SPLIT: "Parish priest" or "pastor"?

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The Pope and cardinals can hear confessions anywhere. Bishops can hear confessions anywhere unless they’re in another bishop’s diocese and the resident bishop requests that the visiting bishop doesn’t hear confessions. Priests need faculties to hear confessions. These may be granted by their proper ordinary, e.g. diocesan bishop, major superior. The priest’s faculties will state where the priest can hear confessions. A priest’s faculties may permit him to hear confessions anywhere in the world. Each ordinary can regulate the sacrament so that even though a bishop may grant one of his priests the faculty to hear confessions anywhere if that priest is in another diocese the local ordinary can direct that he may not hear confessions. Some priest are granted faculties by the law to hear confessions in their jurisdiction, e.g. parish priests. In certain circumstances the law itself grants faculties to priests to hear confessions, even suspended or laicized priests, e.g. if the penitent is in danger of death.

When you say “parish priest” I believe you mean pastor. A priest may be assigned to a parish and not be its pastor. A priest may be assigned as the parish administrator but not its pastor.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

When you say “parish priest” I believe you mean pastor. A priest may be assigned to a parish and not be its pastor. A priest may be assigned as the parish administrator but not its pastor.

Pastor is an American term. If you look at the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland’s translation of the Code of Canon Law 1983 the term “parish priest” is used wherever Americans would say “pastor”. The term pastor is not used here. I am British, so I speak and write English using British idioms just as Americans use American idioms. I wrote ‘parish priest’ and meant ‘parish priest’: the priest assigned to be the one in charge of a parish.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Pastor is an American term. If you look at the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland’s translation of the Code of Canon Law 1983 the term “parish priest” is used wherever Americans would say “pastor”. The term pastor is not used here. I am British, so I speak and write English using British idioms just as Americans use American idioms. I wrote ‘parish priest’ and meant ‘parish priest’: the priest assigned to be the one in charge of a parish.

No need to get prickly.

On an international forum you need to use precise language.

I stand by my correction for the reason you state.

I suggest you look at Canon 515.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

No need to get prickly.

There’s was no need to pull me up about a perfectly valid term. I use the term “parish priest” regularly on this board and no one but you has attempted to correct its use.

On an international forum you need to use precise language.

If you believe that precision is of such great importance then why have you made such a vague statement. I do hope that you’re not suggesting that I use American vocabulary.

I suggest you look at Canon 515.

A very selective use of canon law. Please suggest how it would have been possible, in English, to avoid the use of the term “pastor” in that canon.

I stand by my correction …

I, too, stand by what I said. We do not use the term “pastor” in the UK. The word ‘pastor’ is usually associated with the ministers of Protestant ecclesial communities. I will continue to speak and write English, well, the English way.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

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parroquia or parish priest is also the designation in Mexico, I understand, but the poster was helping users here in the US understand, but it is a distinction without a difference. A diocesan priest has faculties throughout the diocese, but the pastor, parochial vicar, or parish priest, or priest administrator has jurisdiction over the care of all souls within his parish.

there is an explanation that popped up in the FAQs on the homepage this week about priestly faculties. They are most generous with regard to baptism, confession and anointing the sick, and most restricted with regard to marriage.

I made the comment because there is a distinction between the priest who runs the parish (the pastor in the US) and a priest who just serves at the parish. The pastor has certain things only he can do, such as dispense from some rules, that the others (including a parish administrator) do not have.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

aaa

 

[fall_fox]

Pastor is an American term. If you look at the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland’s translation of the Code of Canon Law 1983 the term “parish priest” is used wherever Americans would say “pastor”. The term pastor is not used here. I am British, so I speak and write English using British idioms just as Americans use American idioms. I wrote ‘parish priest’ and meant ‘parish priest’: the priest assigned to be the one in charge of a parish.

fall fox

Matthew don’t you know that everyone is to speak American when talking to an American? I served in Viet Nam then in Korea, when talking to a native of those countries, if they don’t understand, we Americans will talk slower but louder so they will surely understand now.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

fall fox

Matthew don’t you know that everyone is to speak American when talking to an American? I served in Viet Nam then in Korea, when talking to a native of those countries, if they don’t understand, we Americans will talk slower but louder so they will surely understand now.

It would seem I need to type more slowly, and SHOUT in words of one syllable for some guys.

 

[jimrob]

Pastor is Latin for shepherd. In Western Catholicism, we use the word to describe the role of a bishop. That’s why one of his symbols of office is a stylised shepherd’s staff. A Parish Priest would not normally be referred to as a pastor.

In the independent Protestant churches, their is no hierarchy and the local minister assumes the title of pastor.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

Pastor is Latin for shepherd. In Western Catholicism, we use the word to describe the role of a bishop. That’s why one of his symbols of office is a stylised shepherd’s staff. A Parish Priest would not normally be referred to as a pastor.

In the independent Protestant churches, their is no hierarchy and the local minister assumes the title of pastor.

 

[Bookcat]

Pastor is Latin for shepherd. In Western Catholicism, we use the word to describe the role of a bishop. That’s why one of his symbols of office is a stylised shepherd’s staff. A Parish Priest would not normally be referred to as a pastor.

The Priest who is given the roll of Shepherd of the local parish is called “Pastor”.

(See CIC 515 (even calls him the shepherd there) …et al )

 

[Bookcat]

I would add though that I recall that at some point I think the term “Parish Priest” was use to mean the Pastor. So it seems such usage is retained in Britain…

 

[Matthew_Holford]

So it seems such usage is retained in Britain…

Parish priest is the term we use. We do not call the parish priest pastor. Pastor is associated with Protestant ministers here.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

fall fox

Matthew don’t you know that everyone is to speak American when talking to an American? I served in Viet Nam then in Korea, when talking to a native of those countries, if they don’t understand, we Americans will talk slower but louder so they will surely understand now.

Actually many people do this regardless of nationality though nice attack against Americans.

I was in Mexico and I do not speak much Spanish. When some of the people would talk to me, if I did not understand they would try again slower and louder.

 

[Chatter163]

The Code of Canon Law, which is in Latin, uses the term* parochius*. The Canon Law Society of America translates this as pastor, and the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland translates it as parish priest. Both mean the same.

 

[fall_fox]

Actually many people do this regardless of nationality though nice attack against Americans.

I was in Mexico and I do not speak much Spanish. When some of the people would talk to me, if I did not understand they would try again slower and louder.

fall fox

It wasn’t an attack, I’m from Indy, I took a little liberty especially since I spent five years in the service to this incredible country. It is embarrassing when you hear our guys doing that, it makes them look ignorant.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The Code of Canon Law, which is in Latin, uses the term* parochius*. The Canon Law Society of America translates this as pastor, and the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland translates it as parish priest. Both mean the same.

So Canon 515 in the Great Britain code says parish priest twice?

While they may be the same thing between the two groups translations, Americans will not necessarily think that a parish priest is the same as a pastor as a parish may have any number of priests at a parish with only one of them being the pastor.

 

[Chatter163]

So Canon 515 in the Great Britain code says parish priest twice?

While they may be the same thing between the two groups translations, Americans will not necessarily think that a parish priest is the same as a pastor as a parish may have any number of priests at a parish with only one of them being the pastor.

Yes, yes. We have heard you say this several times now, and we are all aware that many parishes have multiple priests, only one of whom is the pastor. We are crystal clear on that. Americans call the assistant priests the parochial vicars (previously associate pastors, and before that, assistant pastors), and the English traditionally called them curates. But one should not expect Englishmen to use American terminology, despite your numerous attempts to rationalize their doing so. We Americans are clear on this issue, so please let the English continue to use what is the appropriate terminology in their own country, thank you.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Yes, yes. We have heard you say this several times now, and we are all aware that many parishes have multiple priests, only one of whom is the pastor. We are crystal clear on that. Americans call the assistant priests the parochial vicars (previously associate pastors, and before that, assistant pastors), and the English traditionally called them curates. But one should not expect Englishmen to use American terminology, despite your numerous attempts to rationalize their doing so. We Americans are clear on this issue, so please let the English continue to use what is the appropriate terminology in their own country, thank you.

Getting a bit testy aren’t.

No where did I claim that you should use our terms. I am just trying to be clear that we use different terms and addressed that.

I am sorry that we us different terms than you do but I do not understand why you find it necessary to be disrespectful when I point out the fact that we do use different terms.

So I am sorry that you feel that we should know the terms you use and not point out to those who might not understand what the terms are that we use for them.

You did not answer what Canon 515 says though.

 

[fall_fox]

It would seem I need to type more slowly, and SHOUT in words of one syllable for some guys.

fall fox

GOOD ONE !