, makes references to, quotes from and has men giving commentary about only three apparitions within the 5 and 1/2 minutes that I watched. What were the apparitions discussed? “Our Lady of Betania - Venezuela”, Medjugorje and “Our Lady of All Nations”. None of these apparitions have been approved by the Church.
So, what are we to believe about the producers of this video? They mark themselves immediately as propagandists and dishonest men, since they chose to hinge their arguments against the Church based on apparitions that do not have the approval of the Church. They are either incredibly ignorant or incredibly dishonest.
The film moves into the argument that these apparitions are from satan. They then quote 1 Tim. 2:5 and Hebrews regarding one mediator, among other passages.
While these apparitions have not been approved, and as such, I’m not here to defend or explain them. I’m going to look at the film’s understanding of Christ as sole mediator. Apparently, the producer of this film is not aware of the fact that the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. There is no contradiction in this teaching and the teaching that God desires and responds to subordinate intercession/intercessory prayer. Examples of subordinate mediation/intercessory prayer are found in many places in the Bible, for instance: Matt. 5:44-45, Rom. 15:30, Eph. 6:18, Phil. 1:19, 1 Thess. 5:25 and many more. Protestants believe in intercessory prayer, too. Otherwise, they would never ask any to pray for them.
So, this DVD is a video form of the already-familiar Protestant arguments against the Church and the teachings about Mary. It was the same inaccurate and dishonest portrayal of Catholicism. Sorry, newbie. Nothing new here.
But I’m glad I watched. The YouTube page had links to some of Fr. Corapi’s videos. I didn’t know he was on YouTube. I’ll have to check those out. Now there are videos worth watching.
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Randy_Carson
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But the Lutheran pastor is relying solely on the Word of God for his understanding of baptism.
Isn’t the scripture plain enough in its meaning that there should be no misunderstanding or misinterpretation?
Shouldn’t anyone be able to sit down with his Bible alone and come to proper conclusions about matters of faith and morals?
The Lutheran has it all wrong…how can this be?
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newbie1234
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The point of the question is that I did not have to know sacred tradition to know about or prove the trinity doctrine. That is what the whole discussion was about from the beginning if you read posts prior to 317 you’ll see that was what it was about. My point is that we can use the bible to prove trinity doc. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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adrift
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How do you know for sure?
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Mannyfit75
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That’s the same video I watched on Google Videos!I was able to find 10 minutes of the video at YouTube:
youtube.com/watch?v=AnZIU4g6IHM
I watched the first 5 and 1/2 minutes before I had had enough.
Firstly, the video says that “apparitions are appearing everywhere” but makes no attempt to draw a distinction between approved apparitions and those that are not. It also does not cite the process by which the Church investigates and approves or does not approve an apparition.
A process, ironically, which is similar to the process by which the Canon was discerned by the Catholic Church.
Secondly, the video shows images, makes references to, quotes from and has men giving commentary about only three apparitions within the 5 and 1/2 minutes that I watched. What were the apparitions discussed? “Our Lady of Betania - Venezuela”, Medjugorje and “Our Lady of All Nations”. None of these apparitions have been approved by the Church.
So, what are we to believe about the producers of this video? They mark themselves immediately as propagandists and dishonest men, since they chose to hinge their arguments against the Church based on apparitions that do not have the approval of the Church. They are either incredibly ignorant or incredibly dishonest.
The film moves into the argument that these apparitions are from satan. They then quote 1 Tim. 2:5 and Hebrews regarding one mediator, among other passages.
While these apparitions have not been approved, and as such, I’m not here to defend or explain them. I’m going to look at the film’s understanding of Christ as sole mediator. Apparently, the producer of this film is not aware of the fact that the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. There is no contradiction in this teaching and the teaching that God desires and responds to subordinate intercession/intercessory prayer. Examples of subordinate mediation/intercessory prayer are found in many places in the Bible, for instance: Matt. 5:44-45, Rom. 15:30, Eph. 6:18, Phil. 1:19, 1 Thess. 5:25 and many more. Protestants believe in intercessory prayer, too. Otherwise, they would never ask any to pray for them.
So, this DVD is a video form of the already-familiar Protestant arguments against the Church and the teachings about Mary. It was the same inaccurate and dishonest portrayal of Catholicism. Sorry, newbie. Nothing new here.
But I’m glad I watched. The YouTube page had links to some of Fr. Corapi’s videos. I didn’t know he was on YouTube. I’ll have to check those out. Now there are videos worth watching.
I thank God for getting me into Catholic Apologists. Had I been an uninformed Catholic, I would be a lost sheep.
The video itself is very typical Protestant Propaganda against the Church.
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Eden
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I forgot to mention that the video also stated that we must test all spirits with the Word of God. The apparitions that they were testing in the video, as I have mentioned, were not approved by the Church. They didn’t show anyone testing the prayer of Mary at Fatima against the Word of God. Newbie has said the apparition at Fatima was from satan. If that is the case, I find it odd that satan disguised as the Blessed Virgin urged everyone to pray the following:
The Fatima Prayer
O my Jesus
Forgive us ours sins,
save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.
The Fatima Prayer
O my Jesus
Forgive us ours sins,
save us from the fires of Hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.
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newbie1234
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Can a baby understand sin?
He can’t. So he can’t believe.So he doesn’t have to be baptized.What is so hard to understand?
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water
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**I bumped this post and said that I would go watch a DVD 
- actually a movie, put a stop here for now and allow newbie some time to soak in what we have written. This will give him no excuse that he has no time to read.
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- actually a movie, put a stop here for now and allow newbie some time to soak in what we have written. This will give him no excuse that he has no time to read.**
I was able to find 10 minutes of the video at YouTube:
youtube.com/watch?v=AnZIU4g6IHM
I watched the first 5 and 1/2 minutes before I had had enough.
Firstly, the video says that “apparitions are appearing everywhere” but makes no attempt to draw a distinction between approved apparitions and those that are not. It also does not cite the process by which the Church investigates and approves or does not approve an apparition.
A process, ironically, which is similar to the process by which the Canon was discerned by the Catholic Church.
Secondly, the video shows images, makes references to, quotes from and has men giving commentary about only three apparitions within the 5 and 1/2 minutes that I watched. What were the apparitions discussed? “Our Lady of Betania - Venezuela”, Medjugorje and “Our Lady of All Nations”. None of these apparitions have been approved by the Church.
So, what are we to believe about the producers of this video? They mark themselves immediately as propagandists and dishonest men, since they chose to hinge their arguments against the Church based on apparitions that do not have the approval of the Church. They are either incredibly ignorant or incredibly dishonest.
The film moves into the argument that these apparitions are from satan. They then quote 1 Tim. 2:5 and Hebrews regarding one mediator, among other passages.
While these apparitions have not been approved, and as such, I’m not here to defend or explain them. I’m going to look at the film’s understanding of Christ as sole mediator. Apparently, the producer of this film is not aware of the fact that the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. There is no contradiction in this teaching and the teaching that God desires and responds to subordinate intercession/intercessory prayer. Examples of subordinate mediation/intercessory prayer are found in many places in the Bible, for instance: Matt. 5:44-45, Rom. 15:30, Eph. 6:18, Phil. 1:19, 1 Thess. 5:25 and many more. Protestants believe in intercessory prayer, too. Otherwise, they would never ask any to pray for them.
So, this DVD is a video form of the already-familiar Protestant arguments against the Church and the teachings about Mary. It was the same inaccurate and dishonest portrayal of Catholicism. Sorry, newbie. Nothing new here.
But I’m glad I watched. The YouTube page had links to some of Fr. Corapi’s videos. I didn’t know he was on YouTube. I’ll have to check those out. Now there are videos worth watching.
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Eden
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Sorry. I watched the video and I am underwhelmed.
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Mannyfit75
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The reasoning behind infant baptism is because it was practiced by the Apostles and the early Christians.
Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, “Repent and be baptized…” Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.
Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God’s covenant family includes children. The word “children” that Peter used comes from the Greek word “teknon” which also includes infants.
Luke 1:59 - this proves that “teknon” includes infants. Here, John as a “teknon” (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.
Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.
Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word “household” comes from the Greek word “oikos” which is a household that includes infants and children.
Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia’s faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents’ faith, not the children’s faith.
Acts 16:30-33 - it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church’s practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a “believer’s baptism” requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33. The earlier one comes to baptism, the better. For those who come to baptism as adults, the Church has always required them to profess their belief in Christ. For babies who come to baptism, the Church has always required the parents to profess the belief in Christ on behalf of the baby. But there is nothing in the Scriptures about a requirement for ALL baptism candidates to profess their own belief in Christ (because the Church has baptized babies for 2,000 years).
Acts 16:33 - Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason. See also Luke 19:9; John 4:53; Acts 11:14; 1 Cor. 1:16; and 1 Tim. 3:12; Gen. 31:41; 36:6; 41:51; Joshua 24:15; 2 Sam. 7:11, 1 Chron. 10:6 which shows “oikos” generally includes children.
Rom. 5:12 - sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies’ souls are affected by Adam’s sin and need baptism just like adult souls.
Rom. 5:15 - the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God’s Covenant kingdom.
1 Cor. 1:16 - Paul baptized the household (“oikos”) of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults.
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Randy_Carson
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Nice work, Eden. That should put an end to the “but you haven’t watched it” argument.
Now comes the “but you didn’t really understand it…not really…you watched it with a bad attitude” argument.
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