SPLIT: Genuflecting before Eucharist idolatry

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If the Eucharist is exposed in a monstrance, many Catholics genuflect on both knees.

However, this type of action is detested by God as He wrote in the 1st and 2nd commandments… :eek:

ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’

TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’
The Eucharist is Jesus. We do not bow before bread and wine. We bow only before the true Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament.

Which is completely scriptural, “every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.”

Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53)
 
However, this type of action is detested by God as He wrote in the 1st and 2nd commandments.

ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’
What gods do Catholics have before the Lord God Almighty? The Eucharist is the true, real, and substantial presence of our Lord Jesus Christ: “This is my body” and “This is … my blood” is what He said over the bread and wine at the Last Supper, and the Church has believed those words to be true and effectual since the first century. The Eucharist is no idol, it is not some other god, it is Jesus present in His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’
So then, why did the Lord God command Moses to have made two cherubim of gold for the top of the ark of the covenant? And why did He command Solomon to build such enormous statues for the Temple?

Because the commandment is about not serving such graven images and idols. And Catholics do not serve or worship images or idols.
 
‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’
Here is a section of God’s command to Moses when giving instruction to build the Ark of the Covenenant:

Exodus 25:18-20 "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat. 19 Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat. 20 And [l](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/#ref=1 Ki 8:7,hi=1 Ki 8:7)the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and they shall face one another; the faces of the cherubim shall be toward the mercy seat. "
 
During my Southern Baptist days, I used to have the mistaken belief that Catholic were idolaters, who bowed and kneeled before graven images. I used the exact same rational as area52 is using.

Almost 30 years ago I met my future wife and I started to see and learn just what the truth is and what the CC taught. I also learned what falsehoods I had been taught by the SB community in Sunday school and from the pastors. During my conversion, it was exactly this issue that was the last of the falsehoods I had to overcome. The Priest, my wife and the RCIA team all tried to explain it to me. It was really to no avail, for some reason this last falsehood was deeply rooted in me. It took months to get through this, I read over and over Sacred Scripture,

Exodus 20:1-5; *1 Then God delivered all these commandments: 2 "I, the LORD, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.3 You shall not have other gods besides me. 4 You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; 5 you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers’ wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; *

No amount of explanation or reason from those around me could adequately explain it to me. I prayed and prayed on it and it was the Holy Spirit that led me to the truth. Can you believe it, the Holy Spirit Himself, what a blessing to have had this grace from God to come and personally touch me. The truth that I came to know is that God did not want us to *“carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth” *such as a bird, a calf, or a fish, carved out of stone or wood and ascribe a divine nature to that physical piece of stone or wood, and then to worship that physical piece of stone or wood as a god. Again I say and I know it to be true that it was the grace of God and the Holy Spirit that led me to this conclusion. From that point on ( 26 years now) it was full steam ahead to becoming a Catholic.

This brings me back to the main topic.

How sad that there are many of our brothers and sisters in Christ that are so blinded to the truth and even sadder, because of their lack of knowledge and faith regarding the most Holy Eucharist, they fail to see Christ physically present in their midst.

When I am in Church, I always have this keen awareness of Christ’s physical presence in the tabernacle, I am always drawn in that direction. It is a feeling and awareness I can’t get away from. As an extraordinary minister, I am humbled and awed at having the unworthy privilege to actually touch Christ Himself. What an honor that is bestowed on a sinner like myself. In receiving Holy Communion, what honor and privilege it is to receive Christ into me Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

How completely sad it is that there are many of our brothers and sisters in Christ that because of their mistaken beliefs in Sacred Scripture and Catholicism, they will never know the fullness of truth and touch Christ in a deeper way. We need to pray for these brothers and sisters.
 
What a beautiful testamony!
Thanks Zab, it’s amazing what a good Catholic girl can do for a lost soul. 😃 I cannot imagine being anything other than a Catholic, I love this beautiful faith.
 
I wanted to bring this back to the top because this is something that I think is very important. The most Holy Eucharist, the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ or Lord is the ultimate gift. I am a little curious as to why so many feel they need to mock and denigrate Catholics for their love of Christ. Catholic are faithfully following Christ’s commandments.

John 6:53-58
53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

Luke 22: 19-20
19 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”
20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Aside from anyone’s own personal fallible interpretations, and please no “it was just symbolic language”, please tell me how loving Christ so much, that we are so wrong. What is it that we Catholics believe regarding the most Holy Eucharist that is leading us away from Christ? Please tell me.
 
During my Southern Baptist days, I used to have the mistaken belief that Catholic were idolaters, who bowed and kneeled before graven images. I used the exact same rational as area52 is using.

Almost 30 years ago I met my future wife and I started to see and learn just what the truth is and what the CC taught. I also learned what falsehoods I had been taught by the SB community in Sunday school and from the pastors. During my conversion, it was exactly this issue that was the last of the falsehoods I had to overcome. The Priest, my wife and the RCIA team all tried to explain it to me. It was really to no avail, for some reason this last falsehood was deeply rooted in me. It took months to get through this, I read over and over Sacred Scripture,

Exodus 20:1-5; *1 Then God delivered all these commandments: 2 "I, the LORD, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.3 You shall not have other gods besides me. 4 You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; 5 you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers’ wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; *

No amount of explanation or reason from those around me could adequately explain it to me. I prayed and prayed on it and it was the Holy Spirit that led me to the truth. Can you believe it, the Holy Spirit Himself, what a blessing to have had this grace from God to come and personally touch me. The truth that I came to know is that God did not want us to *“carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth” *such as a bird, a calf, or a fish, carved out of stone or wood and ascribe a divine nature to that physical piece of stone or wood, and then to worship that physical piece of stone or wood as a god. Again I say and I know it to be true that it was the grace of God and the Holy Spirit that led me to this conclusion. From that point on ( 26 years now) it was full steam ahead to becoming a Catholic.

This brings me back to the main topic.

How sad that there are many of our brothers and sisters in Christ that are so blinded to the truth and even sadder, because of their lack of knowledge and faith regarding the most Holy Eucharist, they fail to see Christ physically present in their midst.

When I am in Church, I always have this keen awareness of Christ’s physical presence in the tabernacle, I am always drawn in that direction. It is a feeling and awareness I can’t get away from. As an extraordinary minister, I am humbled and awed at having the unworthy privilege to actually touch Christ Himself. What an honor that is bestowed on a sinner like myself. In receiving Holy Communion, what honor and privilege it is to receive Christ into me Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.

How completely sad it is that there are many of our brothers and sisters in Christ that because of their mistaken beliefs in Sacred Scripture and Catholicism, they will never know the fullness of truth and touch Christ in a deeper way. We need to pray for these brothers and sisters.

Well Put & correct. Glad you found your way home.
Yours in Christ
 
Thanks imkingdad,

I can only assume by the deafening silence, that the accusations made by area52 in the OP is really a non issue. Praise the Lord. Peace.
 
The Eucharist is Jesus. We do not bow before bread and wine. We bow only before the true Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Sacrament.

Which is completely scriptural, “every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.”

Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” (John 6:53)
If it is idolatry for Catholics, then it is for me, as well, as I worship and adore Christ’s true and substantial body and blood in the Eucharist, too.

Jon
 
If it is idolatry for Catholics, then it is for me, as well, as I worship and adore Christ’s true and substantial body and blood in the Eucharist, too.

Jon
Hi Jon, I think that it is just a small minority of Protestant religions that feel as area52 does. I think it is more to the point of just being anti-Catholic rather than rather than wanting to understand.
 
Hi Jon, I think that it is just a small minority of Protestant religions that feel as area52 does. I think it is more to the point of just being anti-Catholic rather than rather than wanting to understand.
True. It may also reflect a belief that the body and blood are only symbolically represented, and therefor the bread and wine remain simply bread and wine, and not necessarily just anti-Catholic. Trying to give the benefit of the doubt. 🙂

Jon
 
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