Split: If you are addicted, is it a sin?

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CopticChristian said:
Christmastwin,

As you said you are a novice. You haven’t been to as many meetings as I have and heard that the group conscience can be your higher power. That is OK. You said you are a novice…

I read it online, witnessed it in person, and have heard others say that their higher power is the group conscience…LOL:)

everything2.com/title/Second+Tradition

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I am not a novice when it comes to AA. I have over 20 years of experience in AA.
 
With all due respect, you are quoting from ANTI-AA websites. Of course there spin will be against the 12 steps.

There are just as many pro AA sites as their are anti.
 
Christmastwin said:
The group conscience is simply a vote amongst the members of an AA group. That is all. If I suggested changing the meeting time from 7:00 to 7:30, it would have to be voted on by the AA group.

Do you see? You are making something much more than it really is.
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The group conscience meeting is usually heard after the main meeting. Has you have said its to decide on the example you gave above. Also for things like who’s going to be the group secretary,washer-up, tea maker and so forth 🙂
 
acacia12 said:
The group conscience meeting is usually heard after the main meeting. Has you have said its to decide on the example you gave above. Also for things like who’s going to be the group secretary,washer-up, tea maker and so forth 🙂
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nar-anon.org/Nar-Anon/Conference_2010_files/Group%20Conscience%20and%20Business%20Meetings%2010-01-24.pdf
A group conscience is the collective viewpoint on matters affecting the group. Arriving at a group conscience requires informative discussion by its members using the Guides to Local and World Services and adhering to the Steps,Traditions and Concepts of Nar-Anon in order to reach a decision. As members of a spiritual program, we invite ourHigher Power to guide us throughout this process. When we treat each member with respect and learn by listening to one another, we can achieve unity.
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Now we have the fullness of group concsience and for some this is the higher power when they balk at religion or God…

Thank you for filling in the gaps…it not either or but both and…👍
 
Christmastwin said:
No, not this particular one. My apologies.
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Christmas,

You may be surprised to know that I spend time on anti-Catholic sites, read anti-Catholic books in order to understand what they think and believe.

The AA and Anti-AA should be read by all to understand the controversy.

I pray you spend 20 years learning the Catechism and the Book of Romans so that you can spout what it is you believe and what this letter teaches as well as you do with AA.
 
CopticChristian said:
Christmas,

You may be surprised to know that I spend time on anti-Catholic sites, read anti-Catholic books in order to understand what they think and believe.

The AA and Anti-AA should be read by all to understand the controversy.

I pray you spend 20 years learning the Catechism and the Book of Romans so that you can spout what it is you believe and what this letter teaches as well as you do with AA.
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I have a priest who directs me, but thanks for the prayers.
 
Christmastwin said:
I just wanted to share a great article on the subject. Looks like a friend of St. Augustine’s struggled. :rolleyes:

catholiceducation.org/articles/civilization/cc0375.htm
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Christmas,

That was noble of you to put that up. It suggests agreement with my proposal of the definition of the word addict as slave, the notion that there is lack of personal responsibility that as I have mentioned the disease model tends towards, making choices sometimes good, sometimes bad…we are all in the same boat…and Paul points that out…
21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
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Paul also says this…
1Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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We need to form our conscience and the Catechism teaches that. We need to through human effort strengthen our virtues to have the strength we need to be able through choosing this or that choose wisely continually “metanioa”…repent/change our mind so that as God left us in our own counsel we can ascend to the Will of God…by surrender…by no means but by allowing the dignity He gave us to use Reason and Faith, because He is a good Father…and we are not slaves…see what love the Father has that he calls us to be children of God and so we are…🙂
 
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