SPLIT: Resurrection Real or "Spiritual"

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Heaven is not just a state of being although it includes that as well. It also is a PLACE … and that place IS NOT just a state of being. There is a reason there is going to be a RESURRECTION!!! We are not just spiritual beings… We are body and soul. One day our BODIES will also be Resurrected and joined to our SOULS. Jesus and Mary already have Resurrected Bodies joined to their souls. All the other Saints await theirs 🙂
Sigh…the ressurection is not physical.

You aren’t about to walk around a perfect “earth” in harmony with carnivores. Heaven is a state of mind, that you will live in an existance that is beyond this life.

Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being.
 
Sigh…the ressurection is not physical.

You aren’t about to walk around a perfect “earth” in harmony with carnivores. Heaven is a state of mind, that you will live in an existance that is beyond this life.

Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being.
The Resurrection IS PHYSICAL. In the Catholic creed we pray "I believe in the Resurrection of the body … ". Just as Christ and Mary are resurrected in body and soul, we too will be as well if we remain in God’s grace.
 
The Resurrection IS PHYSICAL. In the Catholic creed we pray "I believe in the Resurrection of the body … ". Just as Christ and Mary are resurrected in body and soul, we too will be as well if we remain in God’s grace.
I know that a requirement to be a “true” catholic is to believe in a physical ressurection.

I know you believe your church to be true.I do not think it is correct for many reasons one being the modern understandings of history and theological debate using science.

So no, the ressurection was never “physical”. There is a belief amongst certain people it was and they do everything they can to maintain the consistancy. . Hisoritans, and theologians(yes catholic ones) do not agree.It is no longer consistant.

The spirit of christ was never physical…it was…spiritual.

It is difficult for people to see that their church may be wrong on concepts but may have the right “idea” after all.

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Dame
 
I know that a requirement to be a “true” catholic is to believe in a physical ressurection.

I know you believe your church to be true.I do not think it is correct for many reasons one being the modern understandings of history and theological debate using science.

So no, the ressurection was never “physical”. There is a belief amongst certain people it was and they do everything they can to maintain the consistancy. . Hisoritans, and theologians(yes catholic ones) do not agree.It is no longer consistant.

The spirit of christ was never physical…it was…spiritual.

It is difficult for people to see that their church may be wrong on concepts but may have the right “idea” after all.

Cheers
Dame
just one of many sources to refer to;

Regardless of the Christian denomination, all Christians believe in the ressurection and with solid research supporting those beliefs. This is one of those “historic events” that can not be credibly rejected.
“Voice of the Martyrs - The Early Martyrs Were Actual Witnesses to the Life of Jesus
Although Christian persecution continues in the 21st Century, the voice of the martyr in the 1st Century is still the most dramatic evidence that the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was not a man-made hoax conspired by a group of disciples. Since the apostles and many of the early disciples were eye-witnesses to the life of Jesus, their story was not just based on religious belief, but actual historical events. It’s one thing to die for a religious belief, such as an Islamic fundamentalist or a follower of David Koresh. It’s quite another to die for a known lie. Here is a list of eye-witness martyrs as compiled from numerous sources outside the Bible, the most-famous of which is Foxes’ Christian Martyrs of the World:

Stephen was preaching the gospel in Jerusalem on the Passover after Christ’s crucifixion. He was cast out of the city and stoned to death. About 2,000 Christians suffered martyrdom during this time (about 34 A.D.).

James, the son of Zebedee and the elder brother of John, was killed when Herod Agrippa arrived as governor of Judea. Many early disciples were martyred under Agrippa’s rule, including Timon and Parmenas (about 44 A.D.).

Philip, a disciple from Bethsaida, in Galilee, suffered martyrdom at Heliopolis, in Phrygia. He was scourged, thrown into prison, and afterwards crucified (about 54 A.D.).

Matthew, the tax-collector from Nazareth who wrote a gospel in Hebrew, was preaching in Ethiopia when he suffered martyrdom by the sword (about 60 A.D.).

James, the Brother of Jesus, administered the early church in Jerusalem and was the author of a book in the Bible. At the age of 94 he was beat and stoned, and finally had his brains bashed out with a fuller’s club.

Matthias was the apostle who filled the vacant place of Judas. He was stoned at Jerusalem and then beheaded.

Andrew, the brother of Peter, preached the gospel throughout Asia. On his arrival at Edessa, he was arrested and crucified on a cross, two ends of which were fixed transversely in the ground (thus the term, St. Andrew’s Cross).

Mark was converted to Christianity by Peter, and then transcribed Peter’s account of Jesus in his Gospel. Mark was dragged to pieces by the people of Alexandria in front of Serapis, their pagan idol.

Peter was condemned to death and crucified at Rome. Jerome holds that Peter was crucified upside down, at his own request, because he said he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner as his Lord.

Paul suffered in the first persecution under Nero. Because of the converting impact he was having on people in the face of martyrdom, he was led to a private place outside the city where he gave his neck to the sword.

Jude, the brother of James, was commonly called Thaddeus. He was crucified at Edessa in about 72 A.D.

Bartholomew translated the Gospel of Matthew in India. He was cruelly beaten and crucified by idolaters there.

Thomas, called Didymus, preached in Parthia and India. He was thrust through with a spear by pagan priests.

Luke was the author of the Gospel under his name. He traveled with Paul through various countries and was supposedly hanged on an olive tree by idolatrous priests in Greece.

Barnabas, of Cyprus, was killed without many known facts about 73 A.D. Simon, surnamed Zelotes, preached in Africa and Britain, where he was crucified in about 74 A.D.

John, the “beloved disciple,” was the brother of James. Although he suffered great persecution, including imprisonment where he wrote the book of Revelation, he was the only apostle who escaped a violent death.
Voice of the Martyrs - People May Die for a Belief, but Not for a Lie
Voice of the Martyrs – when life is at stake, multi-party conspiracies break down very quickly. Think about it!

allaboutfollowingjesus.org/voice-of-the-martyrs.htm
 
I know that a requirement to be a “true” catholic is to believe in a physical ressurection.
We don’t believe in the resurrection because we’re Christian, rather one of the main reasons we become Christians is because we’ve come to believe in the resurrection.
 
Sigh…the ressurection is not physical.

You aren’t about to walk around a perfect “earth” in harmony with carnivores. Heaven is a state of mind, that you will live in an existance that is beyond this life.

Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being.
Do you believe Jesus was crucified and died? if so… then where’s the body? The people who had him killed had an extreme interest in making sure that body stayed right where it was. The easiest way to stop the spread of what they believed was a heretical Jewish cult, (Christianity) would have been to take people to the body. So where is it?
 
Sigh…the ressurection is not physical.

You aren’t about to walk around a perfect “earth” in harmony with carnivores. Heaven is a state of mind, that you will live in an existance that is beyond this life.

Heaven is not a place, it is a state of being.
We can try to understand, to parse words… real, spiritual, physical…?

Spiritual is real! It’s as real as it gets.

Perhaps we should spend less time giving our opinions on things we cannot be sure of, and we should believe in Jesus and what He told us.

“that the Son of Man must be handed over to sinners, and be crucified, and on the third day rise again.” Lk 24:7

"and he said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day” Lk 24:46

“As they were coming down the mountain, he ordered them to tell no one about what they had seen, until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead.” Mk 9:9 (From today’s Scripture reading in the Holy Mass!)

"Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jn 20:27-28.

DO NOT DOUBT, BUT BELIEVE!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus.

Mark
 
Stating disbelief in Christian doctrine doesn’t alter anyone else’s opinion. We came into Christianity of every kind already used to other people’s opinions. I can’t imagine what people who argue by stating disagreement expect us to do. We’ve spent years thinking about it and searching the evidence within us and around us. If a member of another belief system would like to persuade us otherwise then s/he must present reasons to change one’s mind, not just the information that other opinions exist, which we know well enough.
 
I know that a requirement to be a “true” catholic is to believe in a physical ressurection.

I know you believe your church to be true.I do not think it is correct for many reasons one being the modern understandings of history and theological debate using science.

So no, the ressurection was never “physical”. There is a belief amongst certain people it was and they do everything they can to maintain the consistancy. . Hisoritans, and theologians(yes catholic ones) do not agree.It is no longer consistant.

The spirit of christ was never physical…it was…spiritual.

It is difficult for people to see that their church may be wrong on concepts but may have the right “idea” after all.

Cheers
Dame

Might people be taking “physical” in different senses ? Its ambiguity is for ever causing trouble in threads on the Eucharist. Maybe people could ask one another what they mean by the word. 🙂​

 
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