So what I’m reading is in order to have a valid sacrament that there must be three items: 1) A validly ordained member of the clergy, 2) Wine (color or varietal doesn’t matter?) 3) Unleavened bread.
I would imagine that church attendance would increase significantly.
No, that is not true. If one rejects God, He also will reject you. No, your assumption is wrong.
Christ is OMNIPRESENT/OMNIPRENENCE meaning he is present everywhere or everywhere present. I don’t see anywhere where it says you MUST use wine. Jesus used wine/w alcohol back then because water was not safe to drink becasue of bacteria and the alcohol would kill bacteria. Sure Christ can be present more in one place than another. Jesus was more present where he was then where he was not but the point is he is present everywhere. The wine v. grape juice personally I don’t think or believe that it really matters to Christ what we use as long as we are remembering the reason behind it and that is he shed his blood for us, for our sins, to remember the sacrafice he made for us. to me that is more important then should we use wine or grape juice. Both come from grapes.
I beg to differ. Its us that rejects God, God don’t reject us. He is always willing to accept us no matter what we have done or said. Remember the story about Saul? Did God/Jesus reject him because of what he has done to Christians? No. So like I said it us that reject him not him rejecting us.
the problem here is that you want to believe whatever about God, then expect God to conform with your belief. it is not so. God is the One who gives us what to believe.
I have heard the expression, “God hates the sin, but loves the sinner.” Though it is not a biblical statement per se it is widely accepted…
Catholic and Presbyterian understanding is different.
What is best for us our Lord has already determined. He found a Church so that all be tought by her. those who dont believe in the Church cannot be pleasing to God.
and did not just take a mans word for what you offer or how would you know which claim to be the True Church is correct? There are many who will seek you to follow men and not G-d.
So God is everywhere correct?
It is obviously that He would guide him into His Church, what would be the point of Him finding His Church, the Pillar and Bullwark of the Truth, if not to guide His people, His chosen ones? just like He did in the beginning when He chose one people to form one nation. when He said, “and thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.” and He said, the Holy Spirit will guide you into all Truth. do you see the Church is protected by the HS, no one else is. Mind you that he never said that each invidual can decide for themselves what is Truth. the Church is the One to guide His people into the Truth. it is reather desigeneous to think that because the Bible came into existence that the people is to abandon the Church and use the Bible is their guidance instead of the Church Jesus Himself found to guide His people.
that is exactly what i am talking about. you keep saying: i dont think that God is this or that. the reason you are not sure is because you are not in the Truth. if you read the Bible, you will find written about the Church and what we are supposed to do. we are to be guided by the Church in all things. if your congregation is not 2000 yrs old, then your congregation is not the one commanded by Christ to go into the world and teach all man, batizing them in the name of the Father the Son and the HS. you cant even know or understand what heresy is. you are alone cannot decide what is true and what is not.
Br what is your point in regards to what i posted. First you seem to want to argue me encouraging our Brethren to pray for guidance to Our Father now you say people have a right to seek His guidance.
Keep in mind that that is the OT not the NT. In Mark 2 verses 13-17 is the story of when Jesus eats with sinners. Now here Jesus calls a sinner Levi or Matthew to be one of his disciples. To me this don’t sound like God hates the sinner, if God hates sinners then why would He want someone who he hates to be one of his Sons disciples? Its the sin that God don’t like not the sinner. Then Jesus goes on to eat at Levi’s house with other tax collectors and sinners. Once again this don’t sound like God hates the sinner. If he hated the sinner he would not allow his Son to go to a sinners house and dine with them. Now even the Pharisees objected to him eating with sinners by saying to his disciples, “Why does he eat with such scum?” Now what was Jesus’ reply to this? “Healthy people don’t need a doctor–sick people do. I have come to call sinners, not those who think they are already good enough.” If God hated the sinner why would he have his Son save the sinner.
The commandment He gave at the Last Supper to “do this” in His memory only applies to those who were in communion with Him at that time, and those who would be in communion with HIm through their Word. Those who seek to obey His commandments out of Love for Him (they are not burdensom) do not look for ways to avoid doing exactly what He commanded by substituting ideas they think are as good, or better.
The pattern of this is reminiscent of what the Serpent said in the Garden to Eve. “Did God really say…?”
Yes, but if you think it is not possible for Him to consecrate any matter He wished, you are wrong. He could have used goat’s milk if He wanted. He used the Passover meal, because He is the Lamb that was to be slain for the sins of the world. He fulfilled the Passover in His own flesh. The Passover calls for wine, and the Apostles understood this, and followed this.
You can worship God in the way you see most fit. This is what religious freedom is all about.
Look I’m not going to sit here and argue with you on this. Now I do commend you on your strong faith but the Church is Christ and he can guide anyone he wants to guide. Now it seems to me you want to start some kind of back and forth arguement on this, so if thats what you want then find someone else because God didn’t only give the CC to spread his good news, to spread his word, he gave it to others as well, he just gave it to us a little later on. Could be because he is not pleased with the way things have been done.