SPLIT: Homemade bread for the Eucharist

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I’m wondering if the homemade bread for the Eucharist is correct for the Eucharist. I thought it was to be only flour and water. I once belonged to a parish that had something homemade that was really like coffee cake for the Eucharist on Holy Thursday. At the time I thought it was not correct, thought about it for months. [edited] I changed parishes.
 
I suppose it’s possibly okay, but it sounds like something that if it is going to be done then you need to be extra cautious about following all of the rubrics.
 
Thank you for the recipes. They seem to have the correct ingredients.
 
In the denomination I’m part of , we use homemade bread as opposed to the hosts at other churches. It is made specially, unleavened with a cross design on it and without sugar or salt. This is still considered a valid ‘vessel’ so to speak for the body of Christ. Bread seen here :



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PeterCampbell said:
In the denomination I’m part of , we use homemade bread as opposed to the hosts at other churches. It is made specially, unleavened with a cross design on it and without sugar or salt. This is still considered a valid ‘vessel’ so to speak for the body of Christ. Bread seen here :

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How do you mean, ‘the denomination’; you are part of.? Is that a mistype for ‘parish’?
 
The main issue with valid bread recipes is that most thicker breads tend to produce crumbs, which remain consecrated as long as they are identifiable as bread. People receiving the Body of Christ in the hand would need to be especially careful to consume any crumbs and not let them fall on the floor. Flat hosts are less problematic in this respect.
 
Redemptionis Sacramentum
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III

**1. The Matter of the Most Holy Eucharist

[48.] The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no danger of decomposition.[123] It follows therefore that bread made from another substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different from wheat to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat bread, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the Eucharistic Sacrament.[124] It is a grave abuse to introduce other substances, such as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist. Hosts should obviously be made by those who are not only distinguished by their integrity, but also skilled in making them and furnished with suitable tools.[125]

[49.] By reason of the sign, it is appropriate that at least some parts of the Eucharistic Bread coming from the fraction should be distributed to at least some of the faithful in Communion. “Small hosts are, however, in no way ruled out when the number of those receiving Holy Communion or other pastoral needs require it”,[126] and indeed small hosts requiring no further fraction ought customarily to be used for the most part.

[50.] The wine that is used in the most sacred celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice must be natural, from the fruit of the grape, pure and incorrupt, not mixed with other substances.[127] During the celebration itself, a small quantity of water is to be mixed with it. Great care should be taken so that the wine intended for the celebration of the Eucharist is well conserved and has not soured.[128] It is altogether forbidden to use wine of doubtful authenticity or provenance, for the Church requires certainty regarding the conditions necessary for the validity of the sacraments. Nor are other drinks of any kind to be admitted for any reason, as they do not constitute valid matter.**

In my own Archdiocese as well as other Dioceses I seen and heard of abuses of (“Homemade unleavened wheat bread”) used in parishes that didn’t turn out well from cubed shaped to heart shaped. Both extremely crumbly. When the Archbishop got wind of it, it was immediately put to a stop. To stop liturgical abuse and disrespect only one person or group of persons is formerly appointed and qulified. Usually religious Nuns or Brothers are requested for this special task.

In my Archdiocese Catholic Trappist Monks comprised of priests, brothers and a small gathering of Trappist Nuns bake and supply all the dioceses and parishes in my province.
Not just anybody can make thin unleavened wheat round wafers suitable for Mass…
 
Not that my Parish does this, but…in the document from the Vatican it says purely wheat and in the recipes submitted in this thread, not of the Vatican it is mixed with wheat and white flour, is that alright?
 
allhers said:
Not that my Parish does this, but…in the document from the Vatican it says purely wheat and in the recipes submitted in this thread, not of the Vatican it is mixed with wheat and white flour, is that alright?
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When RS uses the word ‘wheat’ it means that whatever flour is used must be derived from wheat as opposed to rye or barley or other types of grain.

Sounds like your recipe calls for two types of flour, both wheaten flour, but one is bleached white and the other not (possibly with the bran or meal of the wheat still left in - which is fine). Which would not be a problem.
 
centurionguard said:
In my Archdiocese Catholic Trappist Monks comprised of priests, brothers and a small gathering of Trappist Nuns bake and supply all the dioceses and parishes in my province.
Not just anybody can make thin unleavened wheat round wafers suitable for Mass…
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So all the altar breads used in NB are made in Rogersville? I didn’t know that.
 
paperwight66 said:
How do you mean, ‘the denomination’; you are part of.? Is that a mistype for ‘parish’?
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Ooops, not so much a mistype as a mis-think!

I’m part of the neocatechumenal way and in our eucharist celebrations we use the bread as I’ve mentioned!
 
Peter im not sure why you described the NCW as a denomination since that is not at all what it is.

Now yes it can be done, centurionguard posted the guidelines, but there are a number of reasons as to why usually it is not, among them the difficulty of the crumbs. In the NCW people are instructed upon first coming that they need to consume every crumb they see and not ‘brush it off.’ This also required a minister/acolyte/priest to have careful eyes to be sure none is dropped, or left on the altar and to be cleaned in the appropriate manner.
 
PeterCampbell said:
Ooops, not so much a mistype as a mis-think!

I’m part of the neocatechumenal way and in our eucharist celebrations we use the bread as I’ve mentioned!
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A rather serious mis-think. Maybe ask yourself why that would even begin to cross your mind. Just a thought, and with all charity, something seems a little off.

Edited to add: I do not mean to start a debate about the NeoCats, but I would remind you that you are required to attend one Sunday mass a month with the regular parish community. Just guessing, based in your mis-think, you might not be doing so.
 
tafan said:
A rather serious mis-think. Maybe ask yourself why that would even begin to cross your mind. Just a thought, and with all charity, something seems a little off.

Edited to add: I do not mean to start a debate about the NeoCats, but I would remind you that you are required to attend one Sunday mass a month with the regular parish community. Just guessing, based in your mis-think, you might not be doing so.
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If you don’t want to start a debate, why make an assumption regarding the way in which I live!

And it was simply a mistake thanks!
 
Itari said:
Peter im not sure why you described the NCW as a denomination since that is not at all what it is.

Now yes it can be done, centurionguard posted the guidelines, but there are a number of reasons as to why usually it is not, among them the difficulty of the crumbs. In the NCW people are instructed upon first coming that they need to consume every crumb they see and not ‘brush it off.’ This also required a minister/acolyte/priest to have careful eyes to be sure none is dropped, or left on the altar and to be cleaned in the appropriate manner.
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I can’t stress enough that this was A MISTAKE! I think I read a post previously regarding different denominations and got confused!
I am well aware where the NCW stands and do not see it as a separate church neither as a lesser way of living as a Catholic!
 
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